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DGB
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Re: any experience with any of the named Trichocereus clones? [Re: El Torcho]
#23899883 - 12/06/16 01:04 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Well it would come from a specific very reputable vendor/nursery, they gave me an estimate when it would be ready for cuttings again, the question is, is this actually the same 4.7% cut that Ogunbodede tested in his 14 taxa paper? He's tested and worked with quite a few cuttings how do we know this is that one and not some other random cut he had? As I've mentioned a bunch of people have cuts but everyone still seems to be in the propagation phase of ownership. I don’t know if anyone has actually tried and bioassay their cuts yet to confirm.
There's also "landfill" it has a little more info about it out there but the same problem as Ogunbodede, all the feedback on it is "I heard" "my friend said" "rumor says" "I'll eat some and report back. ~posted 2 years ago," I see it pop up on the internet all the time, people citing them as the best available but when pressed for more detail it always comes back to, "well I've never but my friend said" and I'm kind of wondering how much of that actually is a friend who tried verses everyone reading the same exact post and just parroting that every time the subject comes up. Like a meme bouncing around the echo chamber that is the cacti community. They may in fact be as potent as rumored but how much of the feedback was real verses not.
But then again, I did have to read though how many of trout's books and crawled how many internet forums just to get like 2 quotes about SS02 and that cut is everywhere, everyone seems to have one. So, I guess I really shouldn’t be too surprised there's minimal out there about Ogunbodede and landfill.
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Re: any experience with any of the named Trichocereus clones? [Re: DGB]
#23904292 - 12/07/16 04:59 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I don't think the sole supplier of Ogunbodede cuttings on the market would mislabel any of their clones. If you have confidence in their ID and in the researchers HPLC tests, then this clones is the highest alkaloid Trichocereus yet tested.
That being said, it would require only a very small amount ( <1g ) of a plant sample to verify. Quantity of alkaloid through weighed extraction, and a basic home TLC kit to verify the identity the specific alkaloid(s).
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Re: any experience with any of the named Trichocereus clones? [Re: ShroomeryReader] 1
#23904788 - 12/07/16 07:28 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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What i mean is less if the supplier is mislabeleing and more how do we know this Ogunbodede is the clone that was in the study? Because it's not like the supplier can say yes this is the 4.7 -5% clone from that paper. As mentioned Ogunbodede has done work with many other trichocereus cuttings how do we knew is not one of those?
Basicly the supplier just sells it under the name Ogunbodede, were did "this is the 4.7% cut" claim come from? Was there any form of direct confirmation or are we just filling in blanks and assumeing that's what this cut is?
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Re: any experience with any of the named Trichocereus clones? [Re: DGB]
#23904841 - 12/07/16 07:39 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Their description says something along the lines of 'the cut that tested highest in Ogunbodede study'.
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Re: any experience with any of the named Trichocereus clones? [Re: El Torcho]
#23904891 - 12/07/16 07:49 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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They acctally said that? Kinda surprised they would be so blatant or obvious about that. I would have exspected them to dance around the description a little more like they do with their other cuts....i assume we Are talking about the same largescale ethnobotanical cacti nursery right?
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Re: any experience with any of the named Trichocereus clones? [Re: DGB]
#23905101 - 12/07/16 08:44 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I only saw it in their rare collection catalog once and that was like 2 years ago. But yeah, it said something to that effect.
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Re: any experience with any of the named Trichocereus clones? [Re: El Torcho]
#23905108 - 12/07/16 08:49 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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There are so many other good clones out there that that time tracking this clone down is wasted. I have many good potent clones. I rarely partake but what the deal with trying to find this magical cut that is so potent? Maybe they are wrong. Maybe its just something to make money. People will say anything to make a quick buck.
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Re: any experience with any of the named Trichocereus clones? [Re: ferrel_human]
#23905220 - 12/07/16 09:29 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I trust this supplier. It's a full scale operation, of which trichos are only a tiny part of their collection. I'm sure they can keep cuttings straight. I mean I can, it's not too hard. They charge more for the rarer and more high demand cultivars. Simple economics.
Really all you gotta do is send them a check and tell them to put you on the list, and then wait. Hopefully I'll have a pup or two next fall to trade.
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Re: any experience with any of the named Trichocereus clones? [Re: ferrel_human]
#23905532 - 12/07/16 11:41 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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ferrel_human said: There are so many other good clones out there that that time tracking this clone down is wasted. I have many good potent clones. I rarely partake but what the deal with trying to find this magical cut that is so potent? Maybe they are wrong. Maybe its just something to make money. People will say anything to make a quick buck.
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Re: any experience with any of the named Trichocereus clones? [Re: El Torcho]
#23905607 - 12/08/16 12:28 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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El Torcho said: I trust this supplier. It's a full scale operation, of which trichos are only a tiny part of their collection. I'm sure they can keep cuttings straight. I mean I can, it's not too hard. They charge more for the rarer and more high demand cultivars. Simple economics.
Really all you gotta do is send them a check and tell them to put you on the list, and then wait. Hopefully I'll have a pup or two next fall to trade. 
They do wait lists? I thought it was first come first served kind of thing...just with 2 weeks shipping snail mail and waiting for a response.
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Re: any experience with any of the named Trichocereus clones? [Re: DGB]
#23905889 - 12/08/16 06:30 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I emailed them and asked. They estimated early next year.... I sent the check, they cashed it, now I wait....
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Re: any experience with any of the named Trichocereus clones? [Re: El Torcho]
#23905928 - 12/08/16 07:04 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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El Torcho said: I emailed them and asked. They estimated early next year.... I sent the check, they cashed it, now I wait....
Same here. Luckily, they had one left at the time. The cuts are very small, but the genetics are what you're after.
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Re: any experience with any of the named Trichocereus clones? [Re: ShroomeryReader]
#23905961 - 12/08/16 07:33 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I've heard that all bridgesii are potent. I know that isn't the case with pachanoi or peruvianus. But isn't it true that any healthy bridgesii will be strong? If so then why are named clones in so much demand?
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Re: any experience with any of the named Trichocereus clones? [Re: Grey Fox]
#23905968 - 12/08/16 07:37 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Because they are something else for label collectors to buy
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Re: any experience with any of the named Trichocereus clones? [Re: Grey Fox]
#23905996 - 12/08/16 07:50 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yes, Bridgesii are the most consistent. They are easier to identify and furthermore also contain other alkaloids that have additional interesting effects.
Some Bridgesii clones are said to be more desirable if they are believed / claimed to have higher concentrations or demonstrate strong growth traits, such as resistance to rot. However, clones that were once universally thought be the most superior (such as Eileen) have later been said (by long term Trichophiles) to seem no different than the average Bridgesii.
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Re: any experience with any of the named Trichocereus clones? [Re: ShroomeryReader]
#23906079 - 12/08/16 08:37 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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That is good to know. I'm fortunate enough to live in an area where bridgesii and peruvianus and non pc pach pop up from time to time in local nurseries. Sometimes even nice sized, healthy plants at reasonable prices. I've been focusing on trying to acquire healthy specimens from these local sources, especially bridgesii. They arent the super elite clones that people talk about. But i think that if i treat them really well they will reward me over time.
By the way I've seen a similar phenomenom with fig tree varieties. Almost a decade ago i got into collecting different varieties of fig trees (ficus carica). It seemed like every year there were one or two brand new varieties in trade that people would go crazy over and pay huge sums on ebay to acquire. The next year it would be something different. It just seemed like there were a handful of sellers getting pretty rich on all the hype.
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Re: any experience with any of the named Trichocereus clones? [Re: Grey Fox]
#23906261 - 12/08/16 10:18 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Eileen is the most problematic cacti I have. . .
I can see why it's named after a woman.... Doesn't take full sun, most problems with rotting cuts, always worried about cuts... she finicky. No idea of her potency though.
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Re: any experience with any of the named Trichocereus clones? [Re: El Torcho]
#23906581 - 12/08/16 11:47 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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most finicky for me is baker5452 they just kept rotting until I grafted them then they seemed to stabilize and are now kinda thriving.
Eileen I just ignore and shes just growing along hopefully she takes off next year.
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Re: any experience with any of the named Trichocereus clones? [Re: drakenov]
#23911763 - 12/09/16 10:59 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I've started my collection this year and I have quite a few names.. L.Jack, psycho0, validus, eileen.. The list goes on. I'm growing all these guys for the express purpose of extraction. Although I'm very New to the scene and just completed my first extraction with generic torch chips. 250G has yielded 1.65g of impure mescaline acetate. I will continue to use the d.limo tel for future extractions. I recently sourced 2 rs0004s from the oc kakster which I will dice and dry in the coming week. Il have wet, and dry weights, pictures and of course all the data of my yields from first pull to infinity until nothing is left to evaporate. I'm just waiting on my New Sep. Funnel..Stay tuned for more!!
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Re: any experience with any of the named Trichocereus clones? [Re: nolongrlurkin]
#23911802 - 12/09/16 11:18 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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nolongrlurkin said: I've started my collection this year and I have quite a few names.. L.Jack, psycho0, validus, eileen.. The list goes on. I'm growing all these guys for the express purpose of extraction. Although I'm very New to the scene and just completed my first extraction with generic torch chips. 250G has yielded 1.65g of impure mescaline acetate. I will continue to use the d.limo tel for future extractions. I recently sourced 2 rs0004s from the oc kakster which I will dice and dry in the coming week. Il have wet, and dry weights, pictures and of course all the data of my yields from first pull to infinity until nothing is left to evaporate. I'm just waiting on my New Sep. Funnel..Stay tuned for more!! 
Remember to document everything. It would be great to have numbers of dried weight to final exstration weight for multiple cuts. Even if that does very naturaly it would give a general idea, specialy if you have multiple results from the same clones to give a better average.
You should consider trying it on pc pach as well to set a baseline.
It would be great to have a little more information on potency of certain clones other then "it potent" or "its weak" i mean of course 1 or 2 exstraction results arnt definitive but as more mesurments are taken the better the adverage data becomes especialy if others start adding their results. Im still in my aquasition and propogation phase but hope to get to extracting sooner then later. Perhaps ill grab a rs0004s or two in the near future and try the same method you did and compair results. Altho i may plant and let them grow a little first to see uow my enviroment changes the contents. Well have too see.
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