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The DEA just cut opioid production by 25 percent for next year * 1
    #23708550 - 10/04/16 11:25 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

http://www.theverge.com/2016/10/4/13166594/dea-opioid-epidemic-manufacturer-2017-substance-abuse

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The Drug Enforcement Administration has reduced the amount of opioids that can be manufactured in the US next year. Production of all opioids, which are a class of pain medication, will be cut by at least 25 percent in 2017 due to less demand and growing concern around the abuse of these prescription painkillers.

The DEA regulates the total amount of a drug that can be produced each year. The 2017 change affects drugs including morphine, hydromorphone, oxycodone, hydrocodone, and fentanyl. Production of some drugs will be reduced by more than a quarter. The amount of hydrocodone, for example, will be cut by 34 percent.

One reason for the reduction is that the DEA allowed more production of opioids than usual from 2013 to 2016. In those three years, it added a 25 percent "buffer" to old opioid amounts to prevent shortages. Another reason is that the number of prescriptions being written for opioids has fallen, according to sales data from IMS Health.

And of course, one major factor is the growing problem of drug overdoses tied to opioids. These powerful drugs are often legally prescribed to people to help manage pain. Many become addicted and some later turn to heroin.

More people died from drug overdoses in 2014 than in any year on record, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. More than six out of 10 of these overdoses involved an opioid. Synthetic opioids like fentanyl — which the singer Prince overdosed on in April — are also killing a skyrocketing number of people. And more than 6.5 million Americans over 12 have used opioids for a non-medical use in the past month, according to the 2015 National Survey on Drug Use and Health. This makes opioids the second most popular drug after marijuana, and more popular than hallucinogens, heroin, and cocaine combined (at least in terms of how many people used it in the past month).

Policymakers have been trying to contain the problem. Back in March, the CDC released guidelines for doctors who prescribe opioids for chronic pain. These provide strategies for figuring out dosing, as well as assessing risk. Several states have passed measures that limit the use of opioid prescriptions. In March, Governor Charlie Baker of Massachusetts approved legislation that limits first-time opioid prescriptions to seven days’ worth of pills.

For its part, the DEA has been criticized for being too lax in regulating the drugs. Senator Richard Durbin of Illinois pointed out at a hearing in June that in 2014, the agency approved enough opioid pills to be manufactured "for every adult in America to have a one-month prescription." In response, DEA acting head Chuck Rosenberg acknowledged that "I think we’re part of the problem."

Such restrictions, however, can have unintended consequences. In 2011, Florida Governor Rick Scott started cracking down on pain-management clinics that were suspected of dispensing too many opioids. Prescription-drug overdoses dropped within the first year. But heroin deaths rose 39 percent, as people cut off from their legal pain medication turned to an illegal drug.

The official change, or Final Order, will be published in the Federal Register tomorrow. The DEA reserves the right to change a quota for reasons such as increased demand or new manufacturers entering the market.




What does this mean? Is the DEA trying to drive up the black market value?


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Re: The DEA just cut opioid production by 25 percent for next year [Re: Grey Fox]
    #23708576 - 10/04/16 11:38 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

It means something hasn't come to light just yet.


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Re: The DEA just cut opioid production by 25 percent for next year [Re: Grey Fox]
    #23708579 - 10/04/16 11:39 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I would argue yes, a sort of genocide if you will...weed out the criminals "those that choose illegal narcotics" over legit channels. A disturbing form of population control...after all America only wants to have the best citizens happy and free.


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Re: The DEA just cut opioid production by 25 percent for next year [Re: Grey Fox]
    #23708658 - 10/05/16 12:38 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

certainly a good way to clean house while raising the price of both Rx and black market supplies


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Re: The DEA just cut opioid production by 25 percent for next year [Re: demiu5] * 1
    #23708847 - 10/05/16 03:59 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Artificially limit opiate prduction, plus attempt to ban kratom.  You'd almost think they were trying to increase heroin use.

Normally I'd be ok with that, like "Yea black market, way to step in and take care of people."  I mean when the system is corrupt, it is good to see a thriving alternative.  Plus everyone forced out of the mainstream is another person on the side of freedom and personal choice.

However these days "heroin" is an extremely sketchy drug.  Even being careful and doing small test shots isn't going to save someone from a little clump of fentynal/analog that stuck together.  Then you need several doses of narcan instead of one.

I mean given the situation it seems like they either want people to suffer, or risk death with every dose.  But hey, on paper at least prescription opioid use will be down.  So I guess that is a win for anyone who values statistics over human life.


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Re: The DEA just cut opioid production by 25 percent for next year [Re: AllGreyThumbs]
    #23709028 - 10/05/16 06:41 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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AllGreyThumbs said:

However these days "heroin" is an extremely sketchy drug.  Even being careful and doing small test shots isn't going to save someone from a little clump of fentynal/analog that stuck together.  Then you need several doses of narcan instead of one.






This is supposed to be lethal doses of both drugs, fents crazy.



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Re: The DEA just cut opioid production by 25 percent for next year [Re: Lucis]
    #23709036 - 10/05/16 06:45 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Something tells me people who really need the opiates are going to be shorted.  If a junkie really needs their stuff their gonna get it.


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Re: The DEA just cut opioid production by 25 percent for next year [Re: Lucis]
    #23709044 - 10/05/16 06:49 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Yep, that is why so many people are dying. Seems to just keep getting worse too up here. Big epidemic pretty much Canada wide in most major cities.

:frown:


Is it like that in the USA?

I have no idea why they would cut opioid production, maybe to drive up price...maybe they have a large amount of heroin they want to get rid of. You never know with them..


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Re: The DEA just cut opioid production by 25 percent for next year [Re: sh4d0ws]
    #23709288 - 10/05/16 09:03 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Every year, DEA has to develop a "quota" for the volume of scheduled drugs they allow to be produced.

Since the number of opioids being prescribed has decreased, they've lowered the quota. This is likely because of the move of combination opioids to schedule 2, so they aren't being prescribed as much.

makes sense.


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Re: The DEA just cut opioid production by 25 percent for next year [Re: badchad]
    #23709292 - 10/05/16 09:06 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Do we ever hear the amount of pain killers the military stocks up on?  Th must have huge reserves!

I think it matters how many opium poppies they produce.  Lot's of painkillers are made from poppies yet.


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Re: The DEA just cut opioid production by 25 percent for next year [Re: Morel Guy] * 1
    #23709635 - 10/05/16 11:27 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Afghanistan's opium poppy production goes into more than 90% of heroin worldwide.[1] Afghanistan has been the world's greatest illicit opium producer, ahead of Burma (Myanmar), the "Golden Triangle", and Latin America since 1992, excluding the year 2001.[2]


USA govt is at "war" in Afghanistan?

Yeah....

They bring it all back here. Have th dea limit production while demand is HIGH is reduces supply. So now they make a shit load more.

We fucked with the DEA with pot now they are doubling down on a different plant & making more money than every before.


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Re: The DEA just cut opioid production by 25 percent for next year [Re: PumpJackTeX]
    #23709741 - 10/05/16 12:00 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

the people that bring in the afgan s*** toss fent in it they're litterally your local terrorist


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Re: The DEA just cut opioid production by 25 percent for next year [Re: Konyap]
    #23709832 - 10/05/16 12:36 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Back when I was a young'un we had to walk uphill both ways to school, but at least our "Acid" was safe since nothing else fit on paper, and you could actually use some heroin without playing Russian roulette.

I mean I'm someone who thinks it would be fun to ride out a hurricane Lutenant Dan style, but anymore even I'm not crazy enough to screw with smack.  You really have to be desperate or crazy to touch the stuff anymore, which is a real shame because opiate are F'ing great IMHO.


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Re: The DEA just cut opioid production by 25 percent for next year [Re: AllGreyThumbs]
    #23710198 - 10/05/16 02:48 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

And in related news opiate prices go up 25+%...


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Re: The DEA just cut opioid production by 25 percent for next year [Re: musiclover420]
    #23711294 - 10/05/16 08:10 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

(prepare for an unpopular opinion)

Finally I see the DEA actually doing what their job is meant to be.  Taking steps to cut back the legal production of opioids literally means that the supply already present (sans smuggling) and ready to be diverted to illegal use is going to be reduced.  They're actually taking steps toward curtailing the opioid epidemic, it seems.

It's possible that the DEA, just like any other organization with near complete autonomy (a skunkworks, if you will), exists in an infinitely regressing feedback loop of yes-man syndrome, also known as cranial rectosis.  This can actually lead to a truly unfortunate dichotomy, where positively motivated efforts guided by sheer ignorance result in catastrophic terrible results in real life.

Yes opioids will get more expensive.  The idea is to make it unattainable for the people who want a drug to get high with.  It's all part of the game plan.  I think it's a legit move, even if there are going to be some shitty problems for people who are habituated. 

Hopefully Kratom survives the wrath of the drug police.  I say that with all due sympathy for those whose lives without access to oxycontin look to be a bitter future, because Kratom takes care of the issues without providing as harsh of obstacles to overcome.

Or we can go the tin foil hat route, which I also think is a legitimate avenue of thought, and say they're limiting the domestic oxycontin production to force more oxycontin addicts to switch over to heroin, to make money for the CIA to pay for, I don't know, weapons to fuel a coup somewhere, probably in south america.  I mean, it's only looking that way IF history repeats itself.



Actually......in light of recent efforts by the DEA to prevent public access to Kratom, which would be the healthy and relatively less burdensome means to attain sobriety from the depths of a multi-year prescription opioid binge.  With Kratom out of the picture, and oxycodone supplies being reduced, the only logical choice an addict would have is to either A) Go to a government-run clinic, which has been demonstrated to be ineffective or for the treatment to last years and cost tons of money or B) switch over to government-imported heroin.  Economically speaking, option B is the cheaper AND more fun route.  I wonder how much of this the DEA thought through when they decided to do these 2 actions so close together in time to one another.


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Re: The DEA just cut opioid production by 25 percent for next year [Re: Achuma]
    #23711365 - 10/05/16 08:26 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

The way I see it no plant should be regulated other than adulterants.  If you want opium grow poppies and you will find weed much safer.  Kratom even more so for minor pain.  For major pain a doctor should be able to prescribe isolates or semi-synthetic alkaloids.  Some of the shit science has done has lost all morality. Making shit so powerful it has no purpose but to kill.


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Re: The DEA just cut opioid production by 25 percent for next year [Re: Lucis]
    #23712012 - 10/06/16 01:54 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Fennario said:
Quote:

AllGreyThumbs said:

However these days "heroin" is an extremely sketchy drug.  Even being careful and doing small test shots isn't going to save someone from a little clump of fentynal/analog that stuck together.  Then you need several doses of narcan instead of one.






This is supposed to be lethal doses of both drugs, fents crazy.






you realize that makes no sense at all right?

a lethal dose for who?

when taken by what ROA?


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Re: The DEA just cut opioid production by 25 percent for next year [Re: Grey Fox]
    #23712089 - 10/06/16 04:23 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

>>>>>What does this mean? Is the DEA trying to drive up the black market value?

The Veteran's Administration is killing off our vets. They come home with severe pain from their wounds and then kill themselves because of their suffering when they can't get the help and medicine they desperatly need.

Report: VA scandal may have killed more than 1,000 vets

76-Year-Old Veteran Kills Himself In VA Parking Lot After Being Denied Care

“In 2014, veterans accounted for 18% of all suicides in the United States, but made up only 8.5% of the population. In 2010, veterans accounted for 22% of U.S. suicides and 9.7% of the population.”


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Re: The DEA just cut opioid production by 25 percent for next year [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #23712483 - 10/06/16 08:57 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I'm sure Bush Jr. is in tears


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Re: The DEA just cut opioid production by 25 percent for next year [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23718374 - 10/08/16 02:53 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

The dea has no right to manipulate the opiate supply

What their dooing is telling doctors they can now not treat another % of their patients.

The Dea.goverment is not a doctor and has no right to tell doctors how to do their job.

Im a plumber mayabe I should preform brain surgery on the dea . . .

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