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DividedQuantum
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Being here now 3
#23708257 - 10/04/16 09:31 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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All one can really say is that I am here, it is now, and there is change. Can we ever be really sure of anything else?
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Other than the fact that we're both one day going to die, no, I don't think so.
-------------------- Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not. --Jac O'keeffe
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I suppose we are always here, but the mind is slow to catch up..
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Re: Being here now [Re: zZZz]
#23708568 - 10/04/16 11:36 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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There is only Turiya.
The world is an abode of pure jnana.
Turiya is a state beyond the coming and going of the body, and is directly experienced as such - fear of death or harm are gone and only common sense strays one away from them, instead.
The world is the psyche's present state, it is little else, except for obvious objects and obstructions.
Achieve Turiya and one exists endlessly in a world of magic. Literally. The world is made of God, God is a magical, sacred entity.
Our age has educated us out of belief in the sacred, divine or magical.
It's all still there . . .
By the way you are an eternal divinity inhabiting a present form.
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sudly
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As I've said plenty of times, "The trip is that you're always you."
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Edited by sudly (10/05/16 01:38 AM)
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Re: Being here now [Re: sudly]
#23708753 - 10/05/16 01:34 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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sudly said: I've said it plenty of times because it's true, "The trip is that you're always you."
do you feel this equally applies to those who exhibit clear and distinct multiple-personalities?
when 'you' is a combination of mental, physical, and a plethora of organisms within, how can it be accurately defined as a static 'object?'
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Re: Being here now [Re: demiu5]
#23708761 - 10/05/16 01:40 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yep, because the 'object' of a human being experiences both sensations and thoughts.
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Re: Being here now [Re: sudly]
#23708779 - 10/05/16 02:02 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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sudly said: Yep, because the 'object' of a human being experiences both sensations and thoughts.
so your logic follows as one brain, one body, one "you", regardless of the programs running or other biological activities occurring within it?
let's transfer this to an ant and a specimen of cordyceps. when the cordyceps intrudes the brain and takes over control, would that still be the ant acting, experiencing, sensing, or is it the fungus?
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Re: Being here now [Re: demiu5]
#23708781 - 10/05/16 02:05 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Not quite, I think humans are unique in experiencing both sensations and thoughts.
I think non-sentient organisms only experience sensations.
Following this logic the ant is acting on sensation provided by the infection of cordyceps.
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Re: Being here now [Re: sudly]
#23708788 - 10/05/16 02:16 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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back to humans, what about rabies? if a human is infected by the rabies virus, do you perceive that as the human acting on sensation provided by the rabies virus?
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Re: Being here now [Re: demiu5]
#23708811 - 10/05/16 02:52 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah, seeing as the rabies virus directly effects the brain it makes sense. By infecting the nervous system the virus can influence the sensations experienced by an organism.
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Re: Being here now [Re: sudly]
#23708816 - 10/05/16 02:59 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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so if the human 'programs' are no longer running, is it the human experiencing the sensations, the virus?
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Re: Being here now [Re: demiu5]
#23708817 - 10/05/16 03:06 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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That's where it gets fuzzy, I don't know what brain damage could result in. Different parts of the brain have different functions so it depends on where the brain is damaged.
If parts of the brain that govern sensation are damaged then the human may no longer experience sensation, that's not to say they can't experience thought though and Stephen Hawking is a good example of that.
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Re: Being here now [Re: sudly]
#23708835 - 10/05/16 03:45 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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is brain hijacking brain damage?
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Re: Being here now [Re: demiu5]
#23708837 - 10/05/16 03:48 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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In the case of rabies it is.
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DividedQuantum said: All one can really say is that I am here, it is now, and there is change. Can we ever be really sure of anything else?
I don't think it is about saying anything, this is about immediacy, contact, and the essence of consciousness. You don't need to be sure about it, being sure is extra.
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sudly
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redgreenvines said:
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DividedQuantum said: All one can really say is that I am here, it is now, and there is change. Can we ever be really sure of anything else?
I don't think it is about saying anything, this is about immediacy, contact, and the essence of consciousness. You don't need to be sure about it, being sure is extra.
I'm just putting my thoughts out there. The phrase 'essence of consciousness' does not sound correct to me.
Because I believe existence precedes essence it follows under my logic that consciousness is existence and essence is conscience/morality and the ability to determine good and bad.
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Re: Being here now [Re: sudly] 1
#23708945 - 10/05/16 05:41 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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being here now transcends your logic very simple
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Jokeshopbeard said: Other than the fact that we're both one day going to die, no, I don't think so.
Speak for yourself, there is no death, we're all eternal. I look forward to shedding my human skin, and becoming something greater.
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Re: Being here now [Re: Lucis] 2
#23709093 - 10/05/16 07:17 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Speak for yourself, there is no death, we're all eternal. I look forward to shedding my human skin, and becoming something greater.
I've been feeling this way so confidently at the peak of my recent trips, but the day after, when I'm completely back to baseline, I intuitively always return to "Deep down we all have no idea what's going on, and what happens after we die." What to make of this repetitive change of perspective? Exactly what DQ is alluding to... Just be here now, and act on whatever seems to be the case wherever and whenever you are. If that changes, then roll with it.
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once you shed your human skin - you won't be you. I think you should try to work with the skin you are in.
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Keep dreaming folks.
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Re: Being here now [Re: Lucis]
#23710725 - 10/05/16 05:59 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Fennario said:
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Jokeshopbeard said: Other than the fact that we're both one day going to die, no, I don't think so.
Speak for yourself, there is no death, we're all eternal. I look forward to shedding my human skin, and becoming something greater.
Oh I too look forward to the day I leave this plane of existence; it's the greatest adventure of them all. I suspect there to be something to follow from this, but there just as well could not be.
Either way, you can't argue with the fact that at some point your heart will stop beating and your brain will cease to function.
-------------------- Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not. --Jac O'keeffe
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Re: Being here now [Re: Lucis]
#23721055 - 10/09/16 12:06 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Fennario said:
Speak for yourself, there is no death, we're all eternal. I look forward to shedding my human skin, and becoming something greater.
Of course, every molecule in our bodies will live on, long after we die.
Just as the dinosaurs.
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My good friends,
you are eternal now . . . the body is superfluous.
The positions you hold philosophically are a reflection of what your consciousness state has allowed you to see.
Do what you want, without doubt, without fear.
The key is to remove doubt and fear,
without fighting them as to give validity.
The key is to remove doubt and fear,
without fighting them as to give validity.
The key is to remove doubt and fear,
without fighting them as to give validity.
Exactly what you are willing is happening. Exactly what you are willing is happening. Exactly what you are willing is happening.
On top of all that, you are literally a divinity, a branch of the tree of God, whom when He enters your consciousness puts you in his Heaven (our father who art in Heaven). You need to achieve at-one-ment (not giving into doubt and fear) with the father to see Paradise.
How do you fly? You are an angel. You fly by simply putting your best foot forward, throwing yourself into the abyss to find it is a feather bed. This is the secret.
You must simply land on the feather bed by discarding your notions and jumping.
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too much extra ideas in that post to be here now.
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DividedQuantum said: All one can really say is that I am here, it is now, and there is change. Can we ever be really sure of anything else?
That's right, and this is who you are in the now.... But if you were someone different, say yesterday or even tomorrow, that's still who you are, it's now....although it was before or maybe later, but it's you, in the then.
-------------------- Everything is better than it was the last time. I'm good. If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care. It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence. I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too. If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.
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DividedQuantum
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Well said.
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