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Re: Is the grey matter of all self-dentified conservatives some sort of guano composite? [Re: Tipote]
#23733226 - 10/13/16 06:23 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Imagine that. Discussing politics in the political discussion subforum. We literally cant even make it to step one because of how relentlessly ignorant some of these people are. 
Yep, some people are just too fuckng stupid to debate with... especially if they don't agree with you
The rest of these posts are just more dogshit dog piling,
I'm not ever gonna be dumb enough to believe that taxing corporations creates jobs
Or dumb enough to believe "free healthcare" is gonna be "free" or even some great cost saving expenditure, it's the same dogshit argument we heard about Oshitcare, "it's gonna lower our premiums $2500" idiotic people believed that just like they believe universal health care is gonna "save them money"
I'd rather have GOOD healthcare, even if evil insurance companies are making money off it
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Re: Is the grey matter of all self-dentified conservatives some sort of guano composite? [Re: Enlil] 3
#23733249 - 10/13/16 06:49 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Enlil said: It's true that HU is remarkably bad at logical discourse. It's also true that many of you on the "other side" get frustrated enough to dip into the mud of personal attacks. I know it's not the plan, but it has happened. He's done the same thing, of course.
I think we all need to accept that HU will never improve. That's just the reality. I tried to help him. I know others have. He's reached that point where he's happy with his level of (in)competence. We need to accept that, whatever that means to each of us individually, whether that be with the ignore feature, manually ignoring, or continuing to converse with him at whatever level he can handle.
You're right in every sense. HU probably has an IQ of about 70, which translates to a mental age of about 13, and this will not change.
Unfortunately you can't just ignore him because there are hordes of morons here who respond to his every post like Pavlov's dogs. So every single thread gets derailed.
I've never argued for this before, but I think there are clear grounds for banning HU for reasons of forum atmosphere. He's been here for a year and has made over 5,000 posts, and they're all depressingly stupid.
His presence has stunk up this place to the point where 90% of threads in this forum are just fucked, just the exact same conversations going around in circles so that the decent posters stop posting.
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Re: Is the grey matter of all self-dentified conservatives some sort of guano composite? [Re: viktor]
#23733253 - 10/13/16 06:52 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Enlil said: It's true that HU is remarkably bad at logical discourse. It's also true that many of you on the "other side" get frustrated enough to dip into the mud of personal attacks. I know it's not the plan, but it has happened. He's done the same thing, of course.
I think we all need to accept that HU will never improve. That's just the reality. I tried to help him. I know others have. He's reached that point where he's happy with his level of (in)competence. We need to accept that, whatever that means to each of us individually, whether that be with the ignore feature, manually ignoring, or continuing to converse with him at whatever level he can handle.
You're right in every sense. HU probably has an IQ of about 70, which translates to a mental age of about 13, and this will not change.
Unfortunately you can't just ignore him because there are hordes of morons here who respond to his every post like Pavlov's dogs. So every single thread gets derailed.
I've never argued for this before, but I think there are clear grounds for banning HU for reasons of forum atmosphere. He's been here for a year and has made over 5,000 posts, and they're all depressingly stupid.
His presence has stunk up this place to the point where 90% of threads in this forum are just fucked, just the exact same conversations going around in circles so that the decent posters stop posting.
You can discern smoneones IQ without meeting them or even testing them? Wow, you must be REALLY smart, surely an IQ of a billion!
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Re: Is the grey matter of all self-dentified conservatives some sort of guano composite? [Re: hostileuniverse]
#23733256 - 10/13/16 06:55 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I say ban Fal, Victor, spastic, and balls, they make me sad
Not Amira, I like that lil cellist, he makes me laugh
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Re: Is the grey matter of all self-dentified conservatives some sort of guano composite? [Re: viktor] 2
#23733442 - 10/13/16 08:40 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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amen, viktor
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Re: Is the grey matter of all self-dentified conservatives some sort of guano composite? [Re: Tipote]
#23733482 - 10/13/16 08:55 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Tipote said: amen, viktor

Yes amen to that, I say we demand all people we don't like be banned!
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Re: Is the grey matter of all self-dentified conservatives some sort of guano composite? [Re: hostileuniverse] 2
#23733525 - 10/13/16 09:11 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I don't know why I'm even responding because you won't understand now if you haven't already. Its not about liking or disliking, its about not being able to have intelligent discussion whenever you are present. Not liking you is secondary to this. 
You do plenty of other things besides intelligent discussion and it is clearly irritating for MANY members because we aren't here to explain basic concepts to you or point out your constant logical fallacies (these are not insults btw however much you take them all as such - constantly) or trade back-and-forth insults.
We would love intelligent discussion with you but I think most people here have given up on the idea of your competence in doing so.
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Re: Is the grey matter of all self-dentified conservatives some sort of guano composite? [Re: Tipote] 5
#23733540 - 10/13/16 09:22 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I wouldnt care if he was a professed nazi holocaust denying fascist, so long as he could articulate that in a way conducive to intelligent conversation.
Its not about beliefs, its about the ability to hold an adult conversation.
I know Enlil probably thinks I'm a moron for speculating about 9/11 being an inside job, and I think he is often intentionally obtuse on the topic, but that didnt stop us from having a perfectly normal, rational conversation on it for like a dozen pages in the conspiracy sub.
Beliefs have nothing to do with it
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Re: Is the grey matter of all self-dentified conservatives some sort of guano composite? [Re: The Ecstatic] 2
#23733560 - 10/13/16 09:30 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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absolutely!
I find a lot of qman's positions to be based on repulsing premises but we still have civilised debate. I dont think anyone, well except ChemicalSpark, is here for a complete echo-chamber. we all strengthen our own positions by criticism and discussion.
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Re: Is the grey matter of all self-dentified conservatives some sort of guano composite? [Re: The Ecstatic] 1
#23733566 - 10/13/16 09:34 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: I wouldnt care if he was a professed nazi holocaust denying fascist
what ever happened to Stonehenge anyway?
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Re: Is the grey matter of all self-dentified conservatives some sort of guano composite? [Re: The Ecstatic] 1
#23733569 - 10/13/16 09:34 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: I know Enlil probably thinks I'm a moron for speculating about 9/11 being an inside job,
That really is the difference here. Thinking you're a moron is fine as long as I choose one of the following options:
1. Discuss courteously about the topic, or 2. Don't discuss at all.
P.S. I don't think you're a moron, largely because of other discussions we've had about other topics. If that was the only topic we'd discussed, I probably would think that. Instead, I think, "WTF is stopping this otherwise rational person from seeing what's right in front of his face?"
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Re: Is the grey matter of all self-dentified conservatives some sort of guano composite? [Re: Enlil]
#23733592 - 10/13/16 09:46 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Is the grey matter of all self-dentified conservatives some sort of guano composite? [Re: ballsalsa]
#23733599 - 10/13/16 09:47 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Tipote said: we all strengthen our own positions by criticism and discussion.
Excellent point 
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The Ecstatic said: I wouldnt care if he was a professed nazi holocaust denying fascist
what ever happened to Stonehenge anyway?
Totally forgot about him. Havent seen him post in months.
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Re: Is the grey matter of all self-dentified conservatives some sort of guano composite? [Re: hostileuniverse] 2
#23733683 - 10/13/16 10:30 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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hostileuniverse said: Yep, some people are just too fuckng stupid to debate with... especially if they don't agree with you
It's been explained many, many times. We're actually here to debate people we don't agree with. But if you keep making everything up (like why we're frustrated with you), it's not worth our time.
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hostileuniverse said: I'm not ever gonna be dumb enough to believe that taxing corporations creates jobs
Government spending creates jobs. Teachers, postal workers, etc, etc. Whether you want to ignore that or not.
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hostileuniverse said: Or dumb enough to believe "free healthcare" is gonna be "free"
No one said that. The point is that the rich would have to pay a higher share that the poor with universal health care.
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hostileuniverse said: ...they believe universal health care is gonna "save them money"
Again, that depends on how much you make.
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hostileuniverse said: I'd rather have GOOD healthcare, even if evil insurance companies are making money off it
Did anyone say they would rather have BAD healthcare? No matter how many times people try to help you, you're just not smart enough to understand.
Debate was more interesting when I had you on ignore. I am doing it again.
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Re: Is the grey matter of all self-dentified conservatives some sort of guano composite? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#23733724 - 10/13/16 10:50 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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"government spending creates jobs"
That spending via taxation can also destroy jobs in the private sector and it can also destroy those public sector jobs if debt is used as a mechanism to pay for it.
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Re: Is the grey matter of all self-dentified conservatives some sort of guano composite? [Re: qman] 2
#23733772 - 10/13/16 11:17 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Then we should adjust our tax rates accordingly.
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Re: Is the grey matter of all self-dentified conservatives some sort of guano composite? [Re: The Ecstatic]
#23733797 - 10/13/16 11:24 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: Then we should adjust our tax rates accordingly.
You can't get blood from a stone, you do realize the tax base isn't infinite in nature?
I mean, why not just employ everyone who needs a job with higher taxes? It's been tried and it's failed every time.
What do we see when you can't hike property taxes any higher? They cut teachers, police, firemen, ect.
What do we see when the state's can't hike their taxes any higher? They cut state jobs endlessly, just like what we have seen since 2008.
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Re: Is the grey matter of all self-dentified conservatives some sort of guano composite? [Re: qman] 2
#23733825 - 10/13/16 11:38 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Taxes have been cut for 40 years as the debt and deficit has skyrocketed. Its a revenue problem moreso than a spending problem.
Imagine I work 40 hours a week in the 60s. Then in the 70s I have some money saved up so I decide to cut my hours to 32, and then to 24 in the 80s. All of a sudden my savings has dried up and now my income (revenue) can no longer pay for my bills (spending).
Is it smart to just sell off my cell phone, car, and other amenities? Or should I just start working full time again like I was in the 60s?
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Re: Is the grey matter of all self-dentified conservatives some sort of guano composite? [Re: The Ecstatic]
#23733868 - 10/13/16 11:57 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Tax rate percentages and "real" tax rates are two DIFFERENT issues, that chart does NOT illustrate that difference.
The last 70 years shows tax revenue relative to GDP has consistently remained in the 15-17% range.
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/FYFRGDA188S
"Its a revenue problem more so than a spending problem"
Not true, spending relative to GDP has continued to climb higher. http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/spending_brief.php
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Re: Is the grey matter of all self-dentified conservatives some sort of guano composite? [Re: qman] 2
#23733905 - 10/13/16 12:16 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Our GDP has a lot more to do with globalism than it does domestic budgets.
Either way its pretty simple: our deficit hikes coincide with tax cuts. Are the two unrelated?
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