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Re: Is the grey matter of all self-dentified conservatives some sort of guano composite? [Re: Bigbadwooof] 1
#23714086 - 10/06/16 06:54 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Bigbadwooof said: Every time I see starfire and the like say how Donald Trump is different and special, and going to change things (I assume he means for the better?), with out including any sort of reasoning aside from Trump shits rainbows, or something to that effect, I cringe. Then I see Falcon and ecstatic post intelligent things in response, and I am dumbfounded as to why these two bright individuals bother discussing anything with a bunch of clown-shoes day in and day out.
There are a few reasons I post here: 1. It helps me understand why conservative take certain positions on various topics, so I am more prepared to discuss these issues with the conservatives I know. 2. There is a small chance I'll learn something. Admittedly, that happened more back in the days of zappa and the smarter conservatives. Today, the smarter conservatives are becoming moderate democrats, while many liberal democrats are becoming Bernie/Green Party supporters. 3. I'm not trying to change the opinions of hardcore conservatives here; that will likely never happen. I'm hoping to reach some of the undecided people that read this forum without posting (I know there are a good handful of those based on people who vote up my posts).
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Re: Is the grey matter of all self-dentified conservatives some sort of guano composite? [Re: Bigbadwooof] 1
#23714108 - 10/06/16 07:09 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Conservatives use things like religion, and nationalism to defend their positions. That's another reason I am right. They work out their ideal from faulty premises.
Liberals do the same thing, just using different labels. Instead of "religion", they appeal to "compassion" or "moral obligation" It's all just arbitrary rhetoric.
If you give a shit about my opinion (I wouldn't), I think this whole thread is founded on the same kind of bullshit that conservatives pull. You're just selling the same image of a sagacious group of scholarly liberals that all liberals like to identify with. The truth, of course, is that most liberals aren't that at all. They buy organic because they're told it makes them more responsible, and they drive Prii because they don't see the hypocrisy in purchasing a new car in order to save the environment.
Similarly, conservatives fancy themselves as the moral rock of society, upholding all that is good and pure in this world of declining social structures.
They're both just bullshit. In the end, both sides are pathetically clinging to some illusion that they are making some positive difference in a world that couldn't care less about human participation.
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Re: Is the grey matter of all self-dentified conservatives some sort of guano composite? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Bigbadwooof said: Every time I see starfire and the like say how Donald Trump is different and special, and going to change things (I assume he means for the better?), with out including any sort of reasoning aside from Trump shits rainbows, or something to that effect, I cringe. Then I see Falcon and ecstatic post intelligent things in response, and I am dumbfounded as to why these two bright individuals bother discussing anything with a bunch of clown-shoes day in and day out.
There are a few reasons I post here: 1. It helps me understand why conservative take certain positions on various topics, so I am more prepared to discuss these issues with the conservatives I know. 2. There is a small chance I'll learn something. Admittedly, that happened more back in the days of zappa and the smarter conservatives. Today, the smarter conservatives are becoming moderate democrats, while many liberal democrats are becoming Bernie/Green Party supporters. 3. I'm not trying to change the opinions of hardcore conservatives here; that will likely never happen. I'm hoping to reach some of the undecided people that read this forum without posting (I know there are a good handful of those based on people who vote up my posts).
For the most part, ditto
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Re: Is the grey matter of all self-dentified conservatives some sort of guano composite? [Re: zZZz]
#23714204 - 10/06/16 07:39 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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zZZz said: I'm still not convinced..
You're right tho about the political folks who label themselves as "conservatives" usng such things just to win more votes, but I don't think it's their believes that are the problem, rather they are problematic in their own right, as the saying goes "judge not a book by its cover". If you really want to get the root of things, question the motives of the people individually, separate from any labels, if qman is a dick, then call him a dick, why call him a "conservative" dick..
I don't waste time arguing politics with people, arguing over politics is like two people arguing between a brick wall, cuz that's what politics are, just a brick wall, they mean nothing, u remove the brick wall and u get two people arguing over their differences..
I disagree. Discussing politics is one of the most important things we can do. The reason we have such a disengaged public in America, that has let this political nightmare spin out of control, is because people have been pacified with the spoils of conquest that America has afforded them for so long, and they haven't bothered to discuss or understand any of these things. We haven't discussed Socialism in any sort of honest way in this country for 50+ years. That's why people like Elax think that the very core of Socialist ideology is overtaking the means of production, and while that may be one avenue, the most fundamental principle of Socialist ideology is empowerment of labor via any means.
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Re: Is the grey matter of all self-dentified conservatives some sort of guano composite? [Re: Enlil]
#23714289 - 10/06/16 08:11 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Conservatives use things like religion, and nationalism to defend their positions. That's another reason I am right. They work out their ideal from faulty premises.
Liberals do the same thing, just using different labels. Instead of "religion", they appeal to "compassion" or "moral obligation" It's all just arbitrary rhetoric.
There are certainly a lot of liberal idiots out there. I don't identify as a liberal, or anything else for that matter, anymore, though I once did. The SJW/femanazi/hippie-green/safe space "liberals" (or 'regressives', as Sam Harris has coined them), are certainly cut of a similar cloth, but I don't think most of society takes them very seriously (I may be wrong, but one can hope).
I don't see any of those people post here, really. The few that have come close, have been run off quite quickly. I think Tipote and one other guy are the closest I can think of to fitting this mold off the top of my head. However, Tipote isn't completely unreasonable, like HU and Burgerbrain, etc.
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If you give a shit about my opinion (I wouldn't)
Your opinion is one of the few I value on this forum, though you are often wrong 
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I think this whole thread is founded on the same kind of bullshit that conservatives pull. You're just selling the same image of a sagacious group of scholarly liberals that all liberals like to identify with.
Is there a conservative equivalent to this 'sagacious group of scholarly liberals'? Certainly such 'liberals' do exist. Where is the conservative counterpart?
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The truth, of course, is that most liberals aren't that at all. They buy organic because they're told it makes them more responsible, and they drive Prii because they don't see the hypocrisy in purchasing a new car in order to save the environment.
I suppose I already responded to this part in the first portion of this reply.
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Similarly, conservatives fancy themselves as the moral rock of society, upholding all that is good and pure in this world of declining social structures.
I find the foundation of their bullshit to be much shakier. If you're going to base your ideals on religion/superstition, you might as well also base it off mother good stories, and what might happen if humpty dumpty really did have a great fall! :O
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They're both just bullshit. In the end, both sides are pathetically clinging to some illusion that they are making some positive difference in a world that couldn't care less about human participation.
If you're talking about the world as a physical rock, then no, it doesn't care about human participation. If you're talking from an ecological/habitation standpoint, then it may not be cognizant of it, but it cares in the form of struggling to cope with a world that it's niche capabilities and spaces are no longer applicable in.
I don't think most conservatives have any intention of making a better world. They believe that the world shouldn't be a decent place. Heaven should be decent, the world should be treacherous, and there is nothing to be done about that. The believe in some fanciful idea of 'individualism', in a world that is increasingly reliant on interconnectivity. Lefties want to embrace the communal side of humanity, instead. That honestly is the only sensible way to progress into the future.
Regardless, I made this thread just to note that the people who identify as Trump supporters, or conservatives on this particular forum, are all intellectually inferior to what I would hope the average is. I don't consider myself the brightest bulb out there, but conversations I have with conservatives on here make me feel like fucking Einstein. It is just an observation. Talk to HU for a little while, and you will understand what I am saying.
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Re: Is the grey matter of all self-dentified conservatives some sort of guano composite? [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#23714334 - 10/06/16 08:29 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Is there a conservative equivalent to this 'sagacious group of scholarly liberals'? Certainly such 'liberals' do exist. Where is the conservative counterpart?
The conservative counterpart are those who believe in returning America to it's independent roots where men were men and would pull themselves up by their bootstraps. Certainly such "conservatives" do exist.
The problem I have with your approach is that you think that there is something fundamentally better with one approach over another. That's because you've chosen a side already. The truth is not nearly that simple, however. The world is becoming interconnected and people do rely on each other more, and you assume that this is because it's a smarter choice. Another theory is that this is one of the problems in the world.
For a moment, however, I think you should consider the possibility that you're not correct simply because that's the current trend. If the world is a better place when humans rely on other humans, you'll need more of an argument than "That's the way the world is heading."
My perspective, which has limited value, is that the average person on this planet is an idiot who makes decisions based on fear. The above average person is just barely rational enough to navigate around these idiots, while the exceptional people, likely the only ones who can lead the world in a better direction, are rare as fuck. In that world, I'll choose self-reliance every time.
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Re: Is the grey matter of all self-dentified conservatives some sort of guano composite? [Re: Enlil] 2
#23714412 - 10/06/16 08:59 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Is there a conservative equivalent to this 'sagacious group of scholarly liberals'? Certainly such 'liberals' do exist. Where is the conservative counterpart?
The conservative counterpart are those who believe in returning America to it's independent roots where men were men and would pull themselves up by their bootstraps. Certainly such "conservatives" do exist.
The problem I have with your approach is that you think that there is something fundamentally better with one approach over another. That's because you've chosen a side already. The truth is not nearly that simple, however. The world is becoming interconnected and people do rely on each other more, and you assume that this is because it's a smarter choice. Another theory is that this is one of the problems in the world.
For a moment, however, I think you should consider the possibility that you're not correct simply because that's the current trend. If the world is a better place when humans rely on other humans, you'll need more of an argument than "That's the way the world is heading."
No man is an island. Humans have always relied on one another. All of the great things that have been accomplished by humanity have been accomplished during periods where man relied on communal efforts more than it had previously. I guess we have to weigh the benefits of technological advancement, artistic endeavors, and all of the things that were not possible when man was more self-reliant than he is today, against the benefits of that self-reliance. There are certainly advantages to both, but I find the advantages of cooperation to be far superior, don't you?
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My perspective, which has limited value, is that the average person on this planet is an idiot who makes decisions based on fear.
Conservative politics prey on this person far more than left-wing politics, in America, generally speaking. That is why white people are far more likely to vote conservative after being told things like 'America will be more than 50% Hispanic by 2050', or show articles about horrific terrorist attacks, etc. Not to say that Democrats don't play on people's fears (global warming), but I don't think it is their bread and butter.
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The above average person is just barely rational enough to navigate around these idiots, while the exceptional people, likely the only ones who can lead the world in a better direction, are rare as fuck. In that world, I'll choose self-reliance every time.
That's a pretty solid argument. I'm sure somewhere in here lies the core of my frustration with politics. What I see as the world that could be, maybe could never be, without substantial improvements (possibly through technological advancement) to the mental capability of your average human being. Then again, maybe the world that I hope for wouldn't be as wonderful as I imagine. I am not sure. I don't want people to interact as a collectivist hive of worker bees either.
I don't know where I am going here.
Edit: I should add that if your depiction of average human intelligence holds true, then maybe representative democracy is a terrible decision. Maybe we are better off with a Feudalistic system. Look at our elections here in the US... I certainly don't think Bernie is the best that the US could offer. I like him more than the rest. That's it. I certainly don't think he's the brightest guy, and I don't agree with everything he says. He's just the best, I believe, that has been offered in a long time.
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Re: Is the grey matter of all self-dentified conservatives some sort of guano composite? [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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Re: Is the grey matter of all self-dentified conservatives some sort of guano composite? [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#23714835 - 10/07/16 12:16 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Trump supporters are the worst. Get a load of this retard.
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Re: Is the grey matter of all self-dentified conservatives some sort of guano composite? [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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zZZz said: I don't think ur problem is that people aren't comprehending u, rather it's the complete opposite and it is u who refuses to comprehend other people.
Ok, I actually enjoyed this post. I generally disagree with it, but it was certainly poetic 
This thread is simply an observation. People who identify as conservatives are 'simple people', as they even sometimes call themselves. They are simple minded, dim-witted people.
One thing that I can say with absolute certainty though, is that I comprehend conservatives, especially those on these forums, infinitely well. I have taken time, and been patient. I have listened to their absolute pure and utter nonsense for a very long time. I watched the rise of Donald Trump, and I have paid close attention to this election. I watch them desperately cling onto ideals which have proven false repeatedly for decades in America, and talk about them as if they are novel and have never been tried. I watch them vote against their neighbor and themselves, election after election. I watch them cling to nationalist symbols, bibles, etc, and use their emotions and irrational belief structures to characterize their public policy positions.
I have watched the rise of Donald Trump, as I said. Anyone who doesn't think that is enough reason for me to insist that the world disabuse itself of this subset of what some might call 'human beings' ought to be included in the burn pit.
I have watched people like (One of the conservative posters on here) rally for Donald Trump for months now. I believe that these people should not be allowed to continue spreading their mental cancers. We should disabuse the world of their existence. They have no value. They are lower than maggots, or the filth that maggots feast on. They should be spit on.
Also, Qman is quite well-known to be one of the filthiest racists on these boards, so don't tell me that I just need to take the time to 'understand'.
"Qman is quite well-known to be one of the filthiest racists on these boards"
That's a flame which isn't allowed in this forum, maybe an apology would be most appropriate at this point.
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Re: Is the grey matter of all self-dentified conservatives some sort of guano composite? [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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Bigbadwooof said: Anyone who doesn't think that is enough reason for me to insist that the world disabuse itself of this subset of what some might call 'human beings' ought to be included in the burn pit.
We should disabuse the world of their existence. They have no value. They are lower than maggots, or the filth that maggots feast on. They should be spit on.

Congratulations, you're literally Hitler.
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Re: Is the grey matter of all self-dentified conservatives some sort of guano composite? [Re: qman]
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is it a flame if its true?
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Re: Is the grey matter of all self-dentified conservatives some sort of guano composite? [Re: Tipote]
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Tipote said: is it a flame if its true?
Yep, even if it's potentially true, it's a flame. The rules don't stipulate whether the flame is true or not. In this case, it's not true.
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Re: Is the grey matter of all self-dentified conservatives some sort of guano composite? [Re: qman]
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what makes it a flame then? I'd be surprised that you see "racist" as pejorative. Maybe its the filthy part that you find insulting?
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Re: Is the grey matter of all self-dentified conservatives some sort of guano composite? [Re: qman]
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Tipote said: is it a flame if its true?
Yep, even if it's potentially true, it's a flame. The rules don't stipulate whether the flame is true or not. In this case, it's not true. 
These libtards love to play coy.
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Re: Is the grey matter of all self-dentified conservatives some sort of guano composite? [Re: Tipote]
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Tipote said: what makes it a flame then? I'd be surprised that you see "racist" as pejorative. Maybe its the filthy part that you find insulting?
Yeah, the filthy part was also bad.
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Re: Is the grey matter of all self-dentified conservatives some sort of guano composite? [Re: qman]
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Don't get ur panties all in a bunch
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Re: Is the grey matter of all self-dentified conservatives some sort of guano composite? [Re: zZZz]
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Reported for sexism, you're trying to insinuate that a man wearing "panties" is degrading.
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Re: Is the grey matter of all self-dentified conservatives some sort of guano composite? [Re: qman]
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U are gender less so it doesn't count
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Re: Is the grey matter of all self-dentified conservatives some sort of guano composite? [Re: zZZz]
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Conservatives are bad! Waaah waaah waaaaaaaah!
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