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OfflineThe Ecstatic
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Re: Is the grey matter of all self-dentified conservatives some sort of guano composite? [Re: qman]
    #23922092 - 12/13/16 10:02 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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millzy said:
i'm genuinely interested in where you dissent from the majority. i could be mistaken on how i interpret what you're saying. i'm open to that. we generally disagree when we talk, but we have agreed on certain things in the past too.




Here are a few mainstream economic issues I oppose-

!. Globalization-  I have no issue with free trade, but that's NOT what we practice today.

2. Legal and illegal immigration- Most in the mainstream business community think importing labor into the US is a great idea even when the average US working is struggling, I disagree.

3. The bailouts of the banking system- I don't think rewarding unethical and poor behavior is a good idea.

4. The Federal Reserve- I don't think a committee of a few people should be controlling interest rates and buying assets with money that doesn't exist.

5 A gold standard- I believe currency should be backed by real money- gold, mainstream economists love their fiat money games.




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Re: Is the grey matter of all self-dentified conservatives some sort of guano composite? [Re: akira_akuma] * 1
    #23922905 - 12/13/16 02:39 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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fair enough; i agree; but that's a standard too difficult bear concerning the notion of propagating an idea in this dichotomous left-right paradigm of media exposure/political gain.




Just a thought that I've recently been mulling around. While conservatives are generally a band of low-information, self-absorbed, sound-bite addicted idiots, and lefties, as demonstrated by this forum, tend to be far more intelligent, and fact-oriented :wink:... I think this particular dichotomy is losing relevance.

The relevant dichotomy I see developing the world over is (Likely a result of globalization): Establishment vs Anti-establishment. The people are otherwise fine with some blurring of the lines between left and right. Left-wing politicians are more likely to be corporatists, because the politics of the people (true leftist policy) has not been permitted for a very long time, so leftist parties have cozied up with plutocrats, and created corporatocracies the world over. Therefore, the right shall rise more quickly than the left, because the right has an easier path toward an 'anti-establishment' presence in modern politics.

I hope I wrote that clearly enough to get my point across.

Edit: However, I do believe that the "left-wing" neoliberal establishment politicians shall be removed far from positions of power in the coming decades, and replaced with true leftist leaders, after what I predict will be years of right wing tyranny.

I'm changing my name to Nostradomwooof.


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Re: Is the grey matter of all self-dentified conservatives some sort of guano composite? [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 1
    #23922965 - 12/13/16 02:54 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

makes perfect sense to me.

i've been saying awhile now, the dichotomy is bullshit.

but that makes more sense, establishment versus anti-establishment is more the key response in politics in this social media age.

ie, people whom are finished with business as usual, and people whom are fine with business as usual.

and yeah, the right has a "leg up" because they've always been against the predominant establishment, and considered themselves 'shafted' from day one of the counter-culture movement in America. but some still, sadly, somehow, refuse to see the inherent sameness of neoliberal and neoconservative policies and action. but that's, as you said, changing. people are realizing that the republicans, like those on the neoliberal left, never had their best interests in mind.

and funnily enough, the republicans seem to be on-board with the paradigm shift, more than the democrats, that's for sure...for the most part; though maybe it's a smoke-screen- i smoak that this is a possiblity. (also: the religiousity is still a bit of a rampart to good sense, in my opinion...i understand that there is moral reticence in some factions of the irreligious, but some things involved in religious "morality" aren't really moral- a distinction of sense and nonsense has to be made...ie abortions are bad...but making women have their rape babies or have their stillbirth babies [and then make them pay for the funeral] is still bad, and not moral at all.)

(watch the right-wing proponents ignore the fuck out of this post)


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Re: Is the grey matter of all self-dentified conservatives some sort of guano composite? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23923094 - 12/13/16 03:27 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

republicans have a slight head start because their party was already partially fractured.  If the Dems decide to try to consolidate as the establishment party rather than rebrand, there is potential for them to pick up old-guard conservatives who never liked tea-party politics anyway, but they will gradually lose their own populist wing.  It could be an interesting decade coming up here.


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Re: Is the grey matter of all self-dentified conservatives some sort of guano composite? [Re: ballsalsa]
    #23923109 - 12/13/16 03:32 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

yep. absolutely, this has been noted by some analysts.



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Re: Is the grey matter of all self-dentified conservatives some sort of guano composite? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23923330 - 12/13/16 05:10 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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akira_akuma said:
makes perfect sense to me.

i've been saying awhile now, the dichotomy is bullshit.

but that makes more sense, establishment versus anti-establishment is more the key response in politics in this social media age.

ie, people whom are finished with business as usual, and people whom are fine with business as usual.

and yeah, the right has a "leg up" because they've always been against the predominant establishment, and considered themselves 'shafted' from day one of the counter-culture movement in America. but some still, sadly, somehow, refuse to see the inherent sameness of neoliberal and neoconservative policies and action. but that's, as you said, changing. people are realizing that the republicans, like those on the neoliberal left, never had their best interests in mind.

and funnily enough, the republicans seem to be on-board with the paradigm shift, more than the democrats, that's for sure...for the most part; though maybe it's a smoke-screen- i smoak that this is a possiblity. (also: the religiousity is still a bit of a rampart to good sense, in my opinion...i understand that there is moral reticence in some factions of the irreligious, but some things involved in religious "morality" aren't really moral- a distinction of sense and nonsense has to be made...ie abortions are bad...but making women have their rape babies or have their stillbirth babies [and then make them pay for the funeral] is still bad, and not moral at all.)

(watch the right-wing proponents ignore the fuck out of this post)




Good post.


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Re: Is the grey matter of all self-dentified conservatives some sort of guano composite? [Re: ballsalsa] * 3
    #23923369 - 12/13/16 05:20 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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ballsalsa said:
republicans have a slight head start because their party was already partially fractured.  If the Dems decide to try to consolidate as the establishment party rather than rebrand, there is potential for them to pick up old-guard conservatives who never liked tea-party politics anyway, but they will gradually lose their own populist wing.  It could be an interesting decade coming up here.




The thing is, a very significant portion of Republicans in this country are only Republican for religious reasons, and it has nothing to do with politics, or economics. It's funny, because I've heard HU say that the only reason Liberals vote is because they want to kill babies, and I think quite the opposite is true. The only reason many Republicans vote is because they want to fight gay rights and 'women's rights', and that is for religious reasons.

The truth is, Democrats and Republicans have all been Reagan-style Republicans for a long time, yet Republicans still think that Democrats are radical socialists, illustrating that this was never about policy at all, but rather Seahawks vs Cowboys, if you catch my drift.


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Re: Is the grey matter of all self-dentified conservatives some sort of guano composite? [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 1
    #23925985 - 12/14/16 01:17 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Democrats need more Bernice type candidates to swing the voters their way to into thinking the vast the progress of the movement wiLl be willing to move into a brighter future with advanced societies and including but not limited to telecommunications and the voters at large


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Re: Is the grey matter of all self-dentified conservatives some sort of guano composite? [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23926033 - 12/14/16 01:25 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

:cookiemonster: there is a flu going around.


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