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Re: Is the grey matter of all self-dentified conservatives some sort of guano composite? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#23775953 - 10/27/16 08:56 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: What is your point here qman??? That we SHOULD continue to give all our money to the rich to help the economy?????
Who's giving "all our money to the rich"? I don't send money to Gates and Buffett.
Our money is going to the rich through huge tax cuts.
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qman said: We have the largest wealth and income inequality in over 80 years? That's under Obama's watch, under Hillary that inequality will only grow larger.
Only if Hillary continues the devastating tax cuts for the rich. If Hillary raises taxes on the super wealthy, income inequality will go down.
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qman said: Why would you think potentially collecting more Federal taxes would help the working class? Do you really think they're going to send everyone a monthly check or something?
You don't think more money for infrastructure, education, medical care, etc. helps the working class? Wow.
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qman said: You trust the people that created and passed the ACA to redistribute wealth to help the working class?
That's what needs to be done to reduce income inequality. I would have trusted Bernie to do that, I'm not sure about Hillary, but I KNOW for a fact Trump won't do it.
We were discussing Congress, not the potential US President. I hope you get the Democratic majority that you desire, nothing like seeing for yourself.
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Re: Is the grey matter of all self-dentified conservatives some sort of guano composite? [Re: qman] 4
#23775983 - 10/27/16 09:09 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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You keep on pushing this narrative about the corporate Democrats as if every single liberal on this forum isnt aware of their treachery.
Or maybe you think we only want to repeal Citizens United for the GOP, and only break up the banks that donate to that party...
Like seriously dude. Make a case for the GOP or can it. We're all aware of the Democrats' problems.
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Re: Is the grey matter of all self-dentified conservatives some sort of guano composite? [Re: The Ecstatic]
#23776008 - 10/27/16 09:19 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: You keep on pushing this narrative about the corporate Democrats as if every single liberal on this forum isnt aware of their treachery.
Or maybe you think we only want to repeal Citizens United for the GOP, and only break up the banks that donate to that party...
Like seriously dude. Make a case for the GOP or can it. We're all aware of the Democrats' problems.
Yet, within the last week BOTH you and Fal made posts about the potential of having a Democratic majority in Congress and the potential of being able to make major changes as a result of that fact.
I'm only responding to what you guys are asserting, you can't have it both ways. You don't hear me salivating over the potential of having a R President with a majority R congress.
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Re: Is the grey matter of all self-dentified conservatives some sort of guano composite? [Re: qman] 1
#23776215 - 10/27/16 10:26 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I've already stated that with democrats in charge, I don't know whether we'll get tax increases on the super rich or not to help reduce the burden on the middle class. But I know for certain we won't get that with the GOP.
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Re: Is the grey matter of all self-dentified conservatives some sort of guano composite? [Re: qman] 3
#23776239 - 10/27/16 10:34 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: You keep on pushing this narrative about the corporate Democrats as if every single liberal on this forum isnt aware of their treachery.
Or maybe you think we only want to repeal Citizens United for the GOP, and only break up the banks that donate to that party...
Like seriously dude. Make a case for the GOP or can it. We're all aware of the Democrats' problems.
Yet, within the last week BOTH you and Fal made posts about the potential of having a Democratic majority in Congress and the potential of being able to make major changes as a result of that fact.
I'm only responding to what you guys are asserting, you can't have it both ways. You don't hear me salivating over the potential of having a R President with a majority R congress. 
Potential, yes. Well done.
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Re: Is the grey matter of all self-dentified conservatives some sort of guano composite? [Re: The Ecstatic] 3
#23897599 - 12/05/16 05:38 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Qman just reminded me how relevant this thread is. I appreciated his little reminder so much, that I decided to make a last ditch attempt to revive it. Thanks Qman, you're the best!
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Re: Is the grey matter of all self-dentified conservatives some sort of guano composite? [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#23897861 - 12/05/16 06:49 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Bigbadwooof said: Qman just reminded me how relevant this thread is. I appreciated his little reminder so much, that I decided to make a last ditch attempt to revive it. Thanks Qman, you're the best!
You're belittling of your political opponents says a lot about you
***when lies fail, libs hurl the insults
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Re: Is the grey matter of all self-dentified conservatives some sort of guano composite? [Re: hostileuniverse]
#23903612 - 12/07/16 02:20 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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To me a conservative is someone who interprets the Bible as a literal authority.
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Re: Is the grey matter of all self-dentified conservatives some sort of guano composite? [Re: Morel Guy]
#23903648 - 12/07/16 02:27 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Morel Guy said: To me a conservative is someone who interprets the Bible as a literal authority.
There are plenty of non-religious conservatives. Donald Trump, for example.
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Re: Is the grey matter of all self-dentified conservatives some sort of guano composite? [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#23903666 - 12/07/16 02:31 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Morel Guy said: To me a conservative is someone who interprets the Bible as a literal authority.
There are plenty of non-religious conservatives. Donald Trump, for example.
He claims to be a Christian and cheaply at that.
I really think he's just jumping on the conservative bandwagon and does not really know himself.
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Re: Is the grey matter of all self-dentified conservatives some sort of guano composite? [Re: Morel Guy] 4
#23903724 - 12/07/16 02:41 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Morel Guy said: He claims to be a Christian and cheaply at that.
I really think he's just jumping on the conservative bandwagon and does not really know himself.
Half of his policy positions are liberal. He feigned religion terribly, agreed. Some people are ok with liars in office. I'm not. The man who was supposed to 'say what he means' and 'speak the plain truth', lied about his religion, and hired actors to support him at his announcement.
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Re: Is the grey matter of all self-dentified conservatives some sort of guano composite? [Re: hostileuniverse] 1
#23908185 - 12/08/16 07:24 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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You're belittling of your political opponents says a lot about you
***when lies fail, libs hurl the insults
when will you realize that you're a lib? you also hurl insults, and hardly ever discuss anything; you instead give these pathetic one-liners, as if they were anything but a cheap insult, and then look the other way.
you're a lib.
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Re: Is the grey matter of all self-dentified conservatives some sort of guano composite? [Re: akira_akuma]
#23909328 - 12/09/16 07:23 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Bigbadwooof said: Qman just reminded me how relevant this thread is. I appreciated his little reminder so much, that I decided to make a last ditch attempt to revive it. Thanks Qman, you're the best!
You're belittling of your political opponents says a lot about you
***when lies fail, libs hurl the insults
when will you realize that you're a lib? you also hurl insults, and hardly ever discuss anything; you instead give these pathetic one-liners, as if they were anything but a cheap insult, and then look the other way.
you're a lib.
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Lakoff can't save us from the damage that's been done in the past 30 years. The very words that are used to describe us are associated, by both those with a more conservative political bent and those who consider themselves moderates, as negatives.
It's a certainty that if most americans were given a warm-cool poll on the words liberal, democrat, and left-wing in a political context, more than 65% of them would view these words "coolly." We've been so cowed by this successful rebranding of words that we've started calling ourselves "progressives" who live in "blue states". Retreat! Retreat!
People who are clearly liberals run from the word, how long will it be before it's the same with democrat? Conversely, most people have no qualms about conservative, or republican, or right-wing. After all, those are the terms used to describe people with staunch moral values who care about protecting our country.
Run along now
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Re: Is the grey matter of all self-dentified conservatives some sort of guano composite? [Re: hostileuniverse] 1
#23909522 - 12/09/16 09:00 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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https://www2.gwu.edu/~erpapers/teachinger/glossary/progressive-era.cfm
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Progressivism is the term applied to a variety of responses to the economic and social problems rapid industrialization introduced to America. Progressivism began as a social movement and grew into a political movement. The early progressives rejected Social Darwinism. In other words, they were people who believed that the problems society faced (poverty, violence, greed, racism, class warfare) could best be addressed by providing good education, a safe environment, and an efficient workplace. Progressives lived mainly in the cities, were college educated, and believed that government could be a tool for change. Social reformers, like Jane Addams, and journalists, like Jacob Riis and Ida Tarbel, were powerful voices for progressivism. They concentrated on exposing the evils of corporate greed, combating fear of immigrants, and urging Americans to think hard about what democracy meant. Other local leaders encouraged Americans to register to vote, fight political corruption, and let the voting public decide how issues should best be addressed (the initiative, the referendum, and the recall). On a national level, progressivism gained a strong voice in the White House when Theodore Roosevelt became president in 1901. TR believed that strong corporations were good for America, but he also believed that corporate behavior must be watched to ensure that corporate greed did not get out of hand (trust-busting and federal regulation of business).
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Re: Is the grey matter of all self-dentified conservatives some sort of guano composite? [Re: hostileuniverse]
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Run along now
America, when will you legalize euthanasia? you need to, it's the only way.
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Re: Is the grey matter of all self-dentified conservatives some sort of guano composite? [Re: akira_akuma]
#23912339 - 12/10/16 07:27 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Not going far enough.
Eugenics is the only way.
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Re: Is the grey matter of all self-dentified conservatives some sort of guano composite? [Re: hostileuniverse]
#23912507 - 12/10/16 09:06 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Bigbadwooof said: Qman just reminded me how relevant this thread is. I appreciated his little reminder so much, that I decided to make a last ditch attempt to revive it. Thanks Qman, you're the best!
You're belittling of your political opponents says a lot about you
***when lies fail, libs hurl the insults
says the poster whose posts are so toxic that he/she/it has actually been accused of being a paid right wing troll. but i digress...
to op's point, i think many people just want their thinking done for them. our brand of conservatism offers a lot of easy answers to complicated questions. and i think conservatism should be singled out here, not because it relies on an echo chamber of bullshit to enforce its own ideas, but because conservatism seems to offer a type of political orthodoxy. conservatism is not just an answer, it's THE ANSWER. dissenters simply "don't understand the world". and that's literally true if you think about it because the world of conservatism is entirely constructed of dogmatic beliefs. there is no observation that could be capable of contradicting conservative dogma, which is why liberals and conservatives talk right past each other.
it all comes down to underlying assumptions. while both conservatives and liberals agree that the world is changing, the former assumes the status quo is ideal while the latter assumes it must be redefined. as far as the question of which group has more fools goes, the answer to that seems to revolve around if the status quo is truly ideal. i don't believe it is.
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Well said, millzy.
I actually created a thread on this point, the dogmatism and oversimplications that are the foundation of modern conservatism don't allow for things like seriously entertaining an alternative viewpoint. Its probably the biggest reason why this subforum doesnt consist of political discussion, but rather page upon page of fact checking the conservative posters and their seemingly uniform rhetoric.
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Re: Is the grey matter of all self-dentified conservatives some sort of guano composite? [Re: millzy]
#23912661 - 12/10/16 10:16 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Bigbadwooof said: Qman just reminded me how relevant this thread is. I appreciated his little reminder so much, that I decided to make a last ditch attempt to revive it. Thanks Qman, you're the best!
You're belittling of your political opponents says a lot about you
***when lies fail, libs hurl the insults
says the poster whose posts are so toxic that he/she/it has actually been accused of being a paid right wing troll. but i digress...
to op's point, i think many people just want their thinking done for them. our brand of conservatism offers a lot of easy answers to complicated questions. and i think conservatism should be singled out here, not because it relies on an echo chamber of bullshit to enforce its own ideas, but because conservatism seems to offer a type of political orthodoxy. conservatism is not just an answer, it's THE ANSWER. dissenters simply "don't understand the world". and that's literally true if you think about it because the world of conservatism is entirely constructed of dogmatic beliefs. there is no observation that could be capable of contradicting conservative dogma, which is why liberals and conservatives talk right past each other.
it all comes down to underlying assumptions. while both conservatives and liberals agree that the world is changing, the former assumes the status quo is ideal while the latter assumes it must be redefined. as far as the question of which group has more fools goes, the answer to that seems to revolve around if the status quo is truly ideal. i don't believe it is.
It think it's a false assumption that many "conservatives" don't want socioeconomic change.
What has the election of Trump and the vote of Brexit taught us? Conservatives wanted change and the status quo was not "truly ideal".
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Re: Is the grey matter of all self-dentified conservatives some sort of guano composite? [Re: qman]
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It think it's a false assumption that many "conservatives" don't want socioeconomic change.
They will never get that,
in their tiny little brains, any opposition to their agenda is seen as move back toward slavery. The "all or nothing" mentality is all they know (and all they want to know)
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