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JohnnyTripsAlot
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Please be careful 1
#23707857 - 10/04/16 07:20 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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If my background with dmt prior to this experience matters to you at all, it is included at the bottom of the post.
I need to start this off by saying that i take full responsibility for the events i am about to describe. I’ve been witness to hundreds of dmt trips and none were anything like this. The ONLY reason i am writing this is to let my people know that it is possible. I expect tons of negative responses and everyone is entitled to their opinion. I am only looking to report my story.
A close friend that I had introduced to this molecule had been falling in love with it. He’d taken four trips via dab rip and clearly experienced the full effect(describing entities and the whole nine yards). His fifth trip happened on a night when the dab rig was out of commission due to a broken slide. I personally always preferred the sandwich method, I just found the rig to be less wasteful. Another possible drawback was that the sandwich method usually takes a few separate hits to get someone off. On the night I’m referring to I packed my bowl to maximum capacity, assuming he and I would each probably smoke from it twice. Not two hits each I mean two sessions each The amount wasn’t weighed but if I had to guess I’d say it was close to 250 milligrams.
My first mistake was not showing him what a normal size hit looked like in this case. I’ve seen bowls full of dmt handed to numbers of people, most of them take a tiny pull and sink into the couch before generating the courage to take the necessary second and third hits. I actually made the mistake of informing him that he would have to smoke more than what he was used to because of the difference in burning method. And it gets worse. My faith in this individual and his ability to handle whatever came his way made me think it was okay to honor his request and leave the room when he was getting ready to blast off. I left him alone in the room and waited outside the door on a nearby couch.
So yes, I did a terrible job as a friend and a sitter. I completely set him up for a disaster. Trust me I still feel guilty. Again, the following story is anything but the norm, however it is possible.
So I wish him luck, close the door behind me and post up on the couch to wait. A few moments later I hear extreme coughing. That continues for a minute then begins to settle before turning into a violent dry heaving sound. Immediately I open the door to check on my friend. I see him crouched forward, his body trying vomit but nothing coming out. I look over and see the entire bowl pack gone. He’d burned all of the spice and the herb underneath it. The dry heaving dies down after another minute, he falls forward onto the floor and begins rolling around. He begins making strange noises. I am repeatedly asking if he’s okay but he remains unresponsive. The noises progress from grunts to full on demon shit. A voice I’ve never heard is blaring from his mouth speaking in tongues.
Now all of his limbs are flailing. He makes numerous failed attempts to stand up and is now colliding with furniture. I tackle him and try to hold him down. Huge mistake. He has a death grip on my arms and is now dragging me with him as we both bounce off tables and dressers. I hold on for dear life thinking all will be over soon. At the first sign of him slowing I begin trying to talk to him again. Still possessed he maintains a steady flow of disturbing noises and a blank stare. I am able to wrestle him back onto the couch. He begins swimming into the cushions. I watch nervously and proceed calling him his name.
He then finds his way onto his feet and begins trying to run. I latch on and try to bring him back to the couch. This time he not only rips my arms off but starts swinging haymakers wildly in all directions. Although none connected I’m now a little more cautious to approach. He then runs face first into a wall and starts climbing a dresser. Desperately I tackle him again. We both roll into a coffee table and my head takes the brunt of the impact. Over the next thirty minutes he destroys the entire room causing multiple injuries to both of us. All in all his trip lasted about forty five minutes (I’ve never seen anyone go under for more than ten). He wakes up in pain, disoriented and terrified. He is unable to remember anything aside from the moment he came out of it. Saying he remembered hearing his name being called and thinking he was in an insane asylum. I do my best to treat his wounds and calm him down before getting him to a hospital.
Since then he has fully recovered physically, however hasn’t tripped on anything. He tells me he sometimes begins to revisit the experience and it causes anxiety. Weed being a primary cause of these feelings.
I know how bad this post sounds but I promise you I am not some uninformed reckless dipshit. I have consistent experience with dmt for years leading up to this and also hundreds of trips on shrooms mescaline lsd hwbr and numerous rcs. With deems I’ve seen it in every color, every consistency and smoked it numerous ways. The experience of this person is comparable or more extreme than the worst salvia video you’ve ever seen.
Point being, be safe. I love to push the limits, we all do, just maintain a certain level of respect for these substances.
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SvampebobFirkant
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Holy shit that sounds insane, it's not often you hear about people being so far away like this, and especially not for that long on a DMT trip.
I won't judge you about what you did and did not, you clearly regret it, which I understand, and we're only human, we fail at times. At least you did everything you could, the second you realized something was wrong.
I'm glad you share this kind of information, it's a good heads-up, so people remember that these things aren't just toys, and really should be dealt with carefully, because it can go south real fast.
Hope your friend will recover fully mentally!
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pineninja
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Yep thanks for sharing. for what it's worth I've had to briefly restrain a friend on deems before although it was momentary and not even close to the intensity you describe.
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PsychoKinesiS
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Re: Please be careful [Re: pineninja]
#23708086 - 10/04/16 08:43 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I don't think that was a DMT trip - I think that was some kind of seizure. The same thing happened to me when I tried weed - my friend said I was trying to fight him but all I remember is passing out and waking up from some nightmare exremely disoriented like I was just born and didn't know which reality was real.
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Edited by PsychoKinesiS (10/04/16 08:43 PM)
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pineninja
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Just a coincidence then.
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AstralAndrew
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Re: Please be careful [Re: pineninja]
#23708561 - 10/04/16 11:33 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Jeeeesus, I shall be careful. Happy healing psychologically.
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Give the drugs a break... Scary shit! Glad there were no cops called, that would have been infinitely worse.
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ak47myth
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Wild shit.
Nearly a decade ago, my friend became possessed on some DMT i let him smoke (sandwich method). He stayed tripping/possessed for an hour or 2... No bullshit. Lucky for me he wasnt violent or anything, but he was definitely acting possessed. The entire time he spoke with a demonic voice and said very disturbing shit, even had a very sinister laugh. Ill never forget that shit
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openmind
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PsychoKinesiS said: I don't think that was a DMT trip - I think that was some kind of seizure. ....
Not so sure if it's a seizure, this response is totally not unheard of when it comes to high doses of smoked DMT. I've experienced it my self and I've witnessed it happen to a few people (pretty much exactly as the story in the OP)...and over the years I've heard a handful of stories on the shroomery of it happening to people.
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When it happened to me>>>
.....Usually there is a "surge" of sorts into the peak/breakthrough when taking the "dose" in multiple inhalations, even if that surge is rather quick. But off the nail, all of that in one inhalation, all I remember was exhaling the hit, then blacking out/losing touch, then coming back to semi-awareness of where I was & what was happening. And it was at that moment I realized my body was spazzing out, flailing around, rolling around, twitching & convulsing with moderate intensity, and gibberish and glossolalia like stuff was pouring out of my mouth over and over again. Once I realized this I quickly snapped my self out of the convulsions/flailing and all of that chaos and sat my self up, calmed the mind and rode out the tail end of all of that.
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.....He did about the same amount as the rest of us in the same way. But he laid back and started yelling out, "AHHHhhhh AAAAHHHHHHhhhH!!!" And he started flailing around uncontrollably, like i had. However,it intensified. He started kicking the sides of the tent and then began kicking and swinging his fists. I tried my best to protect him and myself while this was going on. He continued screaming in agony, which would be punctuated by hysterical laughter. A truly weird sight. As this progressed and got worse another friend came in the tent and helped me console/comfort my friend. He laid back on the mattress and it sounded like he was gurgling or something so we put him on his side so he wouldnt choke if he threw up. Then he sat up again and started laughing. We thought he was coming out of it. He wasn't. He got even more combative after this and eventually made his way out of the tent and into our camp area. We did our best to continue to protect him, us, and our neighbors tents and possessions. At one point I pulled him off of our neighbors tent, over to a more open area. This had been going on for about 15-20 minutes at this point......He didn't have much memory of the experience.....
....^^same story
We were camping at a festival/gathering of sorts, and he had taken it laying down in the tent. Shit got wild, he some how worked his way out of the tent from moving/rolling around so much (not intentionally), knocked some shit over in the camp but we all quickly moved things out of his way so he didn't destroy anything or hurt him self. The only time we would grab him and try to move him was when ever he got close to a tent (that's about all one can really do in these sorts of situations, the person isn't going to respond so at least make the area safe). Dude ended up rolling over a few tents before we could move him. He would stop moving and go silent for brief periods but then would start flailing and screaming all over again, went through this cycle a few times...towards to end, the periods of him moving around & screaming became shorter, and the moments of stillness & silence grew longer.
There's also several other very similar stories I've heard on the shroomery that I can't seem to find at the moment.
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Re: Please be careful [Re: ak47myth]
#23710416 - 10/05/16 04:13 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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ak47myth said: Wild shit.
Nearly a decade ago, my friend became possessed on some DMT i let him smoke (sandwich method). He stayed tripping/possessed for an hour or 2... No bullshit. Lucky for me he wasnt violent or anything, but he was definitely acting possessed. The entire time he spoke with a demonic voice and said very disturbing shit, even had a very sinister laugh. Ill never forget that shit
Do you remember what it said by chance?
-------------------- Don't worry about me, I've got all that I need. And I'm singing my song to the sky You know how it feels, With the breeze of the sun in your eyes. Not minding that time's passing by I've got all and more, My smile, just as before. Is all that I carry with me I talk to myself, I need nobody else. I'm lost and I'm mine, yes I'm free
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When the DMT manifests your internal demons and fears
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ak47myth
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musiclover420 said:
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ak47myth said: Wild shit.
Nearly a decade ago, my friend became possessed on some DMT i let him smoke (sandwich method). He stayed tripping/possessed for an hour or 2... No bullshit. Lucky for me he wasnt violent or anything, but he was definitely acting possessed. The entire time he spoke with a demonic voice and said very disturbing shit, even had a very sinister laugh. Ill never forget that shit
Do you remember what it said by chance?
Shit, not really. It was like 9 years ago.
Id try talking to my friend and say his name "brian", and he would respond with "brians not here" or "brians gone" with a very weird voice. Thats like the only thing i remember. But he went off and said some very wild shit. Wish i could remember.
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musiclover420
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Re: Please be careful [Re: ak47myth]
#23711356 - 10/05/16 08:23 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Its times like those I wish more people filmed themselves high on drugs...
-------------------- Don't worry about me, I've got all that I need. And I'm singing my song to the sky You know how it feels, With the breeze of the sun in your eyes. Not minding that time's passing by I've got all and more, My smile, just as before. Is all that I carry with me I talk to myself, I need nobody else. I'm lost and I'm mine, yes I'm free
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pineninja
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Just got wind of a friend of a friend whos just been hospitalized. Dmt for weeks 5 times a day with a family history of psycosis and previous issues with the psycs. Been going downhill for about a week convinced himself he was god and was trying to convince others...doing dances that summoned angels and instructions....finished with him walking around in circles with a net telling people to watch and be amazed.... didn't batter an eyelid at the Ambos and took 4 cops to get him under physical control....this is obviously an abuse of this substance and a lack of respect for its potential to screw you up. Done responsibly it's amazing but for many reasons as OP stated please be careful.
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musiclover420
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Re: Please be careful [Re: pineninja]
#23711405 - 10/05/16 08:43 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Stories like these are great examples of why I believe oral dmt has much more therapeutic potential when used carefully.
Clearly the MAOI's take more caution but its harder if not impossible to really abuse outside of taking too much which will make you want a break most likely.
I also would bet money the effects are much more medicinal/ beneficial in a lot of ways.
-------------------- Don't worry about me, I've got all that I need. And I'm singing my song to the sky You know how it feels, With the breeze of the sun in your eyes. Not minding that time's passing by I've got all and more, My smile, just as before. Is all that I carry with me I talk to myself, I need nobody else. I'm lost and I'm mine, yes I'm free
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pineninja
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I think used responsibly dmt can give you remarkable wonderful memorable experiences it certainly has for me.... I don't want to sound like a wowser but I don't think people should underestimate the fact that like most of these things there is a limit to how much before it starts getting dicey so be careful.
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Re: Please be careful [Re: pineninja]
#23712760 - 10/06/16 10:35 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Someone told me to smoke 200mg once and I paraphrase, 'just do it, pussy'.
Dumb, that was dumb to say to me. I did 45mg for the first time in a dab nail whoahahahahahaha. I fuggin died I'll tell you what; dissolved into a fractal. A moment in time came out that was so odd.... I've had a bit of time to process it but I still don't understand. It was a moment of clarity, an understanding of love, I felt like a more intelligent entity was there. Maybe akin to that, 'fart' from the popular television show Rick and Morty and in comparison to him singing moonman to morty. [flash=425,344] /flash]
Adventure Time Breakthroughs
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TheHumungus
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Better to be safe and weigh out your doses accordingly. I would never hit something as potent as DMT(or any psychedelic) without knowing exactly how much the dose is.
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Re: Please be careful [Re: pineninja]
#23714850 - 10/07/16 12:23 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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pineninja said: Just got wind of a friend of a friend whos just been hospitalized. Dmt for weeks 5 times a day with a family history of psycosis and previous issues with the psycs. Been going downhill for about a week convinced himself he was god and was trying to convince others...doing dances that summoned angels and instructions....finished with him walking around in circles with a net telling people to watch and be amazed.... didn't batter an eyelid at the Ambos and took 4 cops to get him under physical control....this is obviously an abuse of this substance and a lack of respect for its potential to screw you up. Done responsibly it's amazing but for many reasons as OP stated please be careful.
I've seen things like that. But the problem had to do with not eating right, or not eating at all.
Many people seem to think that eating, and good nutrition, is just something their parents made them do, that they didn't want to be doing. They wanted to eat lots of sugar - or not eat at all.
Then, when they get to be on their own, they think they don't need to eat - or they eat lots of sugar.
Then, they seem to "flip out" after ingesting Entheogens.
They would have "flipped out" eating that way whether they ingested Entheogens or not.
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