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r.lutece
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Can anyone tell me what happens when you introduce and increase FAE slowly instead of all at once?
#23706860 - 10/04/16 01:26 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm sure many of us know what FrankHorrigan has to say about consolidating bulk subs and its effect on aborts when oxygen is abruptly introduced. For anyone who doesn't, the post to which I refer is quoted below.
If we were to follow his logic, then the pins that aborted did so because the transition to fruiting conditions was too jarring. Has anyone tried slowly introducing and increasing oxygen until FAE level for fruiting conditions was reached, instead of plunging directly into them? If so, what effect(s), if any, did this have one the number of aborts in the flushes? On the harvest weight? Average mushroom size? While the focus of the question is on consolidated tubs, if anyone has tried it with tubs fruited at 100%, I'd be interested in that data as well.
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My two cents on the practical application of consolidating bulk is this:
When I'm fruiting my tubs, I try to avoid aborts whenever possible. I hate the little fuckers, taking up space on my substrate and failing to mature into the beautiful mushroom I know they could be.
Back when I first started working with tubs a lot, I did consolidate everything. The pinsets could end up being quite massive!
But come harvest time, I would find a shitload of my pretty pinset aborted. That sucks.
When colonizing your tub, the RH is near 100%.
Your mycelium needs this (and high CO2 levels) to grow rapidly while it consumes the available substrate. After 100% colonization, the mycelium realizes it has no more food available to it and starts trying to pin. This process of going from "ready" to "pinning" takes a few days to a week depending on what you are working with.
Here is my theory:
By keeping the colonizing conditions (100% RH and high CO2) when your tub is starting to knot up, you are essentially "tricking" the mycelium into thinking that 100% RH and high CO2 levels are what it has to work with.
When you change this abruptly (at the sight of pins, for example) you are going to be making the conditions less ideal for the pinset that has been produced. That leads to a larger number of aborts.
You can certainly get a larger pinset when you consolidate your tubs. I don't have any doubt.
But I've said it before, a larger pinset is not necessarily a better pinset.
For these reasons, I choose to give it fresh air as soon as it is 100% colonized. By doing this I introduce my mycelium to its fruiting conditions as soon as possible. so that it can be "accustomed" to them and fruit as well as it can with what it has got. I hope this makes sense 
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Re: Can anyone tell me what happens when you introduce and increase FAE slowly instead of all at once? [Re: r.lutece]
#23706999 - 10/04/16 02:11 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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A theory is all Frank's got there.
You're over thinking it. Aborts are from shitty conditions and lack of adequate water.
I don't think you can be to "jarring" some people put their tubs in fruiting conditions right away at spawning
At the end of the day you can introduce slowly, quick, right away, or consolidate. If you have good conditions and good genetics you get a canopy regardless
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r.lutece
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Re: Can anyone tell me what happens when you introduce and increase FAE slowly instead of all at once? [Re: bodhisatta]
#23707018 - 10/04/16 02:16 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Might be an interesting experiment to run. Just checking to see if anyone had a similar thought about FAE at any point, but it definitely is just a theory.
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Re: Can anyone tell me what happens when you introduce and increase FAE slowly instead of all at once? [Re: bodhisatta]
#23707036 - 10/04/16 02:20 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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aborts are going to happen anyway.

you can see quite a few 'aborts' with the clusters. no biggie
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Re: Can anyone tell me what happens when you introduce and increase FAE slowly instead of all at once? [Re: r.lutece]
#23707075 - 10/04/16 02:31 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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r.lutece said: Might be an interesting experiment to run. Just checking to see if anyone had a similar thought about FAE at any point, but it definitely is just a theory.
Too hard to control. Their much bigger variables at play that would lead to false attribution to the FAE variable
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