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Help Upping Sub to Field Capacity
    #23706443 - 10/04/16 11:09 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Hey Everyone,
I spawned my first grains to bulk yesterday using the oven coir tek. I cut the recipe in half (325g coir, 1 quart verm, 2.25 quarts water) and didn't realize until after I set up the whole tub that my substrate is not at field capacity. I must have not added quite enough water. I tested on some leftover substrate this morning and it's definitely damp but I can't squeeze any water out of it.

What's my best option for getting more water in there at this point? Should I mist the hell out of it or try to bottom water it somehow?



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Re: Help Upping Sub to Field Capacity [Re: senseit]
    #23706457 - 10/04/16 11:15 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

In my experience you should be over field capacity using that recipe.

Either way it's so close to being just right(with those recipes) that you may as well just go with it now.

I use 650g brick
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I'll use up to two quarts of verm to adjust to field capacity since 4q water always ends up being enough or more than enough


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Re: Help Upping Sub to Field Capacity [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23706514 - 10/04/16 11:32 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

you squeezed it hard and no water came out, and you spawned it, right?

If I did that I would probably mist the ever living fuck out of it and hope for the best.


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Re: Help Upping Sub to Field Capacity [Re: filthyknees]
    #23706524 - 10/04/16 11:36 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

In my experience under field capacity performance is way better than over field capacity. I would just go with it. With the recipe used you'll be close to field capacity anyway, though you're supposed to adjust as needed.


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Re: Help Upping Sub to Field Capacity [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23706544 - 10/04/16 11:43 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Idk how it's close enough to go with if when squeezed zero water came out.


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Re: Help Upping Sub to Field Capacity [Re: filthyknees]
    #23706557 - 10/04/16 11:45 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Still within 90-95% of field capacity. There's a bigger chance to fuck it up more than already is


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Re: Help Upping Sub to Field Capacity [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23706576 - 10/04/16 11:51 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Op isn't asking if he should or should not, he's already determined by feeling the sub that it's not good and was asking what the best way to add moisture is..


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Re: Help Upping Sub to Field Capacity [Re: filthyknees]
    #23706582 - 10/04/16 11:53 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

And my opinion is there isn't a best way to do it now, leave it alone. :shrug:


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Re: Help Upping Sub to Field Capacity [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23706601 - 10/04/16 12:01 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Still within 90-95% of field capacity. There's a bigger chance to fuck it up more than already is




:whathesaid:

Even if it's 85%-95% I would still say your tub is better off if you don't do anything to it at this point.

Some of my best pinsets and first/second flushes have come from tubs that are on the dry side of field capacity.

You can always dunk the tub after flush one to bring back some H2O...


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Re: Help Upping Sub to Field Capacity [Re: filthyknees]
    #23706611 - 10/04/16 12:05 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Idk how it's close enough to go with if when squeezed zero water came out.




Depends on the strength if the person squeezing.

Also depends on how wet the grain spawn was.

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Op isn't asking if he should or should not, he's already determined by feeling the sub that it's not good




HE has nine posts. HE has just spawned his first mini mono. I don't think HE'S qualified to determine that his substrate is dry, particularly when he's followed a recipe that everyone else here follows.

OP, listen to bodhi. Your tub looks fine, it sounds like you did everything fine, at least give it a couple days of colonizing to build up condensation before you go trying to add water to it.


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Re: Help Upping Sub to Field Capacity [Re: jesustripped]
    #23706661 - 10/04/16 12:24 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks to Bodhi and everyone for the responses. I'll leave the sub be and we'll see how it goes!


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Re: Help Upping Sub to Field Capacity [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23706662 - 10/04/16 12:25 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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In my experience under field capacity performance is way better than over field capacity. I would just go with it. With the recipe used you'll be close to field capacity anyway, though you're supposed to adjust as needed.






This is from 1 brick of coir, 2.5 quarts verm, and 4 quarts of water - which is actually drier than your recipe OP.


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Re: Help Upping Sub to Field Capacity [Re: morty422]
    #23706675 - 10/04/16 12:28 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

On the other hand... this is with a bit more than that...  Closer to 4.5 or 5.



:shrug:

There's a pretty big range of "acceptable" moisture content.


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Re: Help Upping Sub to Field Capacity [Re: Inocuole]
    #23706738 - 10/04/16 12:45 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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On the other hand... this is with a bit more than that...  Closer to 4.5 or 5.



:shrug:

There's a pretty big range of "acceptable" moisture content.




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Damn-that's a lot of water Inocuole...
This just goes to show you, OP, that cubes are fucking resilient and are gonna grow if you give them the right conditions.

I think people should be more aware of their fruiting conditions and spawn cleanliness/health than trying to achieve 'perfect field-capacity substrate'.


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Re: Help Upping Sub to Field Capacity [Re: morty422]
    #23706746 - 10/04/16 12:46 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I like big fruits and big fruits need a lot of water.  The sub can be pretty wet if you handle it very... fluffily.


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Re: Help Upping Sub to Field Capacity [Re: Inocuole]
    #23706770 - 10/04/16 12:52 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

i use 4.75 to the dot of water when i do a brick of coco.

also try out the bucket tek. oven tek is old.

painters buckets at big box hardware stores is 5bucks.


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Re: Help Upping Sub to Field Capacity [Re: Inocuole]
    #23706771 - 10/04/16 12:52 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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...fluffily.




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Re: Help Upping Sub to Field Capacity [Re: mushboy]
    #23706778 - 10/04/16 12:56 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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also try out the bucket tek. oven tek is old.





Oh, is it?



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Re: Help Upping Sub to Field Capacity [Re: Inocuole]
    #23706785 - 10/04/16 12:58 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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also try out the bucket tek. oven tek is old.





Oh, is it?



.... Whoops.  Better go take it down.




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Re: Help Upping Sub to Field Capacity [Re: Inocuole]
    #23706789 - 10/04/16 12:59 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Help Upping Sub to Field Capacity [Re: Inocuole]
    #23706791 - 10/04/16 01:00 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

i didnt mean it like that.

'try' the bucket tek.

ive used oven microwave and bucket. i like bucket.


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Re: Help Upping Sub to Field Capacity [Re: Inocuole]
    #23706792 - 10/04/16 01:00 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)



650g brick eco earth
2quarts verm
4quarts water
Drier than OPs


Using an oven for substrate or anything mycology related other than dry heat sterilization of glass petri dishes is stupid in my eyes.


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Re: Help Upping Sub to Field Capacity [Re: mushboy]
    #23706799 - 10/04/16 01:02 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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i didnt mean it like that.

'try' the bucket tek.

ive used oven microwave and bucket. i like bucket.





I started with the bucket, it's good.  :shrug:


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Re: Help Upping Sub to Field Capacity [Re: Inocuole]
    #23706800 - 10/04/16 01:02 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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:shotsfired:



I feel like Inocuole, Bodhi and myself have been jumping to the same 3-4 threads 1/2 trolling for about 20 minutes now...

It's gonna be a good day...

Also Inoc-you should hit your tubs with PG instead of VG. It's a disinfectant...

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Re: Help Upping Sub to Field Capacity [Re: morty422]
    #23706807 - 10/04/16 01:04 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

your trolling went to far. now im upset. :unwanted:

back to OP. i think the point is your tub will be ok :wink:


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    #23706812 - 10/04/16 01:06 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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back to OP. i think the point is your tub will be ok :wink:




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Re: Help Upping Sub to Field Capacity [Re: morty422]
    #23706822 - 10/04/16 01:08 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

All of my grows are using the bucket TEK.


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Re: Help Upping Sub to Field Capacity [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23706833 - 10/04/16 01:13 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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All of my grows are using the bucket TEK.




All of mine are bucket-ed as well. It's too easy and I can do 6-7 at a time with minimal effort.

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Re: Help Upping Sub to Field Capacity [Re: morty422]
    #23708112 - 10/04/16 08:50 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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All of mine are bucket-ed as well. It's too easy and I can do 6-7 at a time with minimal effort.

I'm all about being lazy... It's kind of my thing...




I know about the bucket tek, but Inocuole convinced me when he said :eek:

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Coir doesn't give a shit what you do to it, which is why I'm breaking conventions by using the oven in the first place.  It likes being cooked.





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Re: Help Upping Sub to Field Capacity [Re: senseit]
    #23708121 - 10/04/16 08:53 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Ovens cook for shit. That's why it takes an hour at 350F to dry heat sterilize. Or at 350F two hours later your Turkey is barely 140F internal.

Unless you start with hot coir it takes too long to heat up in an oven. And an oven doesn't have the same thermal capacitance. Can't beat the bucket


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Re: Help Upping Sub to Field Capacity [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23708194 - 10/04/16 09:14 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I used his oven coir tek for my current two tubs, and they are doing excellent.  I did use boiling water to hydrate them.  First time I've used it and it's pretty fucking easy.

One of those tubs is no holes (bodhisata), and it's doing just as good as the slighty modified regular tub.  I put my top holes in the lid instead, and a 1/4 inch hole where each top hole is supposed to be.
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Re: Help Upping Sub to Field Capacity [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23708551 - 10/04/16 11:26 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Unless you start with hot coir it takes too long to heat up in an oven. And an oven doesn't have the same thermal capacitance. Can't beat the bucket




The tek calls for pouring boiling water over the coir into the turkey bag then cooking in the oven at 200 for 80 minutes. Are you suggesting that the cooking isn't doing anything or just that ovens suck?


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Re: Help Upping Sub to Field Capacity [Re: senseit]
    #23708558 - 10/04/16 11:29 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

If it's already heated you just need an insulator so a bucket is awesome. I use an igloo water cooler. Why bother with the oven.

If you for some reason have hydrated coir that needs treatment you may as well load in jars and sterilize it rather than pasteurize


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Re: Help Upping Sub to Field Capacity [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23708905 - 10/05/16 05:05 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Bod I'm about to take you out back for a caning....

You COULD insulate the bag and just let the temp taper, OR you could let it hang around 190-200F for an hour, THEN taper off, while insulated in the oven, because, you know, those things have pretty good insulation built in.  It's just more heat, without actually going to the trouble of PCing it.  We all know you could pour boiling water on the coir and use it right then.  We also know you can PC it at 20psi.  Therefore any in betweens are basically fine, some more convenient than others.


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Re: Help Upping Sub to Field Capacity [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23708906 - 10/05/16 05:06 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I thought cooking it in the oven would help the myc eat it easier


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Re: Help Upping Sub to Field Capacity [Re: Kenetic]
    #23709149 - 10/05/16 07:52 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

If you're throwing boiling water on your coir why waist the energy putting it in the oven when all it really needs is an insulated bucket


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Re: Help Upping Sub to Field Capacity [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23709167 - 10/05/16 07:59 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Because I LIKE IT.  And also because my buckets found other uses over time and I wanted it to be a little hotter for longer.  Don't you have some spores to LC threads you could be raining hell upon?


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Re: Help Upping Sub to Field Capacity [Re: Inocuole]
    #23711195 - 10/05/16 07:48 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Because I LIKE IT.  And also because my buckets found other uses over time and I wanted it to be a little hotter for longer.  Don't you have some spores to LC threads you could be raining hell upon?




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Re: Help Upping Sub to Field Capacity [Re: morty422]
    #23711209 - 10/05/16 07:52 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I'm just saying... bod's cutting remarks are probably better suited to almost anything other than discussing what things are acceptable to do to coir, since coir doesn't care.


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Re: Help Upping Sub to Field Capacity [Re: Inocuole]
    #23711794 - 10/05/16 11:22 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Exactly coir don't care. So especially no ovens on my end :lol:


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