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senseit
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Help Upping Sub to Field Capacity
#23706443 - 10/04/16 11:09 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hey Everyone, I spawned my first grains to bulk yesterday using the oven coir tek. I cut the recipe in half (325g coir, 1 quart verm, 2.25 quarts water) and didn't realize until after I set up the whole tub that my substrate is not at field capacity. I must have not added quite enough water. I tested on some leftover substrate this morning and it's definitely damp but I can't squeeze any water out of it.
What's my best option for getting more water in there at this point? Should I mist the hell out of it or try to bottom water it somehow?
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Re: Help Upping Sub to Field Capacity [Re: senseit]
#23706457 - 10/04/16 11:15 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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In my experience you should be over field capacity using that recipe.
Either way it's so close to being just right(with those recipes) that you may as well just go with it now.
I use 650g brick 1-2 q verm 4q water I'll use up to two quarts of verm to adjust to field capacity since 4q water always ends up being enough or more than enough
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filthyknees
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Re: Help Upping Sub to Field Capacity [Re: bodhisatta]
#23706514 - 10/04/16 11:32 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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you squeezed it hard and no water came out, and you spawned it, right?
If I did that I would probably mist the ever living fuck out of it and hope for the best.
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Re: Help Upping Sub to Field Capacity [Re: filthyknees]
#23706524 - 10/04/16 11:36 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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In my experience under field capacity performance is way better than over field capacity. I would just go with it. With the recipe used you'll be close to field capacity anyway, though you're supposed to adjust as needed.
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filthyknees
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Re: Help Upping Sub to Field Capacity [Re: bodhisatta]
#23706544 - 10/04/16 11:43 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Idk how it's close enough to go with if when squeezed zero water came out.
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Re: Help Upping Sub to Field Capacity [Re: filthyknees]
#23706557 - 10/04/16 11:45 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Still within 90-95% of field capacity. There's a bigger chance to fuck it up more than already is
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filthyknees
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Re: Help Upping Sub to Field Capacity [Re: bodhisatta]
#23706576 - 10/04/16 11:51 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Op isn't asking if he should or should not, he's already determined by feeling the sub that it's not good and was asking what the best way to add moisture is..
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Re: Help Upping Sub to Field Capacity [Re: filthyknees]
#23706582 - 10/04/16 11:53 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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And my opinion is there isn't a best way to do it now, leave it alone.
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morty422
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Re: Help Upping Sub to Field Capacity [Re: bodhisatta]
#23706601 - 10/04/16 12:01 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: Still within 90-95% of field capacity. There's a bigger chance to fuck it up more than already is

Even if it's 85%-95% I would still say your tub is better off if you don't do anything to it at this point.
Some of my best pinsets and first/second flushes have come from tubs that are on the dry side of field capacity.
You can always dunk the tub after flush one to bring back some H2O...
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Re: Help Upping Sub to Field Capacity [Re: filthyknees]
#23706611 - 10/04/16 12:05 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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filthyknees said: Idk how it's close enough to go with if when squeezed zero water came out.
Depends on the strength if the person squeezing.
Also depends on how wet the grain spawn was.
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filthyknees said: Op isn't asking if he should or should not, he's already determined by feeling the sub that it's not good
HE has nine posts. HE has just spawned his first mini mono. I don't think HE'S qualified to determine that his substrate is dry, particularly when he's followed a recipe that everyone else here follows.
OP, listen to bodhi. Your tub looks fine, it sounds like you did everything fine, at least give it a couple days of colonizing to build up condensation before you go trying to add water to it.
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Re: Help Upping Sub to Field Capacity [Re: jesustripped]
#23706661 - 10/04/16 12:24 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thanks to Bodhi and everyone for the responses. I'll leave the sub be and we'll see how it goes!
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morty422
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Re: Help Upping Sub to Field Capacity [Re: bodhisatta]
#23706662 - 10/04/16 12:25 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: In my experience under field capacity performance is way better than over field capacity. I would just go with it. With the recipe used you'll be close to field capacity anyway, though you're supposed to adjust as needed.

This is from 1 brick of coir, 2.5 quarts verm, and 4 quarts of water - which is actually drier than your recipe OP.
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Re: Help Upping Sub to Field Capacity [Re: morty422]
#23706675 - 10/04/16 12:28 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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On the other hand... this is with a bit more than that... Closer to 4.5 or 5.


There's a pretty big range of "acceptable" moisture content.
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Re: Help Upping Sub to Field Capacity [Re: Inocuole]
#23706738 - 10/04/16 12:45 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Inocuole said: On the other hand... this is with a bit more than that... Closer to 4.5 or 5.


There's a pretty big range of "acceptable" moisture content.

Damn-that's a lot of water Inocuole... This just goes to show you, OP, that cubes are fucking resilient and are gonna grow if you give them the right conditions.
I think people should be more aware of their fruiting conditions and spawn cleanliness/health than trying to achieve 'perfect field-capacity substrate'.
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Re: Help Upping Sub to Field Capacity [Re: morty422]
#23706746 - 10/04/16 12:46 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I like big fruits and big fruits need a lot of water. The sub can be pretty wet if you handle it very... fluffily.
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Re: Help Upping Sub to Field Capacity [Re: Inocuole]
#23706770 - 10/04/16 12:52 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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i use 4.75 to the dot of water when i do a brick of coco.
also try out the bucket tek. oven tek is old.
painters buckets at big box hardware stores is 5bucks.
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morty422
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Re: Help Upping Sub to Field Capacity [Re: Inocuole]
#23706771 - 10/04/16 12:52 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Inocuole said: ...fluffily.

New mush cult word of the day!
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Inocuole
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Re: Help Upping Sub to Field Capacity [Re: mushboy]
#23706778 - 10/04/16 12:56 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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mushboy said: also try out the bucket tek. oven tek is old.
Oh, is it?

.... Whoops. Better go take it down.
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morty422
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Re: Help Upping Sub to Field Capacity [Re: Inocuole]
#23706785 - 10/04/16 12:58 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Inocuole said:
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mushboy said: also try out the bucket tek. oven tek is old.
Oh, is it?

.... Whoops. Better go take it down.
Shots fired.
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Re: Help Upping Sub to Field Capacity [Re: Inocuole]
#23706789 - 10/04/16 12:59 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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