Home | Community | Message Board


This site includes paid links. Please support our sponsors.


Welcome to the Shroomery Message Board! You are experiencing a small sample of what the site has to offer. Please login or register to post messages and view our exclusive members-only content. You'll gain access to additional forums, file attachments, board customizations, encrypted private messages, and much more!

Shop: Unfolding Nature Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order   Amanita Muscaria Store Amanita Extract   Mushroom-Hut Mono Tub Substrate

Jump to first unread post Pages: 1
Some of these posts are very old and might contain outdated information. You may wish to search for newer posts instead.
OfflineNavidson
That Guy
 User Gallery


Registered: 03/20/16
Posts: 136
Last seen: 5 years, 8 months
Impact of adderall on the effectiveness psylocibin micro-dosing
    #23706227 - 10/04/16 09:53 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Greetings all,

      For the vast majority of you who have not read my previous posts, I am currently following the guidelines for micro-dosing laid out by Dr. Fadiman. That is to say that I dose every third day. My interest is in the effects of moderate to long term use of psylocibin, particularly in mood response and mental stability.

In my recent endeavor to keep subjective data from my experiences while micro-dosing I have begun taking other medications within my dosing schedule. These are not intended to augment the psylocibin, but become necessary for my success as a student during the semester. These medications are clonazepam and Adderall. Since the introduction of these medication there has been a marked reduction in the effect of psilocybin micro-doses.

It has occurred to me that Clonazepam was the culprit. Benzodiazepines have been known to have restrictive affect on tryptamines and in this case my 1 mg pill would have been more than powerful enough to cancel out the psilocybin. However, suspecting this I decided to forgo the clonazempam for several weeks.

During this time period my use of Adderall has remained consistent. Taking as little as 10 mg of Adderall on a day I am microdosing seems to remove effect of the microdose, and on some days I would go so far as to say that my mood has been depressed from my baseline. Adderall in and of itself has a slightly destabilizing effect on mood from building up a 'serotonin debt', or the moodiness many of you may feel during the come down period. While combining psilocyibin and adderal the dysphoric feeling I have recorded feels different from the normal adderall moodiness.

Having cut out the psilocybin I have noticed an improvement in mood. One could suggest that this is a sign that psilocybin begun  negative effect over time. However the effects were so positive before the introduction of adderall and the change was so sudden that, in my mind at least, the adderall must have had an impact. I need the medication for the remainder of the semmester and am considering cutting my experiment short until it ends in December.

Do any of you have any anecdotal evidence either supporting or refuting my experience? I am also looking for those with a good understanding of the pharmacology behind how these chemicals work who could explain a possible interaction to me.

If you have read all of this, thank you for your time.
Have you noticed an adderall having an effect on psilocybin?
You may choose only one


Votes accepted from (10/04/16 06:52 AM) to (No end specified)
View the results of this poll



--------------------
“Passion has little to do with euphoria and everything to do with patience. It is not about feeling good. It is about endurance. Like patience, passion comes from the same Latin root: pati. It does not mean to flow with exuberance. It means to suffer.”
- MZD



Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleThe Blind Ass
Bodhi
I'm a teapot User Gallery


Registered: 08/16/16
Posts: 26,658
Loc: The Primordial Mind
Re: Impact of adderall on the effectiveness psylocibin micro-dosing [Re: Navidson]
    #23707200 - 10/04/16 03:06 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

You will gain nothing noble with what your doing with the way your doing it, just some really bad habits and a whole lot of tax/debt you will have to suffer through.  To many factors involved, basic elements of figuring causations will fall into the realm of mere correlations.  If you take the time to just think through your Question you wouldnt even ask it. You would know. pz.


--------------------
Give me Liberty caps -or- give me Death caps


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineNavidson
That Guy
 User Gallery


Registered: 03/20/16
Posts: 136
Last seen: 5 years, 8 months
Re: Impact of adderall on the effectiveness psylocibin micro-dosing [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #23708013 - 10/04/16 08:21 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Thank you for your response. In its' current form it is entirely unhelpful. Please expand on your thoughts if you have criticisms. When using vague, holier-than-though rhetoric your message will be mostly lost.


--------------------
“Passion has little to do with euphoria and everything to do with patience. It is not about feeling good. It is about endurance. Like patience, passion comes from the same Latin root: pati. It does not mean to flow with exuberance. It means to suffer.”
- MZD



Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleThe Blind Ass
Bodhi
I'm a teapot User Gallery


Registered: 08/16/16
Posts: 26,658
Loc: The Primordial Mind
Re: Impact of adderall on the effectiveness psylocibin micro-dosing [Re: Navidson]
    #23708524 - 10/04/16 11:14 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

OK, I was too familiar -forgive me.  Ontop of psilocybin (which will temporarily deplete/reduce vital neurotransmitters ) You have added another - Amphetamine salts... this is a habit forming substance to mammals, as is Clonazepam a sedative/benzo.  All 3 will tax certain NT's, and amphet and psilo some of the same ones, drawing you lower and lower on a graph away from the normal range of fluctuations in a sober persons brain/body or someone who uses a psychoactive substance sparingly. 

Besides the eventual addiction that would happen (would take a good while but it would happen) You will feel the negative effects of having non homeostatic type levels of NT's and the effects would manifest as a whole array of different symptoms... leading to wanting more of a substance, or leading to more time spent recovering from said substances or just feeling anxieties, depressions, extreme fatigue, inability to focus (more than u already have) , and an inability to sleep , a mix of all these happening once tolerance sets in leads to a host of new symtpoms and the eventual eruption of withdrawal symptoms upon stopping, it sucks. 

Plus Youll probobly mix up correlation for causation and that just sucks for everyone if you mislead them accidently bc u dont know yourself.  Eh'  wish you wouldnt have to take something to get up and something to put you down, but its your life. 

Even in prescribed doses eventually shit changes, everythings always changes in time.  Good luck...maybe youll get hit by the stick of insight and wake up to your natural abilities and try and hone them without taking substances which will eventually make you less then you started with.


--------------------
Give me Liberty caps -or- give me Death caps


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleThe Blind Ass
Bodhi
I'm a teapot User Gallery


Registered: 08/16/16
Posts: 26,658
Loc: The Primordial Mind
Re: Impact of adderall on the effectiveness psylocibin micro-dosing [Re: Navidson]
    #23708542 - 10/04/16 11:23 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Try this on for size.. live by those quotes in your sig...take special note of the ones already doing it right... such as maybe just for example Zen Buddhist monks or Benedictine Catholic Monks ...No not the religious part - but the training - the spartan like training - training their bodies and minds .

  waking up early always , living clean always, eating healthy always, meditating always, working with all theyv got always, honing themselvs like sharpening a knife Day by Day till an outsider thinks their special but really they are just  normal and healthy with strict Disipline.  and when failing always learning from it and getting back to it again the next day without getting stuck.

They forgo extreme luxuries to strengthen body and mind and in doing so being strong as opposed to those gloated on luxury who become dependent on them for up keeping their performances in life and their so called happiness.

Most people dont want to hear that, because you know what it means already.


“Passion has little to do with euphoria and everything to do with patience. It is not about feeling good. It is about endurance. Like patience, passion comes from the same Latin root: pati. It does not mean to flow with exuberance. It means to suffer.”
- MZD

If there is a single lesson that life teaches us, it's that wishing does not make it so. Words and thoughts don't change anything. Language and reality are kept strictly apart- reality is tough, unyielding stuff, and it doesn't care what you think or feel or say about it... You deal with it and you get on with your life. Little children don't know that. Magical thinking: that's what Freud called it. Once we learn otherwise we cease to be children."
-Lev Grossman


--------------------
Give me Liberty caps -or- give me Death caps


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineNavidson
That Guy
 User Gallery


Registered: 03/20/16
Posts: 136
Last seen: 5 years, 8 months
Re: Impact of adderall on the effectiveness psylocibin micro-dosing [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #23721441 - 10/09/16 08:34 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Just wanted to point out that I appreciate the thought you put into this response. Been busy with classes, but will reply soon.


--------------------
“Passion has little to do with euphoria and everything to do with patience. It is not about feeling good. It is about endurance. Like patience, passion comes from the same Latin root: pati. It does not mean to flow with exuberance. It means to suffer.”
- MZD



Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblelittlespider
spider
Female User Gallery

Registered: 05/21/14
Posts: 496
Loc: UK
Re: Impact of adderall on the effectiveness psylocibin micro-dosing [Re: Navidson]
    #23721452 - 10/09/16 08:40 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Following. ..


--------------------
remember what the dormouse said


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Jump to top Pages: 1

Shop: Unfolding Nature Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order   Amanita Muscaria Store Amanita Extract   Mushroom-Hut Mono Tub Substrate


Similar ThreadsPosterViewsRepliesLast post
* High dose tripping essentials
( 1 2 3 all )
Redo 11,711 55 06/23/04 04:46 PM
by hawk
* FAQ 6. What size dose should I take? RoseM 23,166 13 12/05/04 02:24 PM
by Rose
* what are the long term effects of shrooms?
( 1 2 all )
austin_72283 266,659 38 12/21/12 01:44 PM
by allseeingike
* Who has dosed one oz of shrooms here?
( 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 all )
Cracka_X 11,594 142 10/29/20 03:31 PM
by MushroomMomo
* long- term effects mmmpie 1,419 7 07/18/03 08:08 PM
by TheHobbit
* Super-low doses everyday
( 1 2 all )
Tonearm 8,328 28 11/11/12 09:05 AM
by nicechrisman
* Does milk or cheese inhibit psylocibin? dannycorona82 2,049 16 10/20/03 07:08 AM
by Wizzang
* WHO HAS EXTRACTED PSYLOCIBIN WITH TARTARIC ACID???? trev 1,357 1 04/16/03 08:36 AM
by mjshroomer

Extra information
You cannot start new topics / You cannot reply to topics
HTML is disabled / BBCode is enabled
Moderator: psilocybinjunkie, Rose, mushboy, LogicaL Chaos, Northerner, bodhisatta
626 topic views. 2 members, 34 guests and 25 web crawlers are browsing this forum.
[ Show Images Only | Sort by Score | Print Topic ]
Search this thread:

Copyright 1997-2024 Mind Media. Some rights reserved.

Generated in 0.063 seconds spending 0.044 seconds on 20 queries.