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Re: Why do people hate the police? [Re: Patlal]
    #23704635 - 10/03/16 06:42 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Cause they fuck peoples lives up, they murder innocent cause "they thought they had a gun", give tickets and make us spend shit tons of money on courts and fines, power hungry, trigger-happy assholes who only care about their lives and no one elses.

Corrupt cops are the worst. Patlal, its obvious u have never interacted with a cop.




My step father is a cop and my mother has been with him for close to 20 years.
My aunt is a stenographer
My mother works as a prison guard and court house guard
Family friends include lawyers and a judge.

I have been pulled over a few times. I've been interrogated a few times about a case, but I've never been stupid enough to get caught with something on me.

I'm fully aware of the system.



If they weren't willing to turn a blind eye to your lifestyle/be slightly corrupt maybe you would have a different opinion....I have lived with a couple of cops and even had a relationship with one many moons ago.


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Re: Why do people hate the police? [Re: pineninja] * 3
    #23704840 - 10/03/16 07:46 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

people hate the police because they are the most visible feature of the current state of affairs that makes people want to hate them, namely a broken economy, a broken government, a broken justice system in which even the best individuals are forced to do evil while the worst relish in it, and lingering, deeply embedded racism. indeed, the first american cops (as we know them) were members of slave patrols. we're talking centuries of brutality. and when most people see cops, at least some - if not all - of those things come to mind. it doesn't take a genius to see why anyone would hate the cops; it certainly doesn't make anyone a fool for doing so either.

what baffles me is cop groupies. it's one thing to respect the role that police play in society, but something entirely different to outright worship the cops themselves. that has to stem from some sort of widespread, sociological mutation of stockholm syndrome. it would not be surprising to find that a lot of police states have these minorities of cop groupies who just fucking love the gestapo because at some really deep level their society has successfully implanted that blind infatuation as a coping mechanism.

that said, hating cops isn't really getting us anywhere. we need cops. we just don't need an occupying force that pretends to be cops while enforcing ill conceived, massively destructive policies that make a mockery of our most treasured ideals.


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Re: Why do people hate the police? [Re: millzy]
    #23704883 - 10/03/16 08:02 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)



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Re: Why do people hate the police? [Re: millzy]
    #23705051 - 10/03/16 09:12 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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what baffles me is cop groupies. it's one thing to respect the role that police play in society, but something entirely different to outright worship the cops themselves. that has to stem from some sort of widespread, sociological mutation of stockholm syndrome. it would not be surprising to find that a lot of police states have these minorities of cop groupies who just fucking love the gestapo because at some really deep level their society has successfully implanted that blind infatuation as a coping mechanism.





I thought this was very well-worded.  :thumbup:

To me, it seems like most people fall into one of the two extreme camps - most either worship cops like "groupies", or they downright hate them. 


My opinion on them is in the middle.  I respect most of them.  I think most of them mean well, but some of the laws they enforce are immoral.  So to me it's partially a question of to what extent ignorance excuses one's actions.


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Re: Why do people hate the police? [Re: Patlal]
    #23705064 - 10/03/16 09:17 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I strongly disagree with the argument that it's your fault if you get arrested for a drug-related crime or nonviolent activity.

First of all, surveillance is so prevalent that it's hard not to leave "breadcrumbs."  Even if you don't leave crumbs, they can fabricate an excuse to search your pantry on a whim if they just get an odd feeling about you.


Secondly, the fact that "you knew it was against the law" holds no weight.  The law is a set of commandments that men write down on paper.  If I write you a note telling you that I'm going to mug you if you walk down a certain street at night, that doesn't mean that you had it coming, or that it was your fault, when I mug you because you walked down that street in violation of my orders.

With that said, I don't hate cops.  But the OP arguments for why cops shouldn't be hated were really shitty in my opinion.


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Re: Why do people hate the police? [Re: Celestial Traveler]
    #23705096 - 10/03/16 09:31 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

The enforcement of really really bad laws doesn't engender warm fuzzy feelings OP.

Also,
I was once pulled over for going too fast on a street that had no speed limit sign, I asked why I was pulled over
in kind of an irritated voice because I thought I hadn't done anything wrong, so they called for back up, had a dog
sniff the vehicle.  The dog brought next to the
car sat as still as a stone making no indications and they said the dog smelled drugs.  I had no drugs, they dumped out
the contents of the vehicle like a hurricane hit it and broke my mirror in the process, then suspended my license
without cause, which caused me to be late for a job that if your late too many times your fired, period end of story,
doesn't matter why.  Ok basically all this happened because I didn't talk to the cop in a nice cheery way.
I was looking a bit hippy like in a corn belt state too, that was part of it.


I once saw I guy get his RV towed which he lived in, he was in a quiet industrial area, not bothering anyone.  His tags
were expired.  Guy gets all his worldly possessions impounded and is now on the streets.  I asked the cop why they
were taking everything the guy had, just some poor dude on his last dime.  The cop said robotically,
I'm just doing my job. 

Etc. Etc.  most cops have been fairly nice to me, only when I'm nice to them.


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Re: Why do people hate the police? [Re: invitro]
    #23705118 - 10/03/16 09:38 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

People hate the police because they're power hungry, the only reason somebody even goes into that kind of job is to acquire some kind of power. They then use that power to punish citizens, while at the same time breaking similar laws themselves or being cool about their buddies breaking laws.


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Re: Why do people hate the police? [Re: invitro]
    #23705195 - 10/03/16 10:02 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I don't hate cops but I have zero respect for them...

One night after a chill social night out I was driving my very intoxicated friend home, I myself had 3 beers over the course of about 4 hours, I was perfectly fine to drive. I get pulled over because "the light above my license plate was out" which is their bullshit excuse to pull people over. Young fresh out of the academy cop pulls me over and asks if I have been drinking and I tell him yeah I had 3 beers over the course of the night and I was just driving my friend home. Well he makes me do a field sobriety test anyways which I did flawlessly (it's on video). He makes me blow anyway and somehow I blew a .084 and of all the stories people have told me, unless they blow way over, the cop usually lets them get home, especially after they do a perfectly good sobriety test. But not this fucking piece of shit cop! He arrests me for a dui which I easily got dropped to careless driving but it was still a hassle and bullshit to begin with.

Here's the best part. My friend about 2 months later gets pulled over one night after drinking because his dumbass didn't turn his headlights on. The same cop pulls my friend over and apparently they were a year apart in high school so they kind of knew each other. He gives him a sobriety test and my friend somehow does decent during this test but not good enough to just get let go. So this piece of shit says quote unquote "If you don't blow too much over I'll let you go tonight" Well my friend blows a fucking .224 or something like that, he was like 3 times the legal limit so of course he got a dui.

But the shit that pisses me off is the cop said if he didn't blow "too much over" he would let him go. WELL I BLEW .004 OVER AND HE ARRESTED ME! And I did waaaaaaaay better on my sobriety test. Then he almost lets my friend go and he was 3 times over the legal limit. What a piece of fucking garbage.


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Re: Why do people hate the police? [Re: Patlal]
    #23705216 - 10/03/16 10:08 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

id tell you my opinion but i am to lazy to type it all.
some times they are cool some times they are ass holes.

i had my jaw broke once and i went to the cops to make a report and they started making fun of me. i tried to call the station and they ignored my call. i had to call my attorney and he got them to make the report.

In my area if you call the police station they ignore you they never pick up. i tried to report some pervert that was coming in my building and looking in kids rooms once and i stayed on the line on hold for 45 mins. not even once did they pick up.

some times their cool some times they are ass holes

when they are ass holes its like fuck the police fucking pigs

here in la they used to be so much worse they chilled a lot more.

i do a conspiracy video blog and i am always looking for stuff i find a lot of police shooting and police corruption

this is not my blog but i get lots of stories from them. keep up with this blog and you will see why people think so ill of police.
http://countercurrentnews.com/


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Re: Why do people hate the police? [Re: LosAngelesGraff] * 1
    #23705233 - 10/03/16 10:14 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Well im a girl and i live inthe UK. I know many are rotton eggs so to speak, but ive had almost nothing but positive experiences with police here. All smiles and waves hahaha.

Well, i was arrested wrongfully, twice. They tried to scare me too as i look much younger than i am, locked me in a car one cop trying to interrogate me. Was amusing. Only kinda wasnt if i wasnt older and mature  enough to know the way of things :shrug:

Cops in usa seem way ott from what i see on tv, but hard to know how much is true,

I know i wouldnt want their job here in uk with the people they seem to contend with every night, not enough money in the world.


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Re: Why do people hate the police? [Re: FruitOfLife]
    #23705240 - 10/03/16 10:15 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

It's a power thing, if they feel u offended them in anyway they will make u pay for it to make up for their fragile egos.

I got stopped by a cop many years ago while I was walking, the dude thought I was fucking with him while he was padding me down, but I was just scared. and like out of no where kicks me on the side of my leg and I almost did the splits, dude looked like a straight up nazi. Anyway I saw him a few years later while I was in court for some other shit, he was parked in front of the court, and the dude had one of those brand new chargers, bastard got promoted. That's what they do, they promote the most violent cops.


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Re: Why do people hate the police? [Re: zZZz] * 1
    #23705254 - 10/03/16 10:19 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Not sure why it hasnt been said yet. Fuck the police.

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Re: Why do people hate the police? [Re: Spellbound]
    #23705277 - 10/03/16 10:25 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Well im a girl and i live inthe UK. I know many are rotton eggs so to speak, but ive had almost nothing but positive experiences with police here. All smiles and waves hahaha.




Police in other countries tend to be alright peeps. They tend to be more friendly, less abrasive, more polite, more approachable, and basically more like normal decent people.

Cops in some other countries by contrast tend to be more authoritarian and treat us like we are the lowest in chain-of-command in the military or something. Which probably stems from the fact that a lot of cops were once military.


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Re: Why do people hate the police? [Re: Crystal G]
    #23705294 - 10/03/16 10:30 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

That said, theyre not all good over here. I do remember one chatting with me, was kinda a mate a long time ago, and he told me if he wants to batter a guy down, he just needs to shout 'stop resisting' while doing so, so if any witnesses, thats what theyll remember :facepalm: wtf lol. Just remembered that haha


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Re: Why do people hate the police? [Re: Spellbound]
    #23705349 - 10/03/16 10:48 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Some cops are pricks but some are cool.

People hate the police because they feel as if saying "yo yo yo got da money got da drugs yo yo yo fuck da police yo yo yo" is normal


I've had plenty of somewhat positive interactions with the cops before, including one instance of a cop giving me good directions to help find my lost car in Chicago which worked really well. That dude was cool as fuck. I've also had some cops be hella dicks before. As long as you respect them they usually respect you back though, they are human and all.

Usually when people say "ALL THE POLICE ARE TERRIBLE TERRIBLE PEOPLE FUCK ALL OF THEM I HATE THEM" they also happen to have a very extremist and naive set of opinions about a lot of things.

If i'm in the ghetto, police generally make me feel kinda safer, even if they can be unsettling to be around sometime


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Re: Why do people hate the police? [Re: Patlal] * 2
    #23705370 - 10/03/16 10:55 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Police are human beings like everyone else, and that's exactly the problem. Like everyone, there are a lot of nice, good police. But also like everyone, there are a lot of police who are complete assholes, corrupt, stupid, ignorant, racist, domineering, and that get off on busting people's balls. The difference between normal people and the police is that the police have power over others. A lot of power.

Give a lot of power to someone who is a nice, good guy, and you'll get a safe community. Give a lot of power to a stupid, corrupt, racist asshole, and you're going to have problems. Unfortunately, we've given power to both, and I don't know of any way for us to weed out the good cops from the bad cops.

And then of course there are bad laws, and selectively enforced laws, and unnecessary uses of violence while enforcing laws, etc. etc.


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Re: Why do people hate the police? [Re: nooneman]
    #23705376 - 10/03/16 10:57 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Why do people hate the police? [Re: nooneman]
    #23705410 - 10/03/16 11:09 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Police are human beings like everyone else, and that's exactly the problem. Like everyone, there are a lot of nice, good police. But also like everyone, there are a lot of police who are complete assholes, corrupt, stupid, ignorant, racist, domineering, and that get off on busting people's balls. The difference between normal people and the police is that the police have power over others. A lot of power.

Give a lot of power to someone who is a nice, good guy, and you'll get a safe community. Give a lot of power to a stupid, corrupt, racist asshole, and you're going to have problems. Unfortunately, we've given power to both, and I don't know of any way for us to weed out the good cops from the bad cops.

And then of course there are bad laws, and selectively enforced laws, and unnecessary uses of violence while enforcing laws, etc. etc.



It would be a tough job for a nice guy, but it would be easy and attractive to assholes hence the disproportionate amount of asshole cops imo.


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Re: Why do people hate the police? [Re: pineninja]
    #23705677 - 10/04/16 02:55 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I live in Australia and I like our Police. I'm pretty much the only guy in this country that doesn't disrespect them LOL.

I don't do overly illegal things, I'm a happy person, the country is stable. Why have a go at cops?

Even if I get busted with mushrooms one day I'll just accept it. Which I guess is what OP is sayin'.

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Re: Why do people hate the police? [Re: beforethedawn]
    #23705835 - 10/04/16 06:33 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Because they give you tickets for bullshit and mess with your boardgame characters, also they always side with the ruling class against us proles, even though they are being exploited same as us.

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