|
Anonymous #1
|
Seeking legal advice, friend of mine got seriously fucked over by the local hospital
#23704376 - 10/03/16 05:14 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
|
|
So a good friend of mine just told me this story and I feel I need to try to do something, it seems like borderline medical malpractice/extortion. It could easily be a newsworthy story in my eyes, but I doubt she'd opt for that route.
So she had been at a bar one night, only had two drinks (can handle her alcohol) and everything after that is a "blackout." Next thing she knows she is at home with a cup of ice, a shirt that isn't hers, and feeling oddly. Her room-mate finds her in this condition and becomes extremely concerned, it sounded like the roomate may have snapped her out of a stupor and pointed all this out to her for the first time, and so my friend gets really freaked out and goes to the hospital to see if she's been drugged/raped/etc.
I know going to the hospital might not be the best place but I can see why she did, spur of the moment, absolutely terrified/sick about what might have happened, needing answers, whatever. So she gets there and tells them what happened, saying she needs to be rested for roofinol (roofies) and likely that she needed to get her vag swabbed. (didn't ask for specifics here)
So they take her blood, her urine, and then she ends up in a room with a doctor. This doctor essentially assumes that she just got way too drunk last night, accuses her of being an alcoholic and informs her that the blood and urine the nurses just took cannot be used to test for the presence of roofies.
So in the end, she leaves the hospital with three thousand dollars in medical bills, NO answers as to whether she was drugged, raped, nothing. She just got a lecture about not drinking alone, they treated her like it was her fault. (which hey, maybe it kinda was, but that is NOT a physicians place) Is ignoring rape, not helping a patient, and billing them while doing it medical malpractice or being accessory to a crime???
They didn't even fucking test her for the presence of date rape drugs, didn't swab her vagina for semen, they just treated her like shit, extorted her for thousands of dollars, and showed her the door. There was no talk about police involvement. I wish it happened more recently or I'd be down there asking that bartender some fucking questions.
Its got me fairly emotional as you can likely tell, I would be SO grateful for any advice on how to help the situation. It really seems to me that at the least they should have paid for there own mistake and not stuck her with a 3k bill for doing NOTHING other than exasperating her already emotional state.
|
Moabfighter
Tam Fighter


Registered: 12/13/15
Posts: 2,710
|
Re: Seeking legal advice, friend of mine got seriously fucked over by the local hospital [Re: Anonymous #1]
#23714711 - 10/06/16 11:09 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
|
|
I'm a male and not a female. And I'm not trying to joke around at all, please don't think I am.
Usually after sex, my wiener feels like I just had sex. Somewhat sore, feels used, etc...
Unless a chick has a wide open cooch, or the man has a teeny weenie, can the woman not tell by the way her cooch feels if she has had something inside it or not?
Not trying to brag by any means, but my wife always feels it the next day. Always.
-------------------- KSSS And PE WBS.
|
Drmushrooms
Stranger


Registered: 11/20/14
Posts: 14
|
Re: Seeking legal advice, friend of mine got seriously fucked over by the local hospital [Re: Moabfighter]
#23714787 - 10/06/16 11:46 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
|
|
Don't lie you're trying to brag. Lmao
|
Anonymous #1
|
Re: Seeking legal advice, friend of mine got seriously fucked over by the local hospital [Re: Drmushrooms] 1
#23714826 - 10/07/16 12:10 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
|
|
|
Anonymous #2
|
Re: Seeking legal advice, friend of mine got seriously fucked over by the local hospital [Re: Anonymous #1] 2
#23716923 - 10/07/16 04:32 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
|
|
I know you're upset but a doctor can and will lecture their patient about anything and everything that is potentially detrimental to their health. In the end, they are offering a service and you are there voluntarily. For example, it annoys the hell out of me but my doctor will go off on a 10 minute speech every time I see him because I smoke.
Now when it comes to ignoring the rape...I'm giving the doctor the benefit of the doubt here because you were not present. A quick google search shows that Rohypnol will show on a urine test for up to 60hours. I have a feeling that she did not relay the information to you with 100% accuracy. I'd be willing to bet that they did in fact test the urine and it came back negative, and then the doctor decided to lay into her about her "poor choices".
BUT if the doctor did just blatantly ignore her request and shame her like that? Fuck him, he's a piece of shit and I hope she CAN sue his ass. I hope you don't take my comment the wrong way here- I feel horrible that your friend had to go through all of that. I really, really hope that she just misunderstood or something and that they did test her urine because if the doctor really just lied to her and turned her away? Well that fucker deserves to get his ass beat to hell and I really hope at least a formal complaint can be made.
|
Anonymous #1
|
Re: Seeking legal advice, friend of mine got seriously fucked over by the local hospital [Re: Anonymous #2]
#23716998 - 10/07/16 04:56 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
|
|
Yeah I've been worrying about her story myself, whether there's something she's leaving out or..
I only read the wiki page for rohypnol, it claimed that it is actually rare compared to other date rape drugs But as I'm sure we all know, you can't trust wiki, sometimes their references are trash. I'm not sure what other drugs are more common or what the deal with that is. I would just expect these places to have some sort of standard procedure for this shit
|
h0ldthedoor
HODOR



Registered: 06/25/16
Posts: 510
Loc: North of The Wall
|
Re: Seeking legal advice, friend of mine got seriously fucked over by the local hospital [Re: Anonymous #1] 1
#23730423 - 10/12/16 08:02 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
|
|
So a good friend of mine just told me this story
This is hear-say, not a direct account of the events that took place, got it.
and I feel I need to try to do something,
You could start by gathering facts from the potential victim and seeking assistance from law enforcement, rather than turning to an online drug forum's Security and Safety sub-forum. But, OK.
it seems like borderline medical malpractice/extortion.
According to whom?
It could easily be a newsworthy story in my eyes, but I doubt she'd opt for that route.
A newsworthy story about what exactly? The negative effects of alcohol and why to avoid them?
So she had been at a bar one night, only had two drinks (can handle her alcohol)
Alcohol is one thing, a drink laced with a date-rape drug is an entirely different matter.
and everything after that is a "blackout."
This would make sense if she'd been drugged with Rophynol or GHB.
Next thing she knows she is at home with a cup of ice, a shirt that isn't hers, and feeling oddly.
Feeling oddly, what, exactly?
Her room-mate finds her in this condition and becomes extremely concerned, it sounded like the roomate may have snapped her out of a stupor and pointed all this out to her for the first time,
This is likely.
and so my friend gets really freaked out and goes to the hospital to see if she's been drugged/raped/etc.
Good plan so far..
I know going to the hospital might not be the best place
The hospital is the absolute best place to be after you realize it's likely you've been raped. They are able to collect evidence and perform testing for the presence of drugs and/or STI's/STD's.
but I can see why she did, spur of the moment, absolutely terrified/sick about what might have happened, needing answers, whatever.
Or she was using her noodle and made a good decision.
So she gets there and tells them what happened, saying she needs to be rested for roofinol (roofies) and likely that she needed to get her vag swabbed. (didn't ask for specifics here)
Again so far so good..
So they take her blood, her urine, and then she ends up in a room with a doctor.
Keep going...
This doctor essentially assumes that she just got way too drunk last night, accuses her of being an alcoholic and informs her that the blood and urine the nurses just took cannot be used to test for the presence of roofies.
Someone is lying here. No way to be sure, since this story is all hearsay to begin with. But it's unlikely a medical doctor would (wrongly) tell a potential rape victim that their blood and urine specimens could not be used to test for the presence of date-rape drugs.
So in the end, she leaves the hospital with three thousand dollars in medical bills, NO answers as to whether she was drugged, raped, nothing. She just got a lecture about not drinking alone, they treated her like it was her fault. (which hey, maybe it kinda was, but that is NOT a physicians place) Is ignoring rape, not helping a patient, and billing them while doing it medical malpractice or being accessory to a crime???
Who cares if the doctor was a big meany? Did she or her friend call the cops from the hospital to report the potential rape, have an officer dispatched to the hospital and collect the rape kit to be entered as evidence?
They didn't even fucking test her for the presence of date rape drugs, didn't swab her vagina for semen, they just treated her like shit, extorted her for thousands of dollars, and showed her the door. There was no talk about police involvement. I wish it happened more recently or I'd be down there asking that bartender some fucking questions.
Again, Who cares if the doctor was a big meany? Did she or her friend call the cops from the hospital to report the potential rape? If they chose not to call law enforcement, this is the negligent bit. Also, what good would it do to speak to the bartender? Their sole purpose is to prepare and serve drinks, not babysit.
Its got me fairly emotional as you can likely tell, I would be SO grateful for any advice on how to help the situation. It really seems to me that at the least they should have paid for there own mistake and not stuck her with a 3k bill for doing NOTHING other than exasperating her already emotional state.
What? They decided to go the hospital. The hospital treated her and apparently she recovered without issue. I would hardly consider that "NOTHING". The cost of care may be high, but they are under no obligation to forgive the debt. Although, they may be willing to negotiate if the patient is uninsured or indigent.
Yeah I've been worrying about her story myself, whether there's something she's leaving out or..
I only read the wiki page for rohypnol, it claimed that it is actually rare compared to other date rape drugs But as I'm sure we all know, you can't trust wiki, sometimes their references are trash. I'm not sure what other drugs are more common or what the deal with that is. I would just expect these places to have some sort of standard procedure for this shit
GHB would have been out of her system less than 12 hours after ingestion.
To be clear, this is not legal advice. But it seems your friend would have been wise to contact law enforcement either immediately after realizing she may have been raped or from the hospital upon receiving less-than-satisfactory results.
--------------------
Always keep your foes confused. If they are never certain who you are or what you want, they cannot know what you are like to do next. Sometimes the best way to baffle them is to make moves that have no purpose, or even seem to work against you. – Petyr Baelish
|
Anonymous #1
|
Re: Seeking legal advice, friend of mine got seriously fucked over by the local hospital [Re: h0ldthedoor]
#23732401 - 10/12/16 08:32 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
|
|
thanks for taking the time to type out such a long response wherein you spend the majority of your post acting shitty. With just enough tips/facts sprinkled in to excuse your shitty behavior to yourself. bravo, hodor indeed.
|
h0ldthedoor
HODOR



Registered: 06/25/16
Posts: 510
Loc: North of The Wall
|
Re: Seeking legal advice, friend of mine got seriously fucked over by the local hospital [Re: Anonymous #1] 1
#23733201 - 10/13/16 06:00 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
|
|
You're welcome. It should also be noted, the post was made without the cloak of anonymity.
mate!
--------------------
Always keep your foes confused. If they are never certain who you are or what you want, they cannot know what you are like to do next. Sometimes the best way to baffle them is to make moves that have no purpose, or even seem to work against you. – Petyr Baelish
|
Anonymous #1
|
Re: Seeking legal advice, friend of mine got seriously fucked over by the local hospital [Re: h0ldthedoor]
#23733818 - 10/13/16 11:35 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
|
|
so brave
|
Focusrite
Communication Therapist
Registered: 09/19/16
Posts: 3
Last seen: 7 years, 4 months
|
Re: Seeking legal advice, friend of mine got seriously fucked over by the local hospital [Re: Anonymous #1]
#23738717 - 10/14/16 10:36 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
|
|
First so that she is clear with the physician's actions, I would recommend that she requests a copy of all medical records from her visit from the hospital. This is a standard request and the records department should be able to get that done quickly and without cost.
|
Anonymous #1
|
Re: Seeking legal advice, friend of mine got seriously fucked over by the local hospital [Re: Focusrite]
#23738930 - 10/15/16 12:28 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
|
|
good idea, wouldn't have thought of that
|
Anonymous #3
|
Re: Seeking legal advice, friend of mine got seriously fucked over by the local hospital [Re: Anonymous #1]
#23842083 - 11/17/16 02:58 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
|
|
Update OP?
In the places I've worked, suspected rape or allegations of rape are always taken seriously. In fact, I think every hospital I've worked at has had specific nursing staff that are trained specifically to handle this and who work with the police to establish legal sound chain of custody in terms of evidence collection.
I would expect a swab at the very least.
Urine samples certainly can be used to test for flunitrazepam, but detection window varies and some of the rapid dipstick tests do not light up with that compound or other weirder benzodiazepines. However, the hella expensive urine drug screens the emergency departments can order usually detect it, but ultimately this is hospital specific.
The physician's actions may constitute malpractice, but they would not constitute being an accessory to a crime. This is a bit of an oversimplification, but the litmus test for malpractice revolves around the "standard of care". Would doctors in the community do the same thing or did the doctor fail to meet what any other doctor would have done?
I won't apologize for my colleagues, but emergency medicine (ie. EM/ER/ED) doctors are some of the more jaded ones in the hospital as a result of dealing with a lot of "nonsense" all day long. It's a specialty with a very high burn out rate and a lot of cynicism.
Obtaining a copy of the medical records from that night is a very good place to start if there is a question about the care received, but a lot of hospitals charge a relative arm and a leg for copies of records that are given directly to patients. If her primary care doctor can request the records, the records will be transferred for free.
|
Anonymous #1
|
Re: Seeking legal advice, friend of mine got seriously fucked over by the local hospital [Re: Anonymous #3]
#23842118 - 11/17/16 03:05 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
|
|
thanks for that information, I may just have to ask about the records because that might also prove whether she's telling the whole truth or not.
We've really been hitting it off well and haven't talked much about it since. She did mention she has all but paid off the debt at this time. Asking somebody you care about if they're not telling the truth is a tricky subject
|
Anonymous #4
|
Re: Seeking legal advice, friend of mine got seriously fucked over by the local hospital [Re: Anonymous #1]
#23843814 - 11/17/16 11:23 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
|
|
No it's not. It's not tricky at all you just do it. It sounds to me like you got the hots and are trying to ease your way in. What's your fear, that she might get mad? You said yourself she said she was doped/out of it. It seems entirely reasonable she doesn't remember things anywhere near correctly. It's a valid point of concern, especially when topics like drugging and rape are getting tossed around.
|
keyser_soze
Truth Bomber
Registered: 03/04/16
Posts: 1,417
Last seen: 6 years, 7 months
|
Re: Seeking legal advice, friend of mine got seriously fucked over by the local hospital [Re: Anonymous #1] 1
#24011600 - 01/15/17 09:25 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
|
|
street cats meow the loudest.
-------------------- People in my Fan Club: Masked (President), Ballsalsa (VP), The Ecstatic*don't waste your time "debating" with him, he uses 3rd grader tactics (Director of Bullshit), Koods (Fake News Anchorman), Falcon - Devout Communist *Word your posts carefully if they contain right wing values. The moderators here like to keep it left leaning, they will use every excuse to ban you but not the others. You've been warned.
|
|