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Re: Women on masturbation [Re: pirate-blues]
    #23703951 - 10/03/16 02:50 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Because for men, masturbation is more physical than emotional, vs women finding it more emotional than physical -- much like actual sex. At least from what I've read and experienced IRL.





....not really. I view it as a rather utilitarian action.





Just my experience :shrug:, everyone is different.

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Re: Women on masturbation [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #23704019 - 10/03/16 03:17 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Women statistically think of sex as often as men.
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Men are much more likely to talk about their own bodily functions, and statistically spend more time thinking about their bodily functions than women. Men are more likely to talk about sex and sex organs than women.










Women :rolleyes:

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It's just the focus on desire is different. Women tend not to focus on release, it especially helps she does not have to worry about taking care of blue balls and erections. Ejaculation is not her end goal. Which seems to make men fear women for some reason...





Probably because her orgasm isnt related to the transference of anything. Its also kind of foolish to paint an entire population with these massive generalizations. The release is the highlight but the entire thing is what men are interested in. Most men prefer delaying it for as long as possible to focus on the females satisfication too, and the female almost always expects climaxs. You cant kick back and act like we're some kind of hounds and women are these immaculate (albeit oppressed) sexless creatures, but thats really not the case.


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Youre not as seperated from animal instinct as you think you are. You dont tell yourself to think thoughts or breath. Promescuity in females is frowned upon more then men, because youre the ones that bear the kids, and its an unfavourable trait to look for in a potential mate. Were also required to be open because we make the moves. Which is an instinctual thing. You see this across literally every species out there. Are you gonna tell me bower birds are in on the evil patriarchy grind too?




What... No I'm not denying there's a large base in instinct. But language is not instinctual, it is learned. How we use language is also a learned behavior. I've known plenty of men to love promiscuous women.




How much of this rhetoric is you just sopping up feminist literature and regurgitating it back to everyone. So far you've been way off base with a lot of things.

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Perhaps only because it is different. Perhaps as a male it screams out as a high potential for a mate. The end reason men are so obsessed with releaving their sexual desires is also instinct, so on that note they should love promiscuous women yes?




The problem is that they're more then likely not in control of their impulses so infidelity is an obvious issue. Being such an advanced species our incubation period is incredibly long and having your mate fuck off part way through is just a bad thing all around.

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Re: Women on masturbation [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #23704058 - 10/03/16 03:27 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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So we can at least agree that it is very hard how much was intended by nature and how much was constructed by society?





It's pretty much universal traits we are discussing here regardless of culture.

Slutty females can NEVER gain respect regardless of the culture or year, its' NEVER going to happen, that's a human instinct at work, not social programming.

Males that behave promiscuously will ALWAYS have the respect of society, that's always going to be the case.

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Re: Women on masturbation [Re: qman] * 1
    #23704064 - 10/03/16 03:31 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

love it when qman melts :laugh2:


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Re: Women on masturbation [Re: Sheekle] * 2
    #23704104 - 10/03/16 03:49 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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love it when qman melts :laugh2:




How is being a promiscuous male in the gay community regarded these days?  Ultra respect or slut shaming?

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Re: Women on masturbation [Re: Sheekle]
    #23704116 - 10/03/16 03:54 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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love it when qman melts :laugh2:




You're so off your game as of late.

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Re: Women on masturbation [Re: qman]
    #23704120 - 10/03/16 03:55 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Remember that time when he offered to let the pub collectively shove a carrot in his ass for $500? He deleted it a couple hours later so I doubt many caught it but he made a legit offer to have it happen. The reception was less then tepid though so he took it down. Imagine that, a bunch of straight men not wanting to see that happen.

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Re: Women on masturbation [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #23704136 - 10/03/16 04:00 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Remember that time when he offered to let the pub collectively shove a carrot in his ass for $500? He deleted it a couple hours later so I doubt many caught it but he made a legit offer to have it happen. The reception was less then tepid though so he took it down. Imagine that, a bunch of straight men not wanting to see that happen.




I saw that. I assumed it was a joke.


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Re: Women on masturbation [Re: Bodhi of Ankou] * 1
    #23704254 - 10/03/16 04:39 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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CookieCrumbs said:

Women statistically think of sex as often as men.
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Men are much more likely to talk about their own bodily functions, and statistically spend more time thinking about their bodily functions than women. Men are more likely to talk about sex and sex organs than women.










Women :rolleyes:





Funny how your next paragraph is a suggestion not to generalize. Thinking and speaking are not the same thing. Bodily function, which includes belching, farting, eating and shitting, and the full act of sex aren't the same thing. If you can't piece together how that works then I don't even know if it's worth the reply.
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It's just the focus on desire is different. Women tend not to focus on release, it especially helps she does not have to worry about taking care of blue balls and erections. Ejaculation is not her end goal. Which seems to make men fear women for some reason...





Probably because her orgasm isnt related to the transference of anything. Its also kind of foolish to paint an entire population with these massive generalizations. The release is the highlight but the entire thing is what men are interested in. Most men prefer delaying it for as long as possible to focus on the females satisfication too, and the female almost always expects climaxs. You cant kick back and act like we're some kind of hounds and women are these immaculate (albeit oppressed) sexless creatures, but thats really not the case.




I really don't know where you got that. Really, I don't. I talk about women's sexuality pretty frequently here. In fact I'd rather suggest the opposite, women are just as much sexual beings as men are. I'm just trying to point the difference. Not suggest one is better than the other. If my clit hurt if I didn't get off every couple days I'd do it more often too. But I have no problem admitting I think about sex pretty much every day, even if I don't feel like having sex. I feel like there are more factors in getting into the act of sex for women than men but I couldn't really take a remotely educated guess on most of it. I'm just speaking on what I know of.

I also didn't mean to imply that men didn't have other considerations in sex. I was meaning to imply your very first sentence in that paragraph.
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Youre not as seperated from animal instinct as you think you are. You dont tell yourself to think thoughts or breath. Promescuity in females is frowned upon more then men, because youre the ones that bear the kids, and its an unfavourable trait to look for in a potential mate. Were also required to be open because we make the moves. Which is an instinctual thing. You see this across literally every species out there. Are you gonna tell me bower birds are in on the evil patriarchy grind too?




What... No I'm not denying there's a large base in instinct. But language is not instinctual, it is learned. How we use language is also a learned behavior. I've known plenty of men to love promiscuous women.




How much of this rhetoric is you just sopping up feminist literature and regurgitating it back to everyone. So far you've been way off base with a lot of things.




I actually get almost all of everything I've said in this thread from human sexuality class that predates the feminazi movement and discussions with men and women. And I don't think I've read feminist literature in my life outside of quotes in debates.
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Perhaps only because it is different. Perhaps as a male it screams out as a high potential for a mate. The end reason men are so obsessed with releaving their sexual desires is also instinct, so on that note they should love promiscuous women yes?




The problem is that they're more then likely not in control of their impulses so infidelity is an obvious issue. Being such an advanced species our incubation period is incredibly long and having your mate fuck off part way through is just a bad thing all around.




I agree. But which is it? How do you know what nature truly intended? We don't really know much of pre civilization society. There are so few hunter gather societies left and even those differ in a case by case basis that it's difficult to tell. Monogamy in general seems to be as much a social construct as instinct. A combination of what society tells us as well as protective instinct for one's bloodline. However if a woman has sex with multiple men wouldn't she then have multiple men protecting her and their potential child once she becomes pregnant?



And I think I'm done for the night. If you gents think I'm a ball busting lesbian feminist attacking you with misandry and ignorance then that's fine. I try to be honest and impartial but you can and will think whatever you want to think. I apologize if it honestly came off that way but (minus the one joking jibe) I didn't think it did. :ohwell:


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Re: Women on masturbation [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #23704272 - 10/03/16 04:42 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

It seemed like that from the way you were framing things, but I guess we're pretty much on the same page here :lol:

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Re: Women on masturbation [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #23704279 - 10/03/16 04:44 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

It's just basic biology. In almost every sexual species (with very few exceptions) males compete for females.

This is why a man will almost never turn down sex, but a woman will never have sex with a random stranger. They did a cool study where a girl goes up to a guy and asks for sex. The guy almost always says yes. In the reverse scenario, the girl always says no.

So from this a woman's sexuality becomes more selective and thus orgasm is "harder" to achieve because it comes with more "requirements" whereas guys will easily achieve orgasm with almost any female.

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Re: Women on masturbation [Re: Alexestalex] * 1
    #23704365 - 10/03/16 05:09 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

STOP TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WOMEN

futile efforts...

We will discover the meaning of life before we discover how to understand women.


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Re: Women on masturbation [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #23704367 - 10/03/16 05:11 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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CookieCrumbs said:
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Bodhi of Ankou said:
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CookieCrumbs said:

Women statistically think of sex as often as men.
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Men are much more likely to talk about their own bodily functions, and statistically spend more time thinking about their bodily functions than women. Men are more likely to talk about sex and sex organs than women.










Women :rolleyes:





Funny how your next paragraph is a suggestion not to generalize. Thinking and speaking are not the same thing. Bodily function, which includes belching, farting, eating and shitting, and the full act of sex aren't the same thing. If you can't piece together how that works then I don't even know if it's worth the reply.
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It's just the focus on desire is different. Women tend not to focus on release, it especially helps she does not have to worry about taking care of blue balls and erections. Ejaculation is not her end goal. Which seems to make men fear women for some reason...





Probably because her orgasm isnt related to the transference of anything. Its also kind of foolish to paint an entire population with these massive generalizations. The release is the highlight but the entire thing is what men are interested in. Most men prefer delaying it for as long as possible to focus on the females satisfication too, and the female almost always expects climaxs. You cant kick back and act like we're some kind of hounds and women are these immaculate (albeit oppressed) sexless creatures, but thats really not the case.




I really don't know where you got that. Really, I don't. I talk about women's sexuality pretty frequently here. In fact I'd rather suggest the opposite, women are just as much sexual beings as men are. I'm just trying to point the difference. Not suggest one is better than the other. If my clit hurt if I didn't get off every couple days I'd do it more often too. But I have no problem admitting I think about sex pretty much every day, even if I don't feel like having sex. I feel like there are more factors in getting into the act of sex for women than men but I couldn't really take a remotely educated guess on most of it. I'm just speaking on what I know of.

I also didn't mean to imply that men didn't have other considerations in sex. I was meaning to imply your very first sentence in that paragraph.
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Youre not as seperated from animal instinct as you think you are. You dont tell yourself to think thoughts or breath. Promescuity in females is frowned upon more then men, because youre the ones that bear the kids, and its an unfavourable trait to look for in a potential mate. Were also required to be open because we make the moves. Which is an instinctual thing. You see this across literally every species out there. Are you gonna tell me bower birds are in on the evil patriarchy grind too?




What... No I'm not denying there's a large base in instinct. But language is not instinctual, it is learned. How we use language is also a learned behavior. I've known plenty of men to love promiscuous women.




How much of this rhetoric is you just sopping up feminist literature and regurgitating it back to everyone. So far you've been way off base with a lot of things.




I actually get almost all of everything I've said in this thread from human sexuality class that predates the feminazi movement and discussions with men and women. And I don't think I've read feminist literature in my life outside of quotes in debates.
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Perhaps only because it is different. Perhaps as a male it screams out as a high potential for a mate. The end reason men are so obsessed with releaving their sexual desires is also instinct, so on that note they should love promiscuous women yes?




The problem is that they're more then likely not in control of their impulses so infidelity is an obvious issue. Being such an advanced species our incubation period is incredibly long and having your mate fuck off part way through is just a bad thing all around.




I agree. But which is it? How do you know what nature truly intended? We don't really know much of pre civilization society. There are so few hunter gather societies left and even those differ in a case by case basis that it's difficult to tell. Monogamy in general seems to be as much a social construct as instinct. A combination of what society tells us as well as protective instinct for one's bloodline. However if a woman has sex with multiple men wouldn't she then have multiple men protecting her and their potential child once she becomes pregnant?





"if a woman has sex with multiple men wouldn't she then have multiple men protecting her and their potential child"

I don't think you really understand how male jealousy works, the more likely outcome would be to kill the male that is having sex with my female of choice and then kill kick that female in the stomach when she starts showing signs of pregnancy. 

The mating game is primitive and violent, it's not three different men worshipping some slutty pregnant female.

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Re: Women on masturbation [Re: qman]
    #23704382 - 10/03/16 05:17 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Shit, I didnt even catch that skimming over the post. Thats hilarious. You see that exact thing play out across pretty much every species out there. Hippos, lions, giraffes, wolves. Theyll straight up off any of the children that arnt theres when theres shifts in power or mates. The far more likely outcome in human relations though is for all the males to just jump ship and not even invest any of their energy in rearing the kids or helping the mother. Its unwanted, universally. It leads to bad traits, and neglected offspring, which instinctively is what we're all trying to avoid.

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Re: Women on masturbation [Re: Alexestalex]
    #23704634 - 10/03/16 06:41 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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It's just basic biology. In almost every sexual species (with very few exceptions) males compete for females.

This is why a man will almost never turn down sex, but a woman will never have sex with a random stranger. They did a cool study where a girl goes up to a guy and asks for sex. The guy almost always says yes. In the reverse scenario, the girl always says no.

So from this a woman's sexuality becomes more selective and thus orgasm is "harder" to achieve because it comes with more "requirements" whereas guys will easily achieve orgasm with almost any female.




I don't know about all your theory but the reason men have an easier time achieving orgasm than men is because men's orgasm is required to procreate. Women often have harder orgasms because a much larger section of her body is contracting and is the reverse of men's (it is designed to pull sperm up into the uterus. The article I read called it a "flume ride for sperm" :lol:) Sex is supposed to feel good so that we do it and make babies. Without all the pleasure sensations those contractions would probably hurt.


I'm confused at qman and Bodhi. 90% of all animal species have multiple mates. This includes females. I understand that men get jealous. But again, how is he to know that she is not carrying his baby? (in the context of primitive man, of course) I am paraphrasing what I remember of a theory that made sense to me. Multiple partners has the highest chance of successful mating. Our closest living relative, chimpanzees, practice this and live in the sort of communities I had suggested earlier. We are all instinctual whores. But that goes a bit astray from the op...

There's been a long debate over whether males or females of our species are meant to be the more promiscuous ones. I personally think we're both meant to be. It just makes sense if you truly are trying to make a species survive. Obviously the best potential mate is going to have the most mates but if you truly want to carry on your bloodline it's not great to rely on just one option.

The theory is out there. I'm leaving room for doubt, because we don't know for sure, and you guys are acting like you know for sure when you can't. I don't get it. You want to subtly accuse women of being cheating whores at times yet when I offer biological theory as to why that might be you get all huffy. Are you guys the only ones allowed to have instinct to blame for your actions? Eh. As far as I know all you are really basing your opinion on is your perception of modern man and animals. If you want to just start naming animals and the way they do things I think human beings were originally meant to be emperor penguins and women should run off to gorge after carrying that thing in her belly for 9 months and let the male deal with it for a time... Or maybe you guys were meant to be sea horses and we bred out your baby pouch.

This is why I wasn't gonna keep replying tonight. I'm getting silly :lol:


But. Thinking on it more, you are right in that male jealousy may have been a problem. Maybe that's why males did it openly and females did it in secrecy? To have another man quietly looking after her and what may or may not be his baby... But even what we have in ancient literature isn't enough to go on. These days alot of dudes seem pretty happy with "you are not the father." It's so hard to tell sexual hierarchy the first homo sapiens used. Civilization alone changed alot from what were hunters and gathers. The discovery of fire also changed alot. Our sexuality is still evolving. I choose to point most of my fingers at society most of the time because we are creatures who are able to rationalize and reason beyond instinct.

This is all awfully astray from the op.


TL;DR men and women are differnt (a little.)


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