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A3nEm4
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A little help?
#23703618 - 10/03/16 01:26 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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So this is another attempt at a small scale project. I seem to be getting stuck at the fruiting part of the process. I am doing the BRF tek but think I may try the WBS tek next from what I'm reading.
I birthed 2 cakes and did the dunk and roll; the 3rd one I birthed, dunked, and put in the chamber with no roll.

It has been 5 days since the non rolled cake was birthed and around 8-10 for the other 2. I am keeping my RH at 99% and only misting when it drops below 95%. The temperature is usually 77-80 in day and 73-76 at night.


I am using a Tupperware container that came in 2s, so ill be able to rig the other on top when the shrooms grow out. I had an old air pump lying around so I placed a hose into a bucket and turned it upwards to hit the FC from the bottom and figure this would allow fresh air to get in without me having to fan. So I only open the FC when I need to mist.


The holes at the bottom of bucket were because I was originally doing to make it a single cake FC, but the air source is pointed upwards so I don;t think too much escapes.
Any thoughts on lack of pinning/growth? Or ways I can improve the setup? I give then indirect sunlight when I can to try and get the pins going. Any help would be appreciated..
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Re: A little help? [Re: A3nEm4]
#23703645 - 10/03/16 01:30 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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 gimme a few to type this out..
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Re: A little help? [Re: A3nEm4]
#23703651 - 10/03/16 01:31 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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You shouldn't even birth them until they pin right in the jar. They look like pretty clean cakes so just let them be. THEY WILL FRUIT! 5 days isn't nearly long enough of a wait to be worried about it. If they don't fruit in a month then come and let us know. That setup you have isn't exactly ideal but it will probably still work.
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Re: A little help? [Re: mushboy]
#23703656 - 10/03/16 01:32 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Lol, I swear to god I'm good at most things in life but I suck ass at this mushroom thing. I seem to turn autistic....
Guys gif is cracking me up.
Edited by A3nEm4 (10/03/16 01:36 PM)
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Re: A little help? [Re: A3nEm4]
#23703668 - 10/03/16 01:36 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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If you are not really good at it then why are you deviating from tried and true methods? Go make a SGFC and review brf cake methodologies. Throw that hydrometer in the trash while you are at it.
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Re: A little help? [Re: RyeJar]
#23703671 - 10/03/16 01:37 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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its seems you have the right idea about the tech part. as in a SGFC(sorta) and thinking about FAE..or 'fanning'
Fanning is not fresh air exchange, FAE is more of a current.. read about the basics of the sgfc tek. it details the way it works.
humidity is shit next to FAE. id ditch the massive hydrometer jammed in that mini(like super mini) sgfc you got.
for a few bucks by a nice sterlite brand tote and make a larger chamber. or attach the upper half.
note to readers: i tried hard not to shit myself. but OP has the right idea just not applied correctly.
misting is ok. you want water to evaporate off the surface
Edited by mushboy (10/03/16 01:38 PM)
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Re: A little help? [Re: mushboy]
#23703676 - 10/03/16 01:38 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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humidity is shit next to FAE.
I beg to disagree on that point. Case in point look at a jar being fruited invitro. High humidity and little to any FAE. Pins EVERYTIME.
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Re: A little help? [Re: RyeJar]
#23703700 - 10/03/16 01:41 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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RyeJar said: If you are not really good at it then why are you deviating from tried and true methods? Go make a SGFC and review brf cake methodologies. Throw that hydrometer in the trash while you are at it.
I was reading SGFC methods and they seemed to focus around 2 inch placed holes and base of thick perlite. I was planning on increasing my hole coverage a little but I didn't feel this mini chamber was too far off from the SGFC model. Constant high humidity and air flow......Hydrometer is trash huh, sucks.
I was also reading that Co2 is better for pinning than FAE. Wouldn't the air pump coming through the bottom create that current of air? or is that too little....I'll give it a little more time and see.
Edited by A3nEm4 (10/03/16 01:43 PM)
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Re: A little help? [Re: RyeJar]
#23703701 - 10/03/16 01:41 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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i thought they pin invitro cause of the micro-climate between the jar and substrate. and humidity inside the chamber(whichever kind) doesn't matter because its about the RH on the substrate level/moisture evap to trigger pinning.
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Re: A little help? [Re: A3nEm4]
#23703703 - 10/03/16 01:42 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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A3nEm4 said: I was also reading that Co2 is better for pinning than FAE.
Im not sure if I would go that far, but again, I have never seen a brf jar not pin invitro if left to its own devices, and invitro jars do have a high level of co2 in them.
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Re: A little help? [Re: A3nEm4]
#23703704 - 10/03/16 01:42 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think your humidity is a little too high at 95-99%. That's total saturation and doesn't allow much evaporation. I would let it drop a little if it were me. My last project, I fruited in open air right in my living room, never took the cakes out of the jar, probably 50-60% rh and they fruited just fine, better than my closet greenhouse I used to run. I filled the jars with water and put solid lids on overnight for the dunk, then dumped out the excess and cased the top with verm.
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Re: A little help? [Re: mushboy]
#23703712 - 10/03/16 01:44 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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mushboy said: i thought they pin invitro cause of the micro-climate between the jar and substrate.
What about the micro climate do you think is helping? Id say its the high rH.
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Re: A little help? [Re: A3nEm4]
#23703722 - 10/03/16 01:46 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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A3nEm4 said:
I was also reading that Co2 is better for pinning than FAE. Wouldn't the air pump coming through the bottom create that current of air? or is that too little....I'll give it a little more time and see.
air pump? are you using a pump? have you ever read on any sgfc tek to use a pump?
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Re: A little help? [Re: RyeJar]
#23703772 - 10/03/16 01:59 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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A3nEm4 said:
I was also reading that Co2 is better for pinning than FAE. Wouldn't the air pump coming through the bottom create that current of air? or is that too little....I'll give it a little more time and see.
air pump? are you using a pump? have you ever read on any sgfc tek to use a pump?
No, the pump is blowing into a bucket that my FC sits on top of. The idea being to keep a stream of air flowing from the bottom up.
I did read people keeping fans on near SGFC to increase airflow, so that's where this idea came from.
I think I need to wait a little longer before I can declare too much of a problem. I will let the RH drop a little to allow for a little evaporation.
I have a mini fan that I used before the air pump and it was a little more powerful. It dropped the RH to around 90-92 so I thought it wasn't beneficial since almost every thread I read was praising 99% humidity levels as a necessity if possible.
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Re: A little help? [Re: A3nEm4]
#23703788 - 10/03/16 02:03 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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 I'm either too high, or..
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Re: A little help? [Re: A3nEm4]
#23703790 - 10/03/16 02:03 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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If you heard to use a fan then I would use a fan. You admitted to being not very good at this so stop assuming things. Assuming isn't allowed until you have a decent understanding of the underlying dynamics of mushroom cultivation. Follow a tek and stop deviating! Also stop trying to micro manage rH to a single percentage point. Its not doing you any good. Follow a SGFC writeup. If it says to get a container 2 feet high then do it. If it says put in 6" perlite then do it.
Edited by RyeJar (10/03/16 02:06 PM)
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 I'm either too high, or..
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Re: A little help? [Re: RyeJar]
#23704089 - 10/03/16 03:40 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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RyeJar said: If you heard to use a fan then I would use a fan. You admitted to being not very good at this so stop assuming things. Assuming isn't allowed until you have a decent understanding of the underlying dynamics of mushroom cultivation. Follow a tek and stop deviating! Also stop trying to micro manage rH to a single percentage point. Its not doing you any good. Follow a SGFC writeup. If it says to get a container 2 feet high then do it. If it says put in 6" perlite then do it.
I wasn't really assuming or deviating from the tek. There were different views on using the fan. Some would open and fan a couple times a day and others had their fans further from the setup to keep the stream of air low so they could run it all day. I figured the air pump, using a weak stream of air, would be the equivalent of a fan at a distance running all day. I wasn't trying to add my own flair or anything, I just figured that was the best way to hit the in between spot of the 2 opposing views.
The SGFC methods that I read varied from user to user so I tried to break it down to the basics of what they were saying.
I think A big issue with my grows may be not waiting lone enough to birth. That thought crossed my mind and now I see another user making a similar comment.
I'll work on adjusting my setup to match something more traditional. The problem was my project was a small one so I didn't want to get a big rubbermaid bin with a ton of perlite for 3 mini cakes.
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Re: A little help? [Re: A3nEm4]
#23704114 - 10/03/16 03:53 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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You can probably find any number of teks for a SGFC from trusted growers. Mix and match instructions between the two and it may not work. Is one better than the other? Probably not. The reason the teks work by themselves is because it was thought through taking into consideration certain dynamics of each tek's situation. If you have no idea what you are doing, you are not in a position to try and undermine the tek. There is a lot more going on than you probably think.
Pick ONE tek from ONE trusted member and go through with it from start to finish. If they said fan, dont use an air pump. If they say use perlite dont use vermiculite. I hope I am not coming off mean but this same thing is said over and over and over and over again. FOLLOW THE FUCKING TEK TO THE T. If after that you have problems please feel free to ask questions.
Edited by RyeJar (10/03/16 03:54 PM)
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Re: A little help? [Re: RyeJar]
#23704121 - 10/03/16 03:55 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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RyeJar said: You can probably find any number of teks for a SGFC from trusted growers. Mix and match instructions between the two and it may not work. Is one better than the other? Probably not. The reason the teks work by themselves is because it was thought through taking into consideration certain dynamics of each tek's situation. If you have no idea what you are doing, you are not in a position to try and undermine the tek. There is a lot more going on than you probably think.
Pick ONE tek from ONE trusted member and go through with it from start to finish. If they said fan, dont use an air pump. If they say use perlite dont use vermiculite. I hope I am not coming off mean but this same thing is said over and over and over and over again. FOLLOW THE FUCKING TEK TO THE T. If after that you have problems please feel free to ask questions.:involve:
Understood.
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