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bodhisatta 
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Re: If you had ample time, what would you do to help pinning to initiate? [Re: AK1000]
#23709241 - 10/05/16 08:38 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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cubes don't get overlay
The bucket TEK is fine.if you saw trich it was from bad spawn. Coir doesn't need pasteurization nor can it even benefit from it. All it needs is heat treatment. Its used in reptile terrariums because it won't mold on its own
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Re: If you had ample time, what would you do to help pinning to initiate? [Re: AK1000]
#23709243 - 10/05/16 08:38 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Verm is a poor pinning platform, it holds moisture and provides microclimate, but it'd texture is less than ideal for knot formation. Because bulk is a good texture for this platform it's not as detrimental to case it with verm as you are just looking for microclimate at that point. But grain has a terrible surface so I find that casing grain with verm is often less ideal than using a different material.
Trich with bucket tek is going to be your spawn 99.9% of the time. Coir is very contam resistant. Get better spawn and watch your success rise.
Overlay is not really an issue with cubes. I'm not going to say you cannot see it, but th odds are greatly against you having it. I had stroma once with cubes. Once. Now with pans it's nearly expected. Forget about overlay, it's not a factor.
Fully colonizing a casing is not the end of the world but, it does prevent the casing from providing a microclimate which is one of the main points of casing.
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AK1000
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Re: If you had ample time, what would you do to help pinning to initiate? [Re: bodhisatta]
#23709586 - 10/05/16 11:05 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I understand now. And you are right. That spawn I used before was indeed contaminated and I haven't had any issues since I started inoculating with agar. So I was putting the blame on the wrong thing.
Good to know that cubensis doesn't get overlay.
And bodhi, you said it doesn't need pasteurization but it can benefit from heat treatment. I thought those two went hand in hand. I should have a go at the bucket tek again and sprinkle some coir+verm ontop, what do you guys think? Would you do that in my scenario or just let it be with the plain verm and hope for the best?
I'm waiting for some mushrooms before I do another round of bottles and do it properly with the information I now know.
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Re: If you had ample time, what would you do to help pinning to initiate? [Re: AK1000]
#23717372 - 10/07/16 06:58 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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AK1000 said:
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Pastywhyte said: Some pics would make this thread productive. Otherwise there might be something wrong and we will not be able to tell you.
All questions should take the form of a picture.
This is the latest photo I just snapped up:

So... an update. Still no pins. Some of the jars looked like this and the mycelium have completely taken over the plain-verm casing I had put over, which... I guess defeats the purpose of the casing:

So I made a bunch of CVG (using spitballs tek, thanks spitball!) and put a very thin layer on most of them, lightly misted and fanned.
Now it looks like this:

I hope this CVG casing helps it pin.
There are a few jars I didn't case because I wasn't entirely sure if maybe I did it wrong by casing them... what do you guys think? Should I just put CVG on the few other jars as well?
Edit: Also, I have built up mad respect to anyone that grows mushrooms. This shit is not easy and you need to read like an assassin to really figure shit out and it's awesome.. like a puzzle. A puzzle I hope to solve.
Edited by AK1000 (10/07/16 07:02 PM)
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