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Phred
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Re: The Revolution [Re: Shroomism]
#2370075 - 02/22/04 10:22 PM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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It's been done. Check out the creation of the United States of America.
No harm in redoing it, though. Jefferson was of the opinion that government would have to be overthrown every twenty years or so regardless of how airtight a constitution a country had.
The best approach would be to adopt the original constitution of the US, but correct its flaws. The two most dangerous ones were giving the government the right to coin the legal tender of the country and giving it the right to regulate interstate commerce.
You'll also have to decide which of your goals and/or principles will hold primacy, since some of the ones you've listed make others impossible. I'm presuming after reading this that your most important one is the primacy of free will: that all must be left free to act as they choose providing their actions don't infringe on the rights of others to act as they choose. If this is the case, you'll have to discard some of the other goals.
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silversoul7
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Re: The Revolution [Re: Phred]
#2370163 - 02/22/04 10:50 PM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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The two most dangerous ones were giving the government the right to coin the legal tender of the country and giving it the right to regulate interstate commerce.
Well, if we got rid of borders, as Shroomism suggested, then I don't think there'd be such a thing as interstate commerce. I don't know about coining legal tender. I don't know too much about economics, but I think they added that to the Constitution because of problems that some of the states were having under the Articles of Confederation.
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skoomaguitarist
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Re: The Revolution [Re: Shroomism]
#2370169 - 02/22/04 10:54 PM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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i would like to be included in this revolution... a few things bother me though...
at the meeting tomorrow, who is going to be organizing everything? it seems to me that with all these people wanting to be heard, everyone will end up shouting at everyone else to shut up, and the discussion will develop into a full-scale war. i suggest we take turns speaking? possibly in an alphabetic order or something similar? i dunno, maybe you have this all figured out already.
anything i can do to help (besides spreading love, which i try to do anyways) let me know
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Effed
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Re: The Revolution [Re: Shroomism]
#2370216 - 02/22/04 11:08 PM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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I suggest you all read or re-read the last chapter of foods. Here is an excerpt. This section focuses directly on the Drug War side of the revolution. I look at Terence as a psychedelic prophet, Food Of The Gods is my New Testament. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- A MODEST PROPOSAL A drug policy respectful of democratic values would aim to educate people to make informed choices based on their own needs and ideals. Such a simple prescription is necessary and sadly overdue. A master plan for seriously seeking to come to terms with America's drug problems might explore a number of options, including the following. 1. A 200 percent federal tax should be imposed on tobacco and alcohol. All government subsidies for tobacco production should be ended. Warnings on packaging should be strengthened. A 20 percent federal sales tax should be levied on sugar and sugar substitutes, and all supports for sugar production should be ended. Sugar packages should also carry warnings, and sugar should be a mandatory topic in school nutrition curricula. 2. All forms of cannabis should be legalized and a 200 percent federal sales tax imposed on cannabis products. Information as to the THC content of the product and current conclusions regarding its impact on health should be printed on the packaging. 3. International Monetary Fund and World Bank lending should be withdrawn from countries that produce hard drugs. Only international inspection and certification that a country is in compliance would restore loan eligibility. 4. Strict gun control must apply to both manufacture and possession. It is the unrestricted availability of firearms that has made violent crime and the drug abuse problem so intertwined. 5. The legality of nature must be recognized, so that all plants are legal to grow and possess. 6. Psychedelic therapy should be made legal and insurance coverage extended to include it. 7. Currency and banking regulations need to be strengthened. Presently bank collusion with criminal cartels allows large-scale money laundering to take place. 8. There is an immediate need for massive support for scientific research into all aspects of substance use and abuse and an equally massive commitment to public education. 9. One year after implementation of the above, all drugs still illegal in the United States should be decrimi- nalized. The middleman is eliminated, the government can sell drugs at cost plus 200 percent, and those monies can be placed in a special fund to pay the social, medical, and educational costs of the legalization program. Money from taxes on alcohol, tobacco, sugar, and can-nabis can also be placed in this fund. Also following this one-year period, pardons should be given to all offenders in drug cases that did not involve firearms or felonious assault. If these proposals seem radical, it is only because we have drifted so far from the ideals that were originally most American. At the foundation of the American theory of social polity is the notion that our inalienable rights include "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." To pretend that the right to the pursuit of happiness does not include the right to experiment with psychoactive plants and substances is to make an argument that is at best narrow and at worst ignorant and primitive. The only religions that are anything more than the traditionally sanctioned moral codes are religions of trance, dance ecstasy, and intoxication by hallucinogens. The living fact of the mystery of being is there, and it is an inalienable religious right to be able to approach it on one's own terms. A civilized society would enshrine that principle in law. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Taken From Terence Mckenna's, Food Of The Gods [1946-2000]
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Shroomism
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if there is tons of people at the meeting tomorrow, there is a chat function that silences everyone except for those who are picked to talk, so it can be nice and orderly. myself and automan will be moderating the discussion.
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Re: The Revolution [Re: Shroomism]
#2370275 - 02/22/04 11:30 PM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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after reading that, i must say i was taking part in your revolution long before i even knew of you.
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Re: The Revolution [Re: Shroomism]
#2370560 - 02/23/04 12:47 AM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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This is an awesome idea and I'm excited about it. I'll be willing to help in any way I can, Swami's idea really strikes me as a great one.
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hevvy_psi
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and here i was about to write you off as a worthless rabble-rouser
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Re: The Revolution [Re: Shroomism]
#2370581 - 02/23/04 12:55 AM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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I know I'm going to forget to be here at, what, 6:00 p.m. my time? California??
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Le_Canard
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Re: The Revolution [Re: Frog]
#2370638 - 02/23/04 02:31 AM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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Let's see... that's 10 CST 9 MT 8 PT And 5AM GMT.
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Le_Canard
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Re: The Revolution [Re: ]
#2370650 - 02/23/04 02:36 AM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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mushmaster said:
sounds a lot like what the founders of this nation set out to do 240 years ago.
Yes, and I like that, too. I just wish things in the US hadn't gotten so off the track.The founders and authors of this nation must be spinning in their graves.
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Re: The Revolution [Re: Shroomism]
#2370907 - 02/23/04 06:11 AM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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Damn, I missed this one because I already went to bed, but next time I can probably wake up way early in the morning to catch it... I guess it is 5 or 6 a.m. for me.. but I'll do it! A small price to pay. Peace.
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Shroomism
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you didn't miss anything... the meeting is in 11 hours from the time of this post They say the revolution is not going to be televised... but no one said anything about it not being on the internet.
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Re: The Revolution [Re: Shroomism]
#2371534 - 02/23/04 11:03 AM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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Change the way money is distributed?balance the fields?no 5% having 95% of the money.
This is free how?
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Re: The Revolution [Re: Shroomism]
#2371557 - 02/23/04 11:10 AM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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Well hell, I had better get dude to set the firewall up so the port for the Shroomery is open, then. Its early to bed with me, too. Peace.
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Shroomism
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I don't claim to have all the answers, I'm just throwing out suggestions.
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hevvy_psi
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Re: The Revolution [Re: Shroomism]
#2373104 - 02/23/04 05:48 PM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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*REMINDER*
For the meeting tonight: 11pm eastern time - 8pm for you west coasters to connect simply go to the shroomery.org main page and click on community, then shroomery chat it should take you right in, once connected type /join #revolution and you will be in the room for connecting through an irc client, simply put /server shroomery.org , then /join #revolution
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findbuddha
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Re: The Revolution [Re: Shroomism]
#2373191 - 02/23/04 06:21 PM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm all for this. A couple of points:
- Governments, right wing idiots etc will not be happy when something like this gets off the ground. They will use violence, and they have pretty big fucken armies. What are we going to do about that?
- Media coverage: I live in australia, so I don't have personal experiance with US and other news coverage, i just assume it's a lot worse than it is here. News coverage here consists of 5 channels of shit ('ooh, look at the pretty puppy, gee, wasn't it hot today'), and 2 channels that are alright, but few watch. So, news coverage of this sort of thing will range from none at all, to look at the stupid hippies/terrorists. Effectively, anything the 'average person' hears about it will be through the media companies who are paying the governments to keep this system running as it is. The media is not our friend.
- dustin's post disturbed me. This sort of language suggests that this will be a top down revolution, rather than a ground up revolution. Top down revolution is not respecting of free will IMO. Of course, in the event of impending environmental catastrophe, as might happen soon, violent top down revolution might be the only thing to save any large portion of the human species.
- Some suggestions for environmental guidelines: Actions which destroy biodiversity or introduce a chemical into the environment which does not have a naturally occurring process to return it to pre-human chemical compounds at a rate sufficient to prevent buildup, are not good.
- I think the best way to go about this would be to create the 'virtual' organization (the online presence) first, then have small physical manifestations started around the world. Have the website be like a guide / directory / educational presence that physical manifestations can claim affiliation to if their individual goals / rules are close enough to the main site's.
- Having the large population base of the shroomery is very handy.
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Re: The Revolution [Re: Le_Canard]
#2373228 - 02/23/04 06:35 PM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yes, and I like that, too. I just wish things in the US hadn't gotten so off the track.The founders and authors of this nation must be spinning in their graves.
and soon, the founders and authors of this revolution will be spinning in theirs.
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trendal
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Re: The Revolution [Re: Shroomism]
#2373315 - 02/23/04 07:11 PM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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A few thoughts I had after some discussion in the channel this afternoon:
Violence should be strictly removed from our activities. If even one of us uses violence in our support of "The Revolution" we lose everything we are striving for. We would become "terrorists" in the eyes of all. Regimes born of violence will end in violence, I've heard before, and I don't see why we could/would be any different. Violence cannot be alowed.
Ok, on the topic of "spreading the news"...I think a lot can be said for certain word-of-mouth techniques. If we try using the media (any form) we stand the chance of coming off the wrong way. People could misunderstand our message. We could be seen as being a part of the system which we are trying to do away with.
Look at bonnaroo. With little (none, I think) advertising they end up as a rather large festival, selling out all their tickets.
If we phrase our message the correct way, people will want to tell eachother. They will want to spread the word. In this manner the Revolution could spread exponentially, constantly accelerating as it gains ground.
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