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peyote graft onto bridgesii (will update as it progresses')
#23702240 - 10/03/16 01:25 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thought id make a new post to show my latest creation. Chopped my lovely Trichocereus Bridgesii in half and placed a small pup off my L Williams Cea ( cant spell it lol weird multi headed peyote). Its been ob about a week. Wound has dried out and it looks to have taken. I did put two on at first but took one off as it didn't stick to well.
I've dried the other half of my bridgesii out in front of a fan for 24hrs. How long would people recommend I leave it before planting. I'm really impatient and a couple of weeks is well long lol

That weird mark on top is where a scar /scab was . Will this effect anything apart from looks?
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Re: peyote graft onto bridgesii (will update as it progresses') [Re: BasilBush]
#23712343 - 10/06/16 07:56 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Calloused up well and seems to have taken, does not appear to be growing yet so picture will probably look the same.
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Actually on second look while taking the photos I do believe something is happening... If this grotesque yote takes I thinks its gonna produce lots and lots of pus and hopefully a little monstrose. KEEP Y'ALL POSTED
Edited post as just compared photos, looks like I've not aligned graft properly and yote is shrivelled and not growing lol. I'll give it a week or two and if nothing is happening ill stick a 1cm button on.
Edited by BasilBush (10/06/16 08:01 AM)
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Re: peyote graft onto bridgesii (will update as it progresses') [Re: BasilBush]
#23712348 - 10/06/16 07:59 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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You need to put the scion on the vascular ring, not the core. It will not get any nutrients where you have placed it.
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Re: peyote graft onto bridgesii (will update as it progresses') [Re: jimmyBbuffet]
#23712356 - 10/06/16 08:04 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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p0stij said: You need to put the scion on the vascular ring, not the core. It will not get any nutrients where you have placed it.
Totaly agree with you on that.. I'll do school run and then do a fresh graft when I get back. And not a tiny scaly yote a nice looking one instead .
Would I be able to fit button and roots on one stock plant??? Anyone have success doing this???
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Re: peyote graft onto bridgesii (will update as it progresses') [Re: BasilBush]
#23712428 - 10/06/16 08:35 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Looks like it is not doing well.
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Re: peyote graft onto bridgesii (will update as it progresses') [Re: Spanishfly]
#23712556 - 10/06/16 09:27 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Right then. Cut off the Peyote and a little piece over the vascular ring so that the rest is still callused, found an unwilling participant to take part in the grafting super size me challenge and dug him up from him home and decapitated him, I took a few pictures of the plants here they are



Hopefully this one will take off. If it does I'm expecting alot of pups. Mescalito please watch over your children and guide them well.
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Re: peyote graft onto bridgesii (will update as it progresses') [Re: BasilBush]
#23713386 - 10/06/16 02:34 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Can't wait to see how this turns out. I've been wanting to graft a smaller pup onto a pereskiopsis but want to get a little more practice first.
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Re: peyote graft onto bridgesii (will update as it progresses') [Re: saythatagain]
#23713444 - 10/06/16 02:53 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Lets hope I've done this one right . And ill keep y'all posted . Just give it a go , I did better on my first ever attemp then I did on tho. Just read up on it and don't forget to follow the steps. Especially aligning the rings.
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Re: peyote graft onto bridgesii (will update as it progresses') [Re: BasilBush]
#23716949 - 10/07/16 04:40 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Gonna take the tape off of the graft tomorrow and see how its doing. Untill then here's a little something for you all to look at lol. Enjoy
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Re: peyote graft onto bridgesii (will update as it progresses') [Re: BasilBush]
#23722383 - 10/09/16 02:09 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Is it common for the graft to join to the stock. Only an the point where the two rings intersect. Seems to have joined but only in a small section. I will give it a week and then take it from there
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Re: peyote graft onto bridgesii (will update as it progresses') [Re: BasilBush]
#23722866 - 10/09/16 04:49 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Is that fresh growth you are grafting to? at least grown this year?
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Re: peyote graft onto bridgesii (will update as it progresses') [Re: the_r3dz]
#23722889 - 10/09/16 05:01 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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No, I'm quite new to grafting and read after cutting Its better doing it to the tip end. Is it a definate no no doing it this far down. The core was not hard a woody when I cut it. If it is liklt to fail I have a cuzco I could stick it to
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Re: peyote graft onto bridgesii (will update as it progresses') [Re: BasilBush]
#23722915 - 10/09/16 05:12 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I've read that cuzco is a really good stock I planted a couple hundred of them (kk peru seed) for that purpose so we'll see in a few years :P
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Re: peyote graft onto bridgesii (will update as it progresses') [Re: the_r3dz]
#23722946 - 10/09/16 05:24 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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My first graft I ever did was on the Cuzco and it grew great and I had no trouble aligning up. That yote is now growing on its on roots and doing well.
Regretting chopping my bridgesii down now as the other end will take ages to root .
I have one more yote which would make a good scion. So tomorrow the cuzcos getting chopped . Say 2-3 inch down that way ill be able to do a graft and hopefully ill be able to replant the tip. (rather not waste any lol).
Then it'll be praying to god that they both take and hoping the roots of the yotes survive and kick some buttons out. Man does that take ages
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Re: peyote graft onto bridgesii (will update as it progresses') [Re: BasilBush]
#23724002 - 10/09/16 11:36 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Any trichocereus is good grafting stock. I have a clone of kimura's spiny giantxbrigdesii that I have propagated the shit out of and it's one of my favorite grafting stocks, I get great growth with even a small rootstock. I've used bridgesii, pachanoi and several different hybrids and they all work great. Good old PC pedro is hard to beat though, its spines are easy to work with and it is more resistant to rot than some of the other trichos.
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Re: peyote graft onto bridgesii (will update as it progresses') [Re: P.Zappatecorum]
#23724009 - 10/09/16 11:41 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Interesting, I just typed this out somewhere else
and I learned that Kims Spiny Giant is likely a cuzco so my KSG x SS02 that I have 500 of are going to be angry and spiny, but hit or miss on potency 
but if they're good grafting stock hurray!
I have talked to people who have trouble using bridgesii as stock due to it's inability to handle moist humid conditions their words
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Re: peyote graft onto bridgesii (will update as it progresses') [Re: the_r3dz]
#23724023 - 10/09/16 11:46 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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As long as you treat it like a bridgesii, it will be fine. I could see them having problems if they want to act like it's a pedro stock. I've heard the same about myrtillocactus, they're also a bit touchier. I keep my grafts inside during winter and let them go dry and dormant so that's not an issue for me.
And that's weird about KSG, I thought it was supposed to be a big fat pachanoid. Mine look way more like they have pach genetics than the pyscho0Xcuzcoensis that I have. which is way skinnier and super thorny.
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Re: peyote graft onto bridgesii (will update as it progresses') [Re: P.Zappatecorum]
#23724025 - 10/09/16 11:49 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I've heard before that bridgesii doesn't like super tropical places it's funny you say that, because that same dude who doesn't use bridgesii, much prefers myrtillocactus 
I want to try some of the lesser known stocks like Opuntia fragilis and ficus-indica as well as schlumbergera
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Re: peyote graft onto bridgesii (will update as it progresses') [Re: the_r3dz]
#23724313 - 10/10/16 06:13 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I graft on opuntia all the time for slower growers. I'm I'm just trying to get as much of whatever as I can I stick to pereskiopsis but opuntia can take a larger scion and doesn't deform it as much. I believe mine is compressa.
I've only grafted on hylocereus once with a mammillaria plumosa. That was maybe 5 months ago and I have yet to see growth, though the scion is definitely alive. It's actually throwing out roots. The stock was very woody and I don't think it was new growth, so I definitely could have done some things better.
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Re: peyote graft onto bridgesii (will update as it progresses') [Re: saythatagain]
#23724763 - 10/10/16 10:39 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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What is the opuntia grow rate vs. pereskiopsis and trichocereus?
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Re: peyote graft onto bridgesii (will update as it progresses') [Re: P.Zappatecorum]
#23724793 - 10/10/16 10:51 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Never grafted on trichocereus but it's comparable to pereskiopsis.
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Re: peyote graft onto bridgesii (will update as it progresses') [Re: saythatagain]
#23725136 - 10/10/16 12:40 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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saythatagain said: Never grafted on trichocereus but it's comparable to pereskiopsis.
No way its comparable to pereskiopsis. Pereskiopsis require more humidity. I think its totally different.
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Re: peyote graft onto bridgesii (will update as it progresses') [Re: saythatagain]
#23725147 - 10/10/16 12:45 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I don't think saythatagain means that trich is comparable to pereskiopsis, rather that opuntia growth rate is comparable to pereskiopsis?
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P.Zappatecorum said: What is the opuntia grow rate vs. pereskiopsis and trichocereus?
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saythatagain said: Never grafted on trichocereus but it's comparable to pereskiopsis.
I read that as "Never grafted on trichocereus but it's (it = opuntia) comparable to pereskiopsis"
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Re: peyote graft onto bridgesii (will update as it progresses') [Re: Mostly_Harmless]
#23725215 - 10/10/16 01:07 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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My bad. I read (he wrote) it wrong?
Anywho i like trichocereus for being more permanent.
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Re: peyote graft onto bridgesii (will update as it progresses') [Re: ferrel_human]
#23726010 - 10/10/16 06:06 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I have never grafted onto trichocereus but the growth rate of opuntia is comparable to that of (the growth rate of) pereskiopsis.
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Re: peyote graft onto bridgesii (will update as it progresses') [Re: saythatagain]
#23726287 - 10/10/16 07:22 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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It was clear the first time. That's very interesting. Opuntia compressa are super hardy right? Seems like more people should be grafting to them if the growth rate is that good and the temperature and moisture requirements are far less tempermental than pereskiopsis. I'll have to look into it. Why do the fastest stocks all have to have so many glochids?
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Re: peyote graft onto bridgesii (will update as it progresses') [Re: P.Zappatecorum]
#23726406 - 10/10/16 07:59 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah, they are a major pain in the ass. I try to pull most of them out before I start grafting but I always end up finding some stuck in my fingers. Another plus of opuntia is that one cladode can produce multiple stocks, and one stock can take multiple scions. Also, in my experience opuntias are even easier to propagate than pereskiopsis. And the nieghbor's kids won't destroy opuntia like they did my lovely pereskiopsis family.
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Re: peyote graft onto bridgesii (will update as it progresses') [Re: saythatagain]
#23727283 - 10/11/16 01:18 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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saythatagain said: I have never grafted onto trichocereus but the growth rate of opuntia is comparable to that of (the growth rate of) pereskiopsis.
Better?
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Re: peyote graft onto bridgesii (will update as it progresses') [Re: P.Zappatecorum]
#23728835 - 10/11/16 04:57 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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P.Zappatecorum said: It was clear the first time. That's very interesting. Opuntia compressa are super hardy right? Seems like more people should be grafting to them if the growth rate is that good and the temperature and moisture requirements are far less tempermental than pereskiopsis. I'll have to look into it. Why do the fastest stocks all have to have so many glochids?

I remember LSoares attempting Opuntia ficus indica grafts and he found that it was horrible to use as a stock so I figured most opuntia species would be the same. Is this correct or is it just that Ofi is the shitty one to use and some of the others will last?
I believe the stock sucked because after some time they seem to reject the scions but I'm not 100% on that.
Does anyone here have any experience using Opuntias as grafting stocks over long periods of time?
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Re: peyote graft onto bridgesii (will update as it progresses') [Re: spaceman101]
#23729022 - 10/11/16 06:05 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Their tendency to cluster might be problematic and like pereskiopsis require constant pruning of pups.
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Re: peyote graft onto bridgesii (will update as it progresses') [Re: P.Zappatecorum]
#23729268 - 10/11/16 07:29 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I only just started grafting earlier this year so I can't answer that. It does seem to be the preferred stock of slow growers so I assume it would last pretty long. I have lots of saguaros and mammillarias grafted to opuntia. I actually need the stock identified. I'll post some pics tomorrow.
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Re: peyote graft onto bridgesii (will update as it progresses') [Re: saythatagain]
#23733956 - 10/13/16 12:35 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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After a few unsuccessful attempts I think I finally got a couple to take, ONE ON THE BRIDGESII
AND ANOTHER ON MY CUZCOENSIS
ITS BEEN A COUPLE OF DAYS AND THE SCIONS ARE STILL PLUMP AND DO NOT SEEM TO BE SHRIVELLED
Trichocereus cut ends drying
Peyotes recovering
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Re: peyote graft onto bridgesii (will update as it progresses') [Re: BasilBush]
#23734071 - 10/13/16 01:16 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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BasilBush said: After a few unsuccessful attempts I think I finally got a couple to take, ONE ON THE BRIDGESII
AND ANOTHER ON MY CUZCOENSIS
ITS BEEN A COUPLE OF DAYS AND THE SCIONS ARE STILL PLUMP AND DO NOT SEEM TO BE SHRIVELLED
Trichocereus cut ends drying
Peyotes recovering
Hey Bro I'm not tryin to mess with you or anything but I am NOT comfortable with the soil you have ANY of those particular plants potted in 
Especially your Lopho Soil looks horrible but even the Tricho soil looks rough!!!
What mixture did you use? All I can see is coir and sand
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Re: peyote graft onto bridgesii (will update as it progresses') [Re: spaceman101]
#23734258 - 10/13/16 02:12 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I agree with you 100%. Apart from the Cuzco which drys out completely within two days.
I had it perfect last week. But repotted yesterday and its not drying out as good as I wished . The plan is to let them dry out and sort them out as soon as I am able to get the right ingredients for the mix. I usualy use coarse sand but I ran out and only thing I had around was building sand. the mix is 2 parts soil. 3 parts sand and 1 part gravel.
Thanks for pointing it out tho as you confirmed my suspicions
I know there's lots of information on here about soil... What mix do u have good results with????
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Re: peyote graft onto bridgesii (will update as it progresses') [Re: BasilBush]
#23734871 - 10/13/16 05:45 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm happy you didn't take that harsh like a lot of others have in the past when I've tried to help them 
Yes bro your soil is not good for those plants. If I was you I'd pick up some pea gravel, some sta-green potting soil at Home Depot or Lowes and some perlite since I believe you live in America that'll all be easier to find.
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Re: peyote graft onto bridgesii (will update as it progresses') [Re: spaceman101]
#23735954 - 10/14/16 02:45 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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What made you think I was living in America???
I'm in the UK, defo done this at the wrong time of year lol
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