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Is owning a gun a right or a privilege?
    #23701915 - 10/02/16 10:49 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Right or Privilege
You may choose only one


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Re: Is owning a gun a right or a privilege? [Re: falsereality] * 4
    #23701937 - 10/02/16 11:01 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

in the US it's a right for all those not disqualified such as convicts, violent felons, etc...

in other parts of the world it's typically not a right


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Re: Is owning a gun a right or a privilege? [Re: Prisoner#1] * 3
    #23701942 - 10/02/16 11:05 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

It's kinda both :shrug:. It's a right until you've been deemed/proven untrustworthy or unsafe to own one, then it's a privilege that has been taken away.


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Re: Is owning a gun a right or a privilege? [Re: Shroomslip]
    #23701948 - 10/02/16 11:10 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Shroomslip said:
It's kinda both :shrug:. It's a right until you've been deemed/proven untrustworthy or unsafe to own one, then it's a privilege that has been taken away.




Imo it's no more of a 'right' than driving a car... which is to say I think it's fine for most people to own and operate one, provided they complete some training and examination. Despite being Canadian I'm kinda fine with guns and think most decent people are at least no worse off having one


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Re: Is owning a gun a right or a privilege? [Re: Ezuma]
    #23701961 - 10/02/16 11:18 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I prefer to look at it more like you have a right to live your life and go about your day as you please, until you fuck up, and then that "right" is taken away from you, either for your own safety or for the safety of those you might encounter in life.

I do and don't agree with forced licensing or training. I think everyone should have training, and preferably experience (gun rentals aren't all that expensive) before owning one of their own, but if you force that as an absolute rule, things can get all get screwy. There will be good programs and there will be bad, just as it is for the CHL classes and stuff now. Some are good reputable places, some will tell you incorrect info that could land you in jail. Some actually believe in what they're teaching and what they're doing, and some are just doing it for the money. The ones just doing it for the money are the ones you have to be wary of.


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I don’t want to get back up but I have to so it might as well be today.
Nothing appeals to me no one feels like me, I’m too busy being calm to disappear.
I’m in no shape to be alone contrary to the shit that you might hear.


You can't wake up, this is not a dream. You're part of a machine, you are not a human being
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    #23702059 - 10/03/16 12:00 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Edited by ruaware (12/06/16 03:31 AM)


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Re: Is owning a gun a right or a privilege? [Re: ruaware] * 3
    #23702068 - 10/03/16 12:02 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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ruaware said:
Makes no sense whatsoever to make obtaining a gun easier than obtaining a drivers license




A car is a several thousand pound vehicle that can be used to kill more effectively than a gun in a lot of cases.


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Re: Is owning a gun a right or a privilege? [Re: falsereality]
    #23702077 - 10/03/16 12:08 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I think everyone has the right to defend themselves.  Owning a gun shouldn't be wrong if the people that control us own guns as well. 

You have the right to do whatever you want.  Others have the privilege to stop you.

What a topic.


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Re: Is owning a gun a right or a privilege? [Re: ruaware]
    #23702079 - 10/03/16 12:09 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

you can also get a drivers licence a hell of a lot sooner than you can get a firearm.

so that kinda nixes that argument.


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Re: Is owning a gun a right or a privilege? [Re: rackem]
    #23702084 - 10/03/16 12:11 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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rackem said:
you can also get a drivers licence a hell of a lot sooner than you can get a firearm.

so that kinda nixes that argument.




I could walk into walmart and buy a shotgun with hollow point slugs in less than twenty minutes :shrug:. Or I could go to several gun stores and buy semi automatic sniper rifles in about thirty minutes.


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Re: Is owning a gun a right or a privilege? [Re: falsereality]
    #23702087 - 10/03/16 12:13 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

yeah, if you are of age..

if you are 16, you cant do that.


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Re: Is owning a gun a right or a privilege? [Re: rackem]
    #23702093 - 10/03/16 12:17 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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rackem said:
yeah, if you are of age..

if you are 16, you cant do that.




I legally owned a .45 Mark 23 handgun at that age for target practice and backpacking deep into the woods in CO (legal exception that allowed me to posses a handgun & ammo at sixteen).


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    #23702095 - 10/03/16 12:18 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Edited by ruaware (12/06/16 04:03 AM)


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Re: Is owning a gun a right or a privilege? [Re: ruaware]
    #23702099 - 10/03/16 12:19 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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ruaware said:
But one is meant to transport you, and the other is meant to kill.




Both can kill.


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Re: Is owning a gun a right or a privilege? [Re: falsereality]
    #23702108 - 10/03/16 12:22 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

good for them and that state legality.. thats fine by me.


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Re: Is owning a gun a right or a privilege? [Re: ruaware]
    #23702113 - 10/03/16 12:24 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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ruaware said:
Makes no sense to have obtaining a gun be easier than obtaining a drivers license



I dunno if you've paid attention to drivers recently, but forcing "education" on people isn't working out all that great in that regard. :lol:


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I’m in no shape to be alone contrary to the shit that you might hear.


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    #23702117 - 10/03/16 12:26 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Edited by ruaware (12/06/16 04:04 AM)


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Re: Is owning a gun a right or a privilege? [Re: ruaware]
    #23702127 - 10/03/16 12:30 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

If you can afford the weapon it's a right to own what you legally purchase.
  its not a right to endanger anyone else (baring per-existing agreement), You are responsible for your own actions.


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    #23702129 - 10/03/16 12:32 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Edited by ruaware (12/06/16 04:03 AM)


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Re: Is owning a gun a right or a privilege? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23702136 - 10/03/16 12:37 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:
in the US it's a right for all those not disqualified such as convicts, violent felons, etc...

in other parts of the world it's typically not a right




Rights can not be taken away by outside forces, that would then be a privilege.

Criminals have every right to defend themselves we have

If someone is not sane enouth to own a firearm, they are not sane enouth to be in a free society.


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Re: Is owning a gun a right or a privilege? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23702138 - 10/03/16 12:38 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Prisoner#1 said:
in the US it's a right for all those not disqualified such as convicts, violent felons, etc...

in other parts of the world it's typically not a right




:thumbup:

I think it's silly when people try to take the use of "rights" further by saying things like healthcare is an inalienable human right as if the right to it exists outside of government. There is no such thing as rights outside of government except maybe in established cultural practices which is really a type of government in its own right.


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Re: Is owning a gun a right or a privilege? [Re: Memories]
    #23702160 - 10/03/16 12:43 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

lol @ "free society"


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Re: Is owning a gun a right or a privilege? [Re: ruaware] * 1
    #23702172 - 10/03/16 12:49 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Well virtually all the driving a person does in their lifetime is going to be on public roads, around other people. I mean that's the purpose of the license.. Because of where you will be operating your 2 tons of instant death. You don't need a license to drive on private property (or at least if there's some technicality that says you do, it's basically completely unenforced). Having a gun doesn't basically guarantee you'll be operating it in public or around other people, and the laws around using them in public are a hell of a lot more strict than the rules for using your car in public. Hell even before you get to "operating it in public" in a lot of places and situations you need a license just to carry it around with you.

People love to use that argument a lot but the two aren't really comparable. Think about it.

If you want to actually compare gun to car, then it basically boils down to this: You can buy both without a license, in some places obtaining a gun puts you under greater scrutiny and operating the gun in public ALWAYS comes with more regulation than operating a car in public does.


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I don’t want to get back up but I have to so it might as well be today.
Nothing appeals to me no one feels like me, I’m too busy being calm to disappear.
I’m in no shape to be alone contrary to the shit that you might hear.


You can't wake up, this is not a dream. You're part of a machine, you are not a human being
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Re: Is owning a gun a right or a privilege? [Re: Memories]
    #23702182 - 10/03/16 12:55 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Owning certain types of guns is a right. Weapons that are unusually dangerous and/or not in common usage is the standard that the courts have used to determine if a particular gun is protected by the 2nd amendment. A good guide to what guns are not protected would be laws recently upheld in conn and ny.

None of these weapons are protected by the 2nd ammendment:

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(a) As used in this section and sections 53-202b to 53-202k, inclusive, “assault weapon” means: (1) Any selective-fire firearm capable of fully automatic, semiautomatic or burst fire at the option of the user or any of the other following specified semiautomatic firearms:
Algimec Agmi
Armalite AR-180
Australian Automatic Arms SAP Pistol
Auto-Ordnance Thompson type
Avtomat Kalashnikov AK-47 type
Barrett Light-Fifty model 82A1
Beretta AR-70
Bushmaster Auto Rifle and Auto Pistol
Calico models M-900, M-950 and 100-P
Chartered Industries of Singapore SR-88
Colt AR-15 and Sporter
Daewoo K-1, K-2, Max-1 and Max-2
Ecom MK-IV, MP-9 and MP-45
Fabrique Nationale FN/FAL, FN/LAR, or FN/FNC
FAMAS MAS 223
Feather AT-9 and Mini-AT
Federal XC-900 and XC-450
Franchi SPAS-12 and Law-12
Galil AR and ARM
(2) A part or combination of parts designed or intended to convert a firearm into an assault weapon, as defined in subdivision (1) of this subsection or any combination of parts from which an assault weapon, as defined in subdivision (1) of this subsection, may be rapidly assembled if those parts are in possession or under the control of the same person;
(3) Any semiautomatic firearm not listed in subdivision (1) of this subsection that meets the following criteria:
(A) A semiautomatic rifle that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at lease two of the following:
(i) A folding or telescoping stock;
(ii) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon;
(iii) A bayonet mount;
(iv) A flash suppressor or threaded barrel designed to accommodate a flash suppressor; and (v) A grenade launcher; or
(B) A semiautomatic pistol that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least two of the following:
(i) An ammunition magazine that attaches to the pistol outside of the pistol grip;
(ii) A threaded barrel capable of accepting a barrel extender, flash suppressor, forward handgrip
or silencer;
(iii) A shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel and that permits the shooter to hold the firearm with the non-trigger hand without being burned;
(iv) A manufactured weight of fifty ounces or more when the pistol is unloaded; and
(v) A semiautomatic version of an automatic firearm; or
(C) A semiautomatic shotgun that has at least two of the following:
(i) A folding or telescoping stock;
(ii) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon;
Goncz High-Tech Carbine and High-Tech Long Pistol Heckler & Koch HK-91, HK-93, HK-94 and SP-89 Holmes MP-83
MAC-10, MAC-11 and MAC-11 Carbine type
Intratec TEC-9 and Scorpion
Iver Johnson Enforcer model 3000
Ruger Mini-14/5F folding stock model only
Scarab Skorpion
SIG 57 AMT and 500 series
Spectre Auto Carbine and Auto Pistol
Springfield Armory BM59, SAR-48 and G-3
Sterline MK-6 and MK-7
Steyr AUG
Street Sweeper and Striker 12 revolving cylinder shotguns USAS-12
UZI Carbine, Mini-Carbine and Pistol
Weaver Arms Nighthawk
Wilkinson “Linda” Pistol




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    #23702191 - 10/03/16 01:04 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Is owning a gun a right or a privilege? [Re: Shroomslip]
    #23702192 - 10/03/16 01:04 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Well virtually all the driving a person does in their lifetime is going to be on public roads, around other people. I mean that's the purpose of the license.. Because of where you will be operating your 2 tons of instant death. You don't need a license to drive on private property (or at least if there's some technicality that says you do, it's basically completely unenforced). Having a gun doesn't basically guarantee you'll be operating it in public or around other people, and the laws around using them in public are a hell of a lot more strict than the rules for using your car in public. Hell even before you get to "operating it in public" in a lot of places and situations you need a license just to carry it around with you.

People love to use that argument a lot but the two aren't really comparable. Think about it.

If you want to actually compare gun to car, then it basically boils down to this: You can buy both without a license, in some places obtaining a gun puts you under greater scrutiny and operating the gun in public ALWAYS comes with more regulation than operating a car in public does.



are you kidding? Traffic regulations take up more statutory space than just about any other category.


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Re: Is owning a gun a right or a privilege? [Re: falsereality]
    #23702198 - 10/03/16 01:09 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

The right to keep and bear arms is a fundamental right. It's the right to having a means of defense. A caveman has the fundamental right to pick up a rock in defense against another caveman who pick up a rock. If a caveman fashions a club, the other caveman also has the right to fashion his own club. Fast forward to swords. If there's other people walking around with swords and you have the ability to make or acquire your own sword, you have that natural right to do so.

It's no different with guns. Up until 1934, everything was above board and in full compliance with the 2nd Amendment. Obviously concessions have been made since then.


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Re: Is owning a gun a right or a privilege? [Re: koods]
    #23702239 - 10/03/16 01:24 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I'm not talking about word count on a piece of paper. I'm talking about when it's acceptable to use and when it's not and under what circumstances. You are a lot more free to use your car on public roads than you are allowed to use a gun in public spaces. Also, I've yet to actually witness the enforcement of any regulation banning someone from operating a vehicle on their own property just because they live in the city limits or their property isn't large enough.

In places where both things are regulated, the most common use of a car on your own property is called "Parking". But it has many other names as well. Everything from maintenance and recreation to work and is totally legal. Usually using a gun on your property (that isn't in self defense situations which is one of the only times you're allowed to use it on your own property) is called "Negligent Discharge" at best and it is a crime you can be charged for.


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I don’t want to get back up but I have to so it might as well be today.
Nothing appeals to me no one feels like me, I’m too busy being calm to disappear.
I’m in no shape to be alone contrary to the shit that you might hear.


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With your face all made up, living on a screen. Low on self esteem, so you run on gasoline


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Re: Is owning a gun a right or a privilege? [Re: Shroomslip]
    #23702296 - 10/03/16 01:59 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Not buying it. The regulations for where and when and how you operate a motor vehicle are so ubiquitous, maybe you dont notice them. Every posted speed limit, yield sign, traffic signal, road marking, use of signals, etc represent a micromanaging of drivers is so far beyond anything a gun owner must deal with. To operate a motor vehicle, you have to pass a test that shows you know the laws of road. You have to pass a test that shows you know how to operate the car. You have to register the car. You have to get insurance on the car. None of these things apply to guns, at least not usually.

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yet to actually witness the enforcement of any regulation banning someone from operating a vehicle on their own property just because they live in the city limits or their property isn't large enough




Well, these comparisons only can go so far. Cars can't launch projectiles into other people's property, under normal operating conditions at least.


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Re: Is owning a gun a right or a privilege? [Re: koods]
    #23702337 - 10/03/16 02:46 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Most of what you said about operating a car only applies to operating it on public roads. Yes you have to take a test to prove you can do it and get and keep a valid license and follow the rules. To operate a gun in public you generally also have to do the same thing. You're not justified in illegally carrying a weapon even if you use it to legitimately defend yourself. You're still guilty of unlawfully carrying that weapon in public. Which is a crime that comes with even stiffer penalties than driving without insurance or a license. I've been caught driving without a license or insurance. I got a few hundred dollars in fines. You think if I were carrying without a CHL and got caught carrying it, or worse discharged it in public I'd walk away with just a few hundred dollars in fines? Hell no. I'd probably be lucky to get probation.

You're still trying to apply the number of regulations instead of the restrictions of those regulations. They are not the same thing. You know why there isn't as much micromanaging to carrying and using a gun in public? Because it's not anywhere near as complex as dealing with traffic. So trying to point to the number of laws on the books as a direct comparison between the two is nonsensical.


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I don’t want to get back up but I have to so it might as well be today.
Nothing appeals to me no one feels like me, I’m too busy being calm to disappear.
I’m in no shape to be alone contrary to the shit that you might hear.


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With your face all made up, living on a screen. Low on self esteem, so you run on gasoline


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Re: Is owning a gun a right or a privilege? [Re: Shroomslip]
    #23702423 - 10/03/16 04:14 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Koods,

How is that list of guns not protected by the second ammendment? Where in the second ammendment does it exclude certain guns? Last I checked, it clarified it self with the phrase "shall not be infringed"


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Re: Is owning a gun a right or a privilege? [Re: ruaware]
    #23702928 - 10/03/16 09:41 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Makes no sense to have obtaining a gun be easier than obtaining a drivers license





it's not.


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Re: Is owning a gun a right or a privilege? [Re: LIBERTYNY]
    #23702960 - 10/03/16 09:49 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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LIBERTYNY said:
Quote:

Prisoner#1 said:
in the US it's a right for all those not disqualified such as convicts, violent felons, etc...

in other parts of the world it's typically not a right




Rights can not be taken away by outside forces, that would then be a privilege.




having a right taken away because of choices you make doesnt make it a privelege,
it's still a right but you made bad choices and some rights were take from you

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Criminals have every right to defend themselves we have





convicted felons dont have a right to own guns. so while they do have the right to
defend themselves against someone attacking them they dont have the same rights
that we do when it comes to self defense


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If someone is not sane enouth to own a firearm, they are not sane enouth to be in a free society.




so you're saying what exactly, the guy that served out his 30 years in prison for
murder should remain in prison or he should be allowed to own a gun again?


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Re: Is owning a gun a right or a privilege? [Re: luvdemboomers] * 1
    #23702966 - 10/03/16 09:52 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Koods,

How is that list of guns not protected by the second ammendment? Where in the second ammendment does it exclude certain guns? Last I checked, it clarified it self with the phrase "shall not be infringed"





because in liberal logic; this (Ruger Mini-14/5F folding stock model only)




is way more dangerous than this




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in the US it's a right for all those not disqualified such as convicts, violent felons, etc...

in other parts of the world it's typically not a right





Not all convicts are banned from owning guns, all felons are, regardless of violence or not.


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in the US it's a right for all those not disqualified such as convicts, violent felons, etc...



Which means it's not a right, it's a privelage


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vandago said:
Quote:

Prisoner#1 said:
in the US it's a right for all those not disqualified such as convicts, violent felons, etc...

in other parts of the world it's typically not a right





Not all convicts are banned from owning guns, all felons are, regardless of violence or not.





not all felons are excluded from owning a gun either


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King Klick said:
Quote:

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in the US it's a right for all those not disqualified such as convicts, violent felons, etc...



Which means it's not a right, it's a privelage





false.

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King Klick said:
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Prisoner#1 said:
in the US it's a right for all those not disqualified such as convicts, violent felons, etc...



Which means it's not a right, it's a privelage





false.

is voting a right?



Should be, but also, privilege.


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Rifles are a right that can be made into a privilege if you broke the law.

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Rifles are a right that can be made into a privilege if you broke the law.

Handguns is just stupid.




Handguns are awesome.



If you're ever in colorado I'll teach you how to use one properly :wink:.


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Rifles are a right that can be made into a privilege if you broke the law.

Handguns is just stupid.



The point of calling it a right as opposed to a privilege is that it is universal and has no exceptions.


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In the USA its a right .

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King Klick said:
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Patlal said:
Rifles are a right that can be made into a privilege if you broke the law.

Handguns is just stupid.



The point of calling it a right as opposed to a privilege is that it is universal and has no exceptions.




Every right has exceptions.


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koods said:
Quote:

King Klick said:
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Patlal said:
Rifles are a right that can be made into a privilege if you broke the law.

Handguns is just stupid.



The point of calling it a right as opposed to a privilege is that it is universal and has no exceptions.




Every right has exceptions.




uh... how about the thirteenth amendment granting freedom to everyone?


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koods said:
Quote:

King Klick said:
Quote:

Patlal said:
Rifles are a right that can be made into a privilege if you broke the law.

Handguns is just stupid.



The point of calling it a right as opposed to a privilege is that it is universal and has no exceptions.




Every right has exceptions.



Then it's not a right.


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    #23703106 - 10/03/16 10:42 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Nothing is a right. Rights are made up. Nobody us entitled to anything. You have to either be lucky enough to get something, work for it or a combination of both.


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falsereality said:
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koods said:
Quote:

King Klick said:
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Patlal said:
Rifles are a right that can be made into a privilege if you broke the law.

Handguns is just stupid.



The point of calling it a right as opposed to a privilege is that it is universal and has no exceptions.




Every right has exceptions.




uh... how about the thirteenth amendment granting freedom to everyone?




The exception is literally written into the text of the amendment.


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King Klick said:
Quote:

koods said:
Quote:

King Klick said:
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Patlal said:
Rifles are a right that can be made into a privilege if you broke the law.

Handguns is just stupid.



The point of calling it a right as opposed to a privilege is that it is universal and has no exceptions.




Every right has exceptions.



Then it's not a right.




There is nothing about a right that is inherently permanent. The word simply doesn't imply that at all. You need to modify it with an adjective like "inalienable right." None of the rights listed in the constitution are set in stone. They could be repealed with a constitutional amendment.


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Quote:

vandago said:
Quote:

Prisoner#1 said:
in the US it's a right for all those not disqualified such as convicts, violent felons, etc...

in other parts of the world it's typically not a right





Not all convicts are banned from owning guns, all felons are, regardless of violence or not.





not all felons are excluded from owning a gun either





Under federal law no felons can own guns.

Find me literature that proves otherwise.

Also felons can vote in ohio.


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Re: Is owning a gun a right or a privilege? [Re: vandago]
    #23703252 - 10/03/16 11:26 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

People who have felonies can petition for their right to obtain a weapon again in some states.


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    #23703258 - 10/03/16 11:28 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

3. According to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms, "Felons whose convictions have been set-aside or expunged, or for which the person has been pardoned or has had civil rights restored" are not considered "convicted" and thus they would not be prohibited from owning a gun.




Holy shit I can get a gun!!!!

I had my civil rights restored when I got done with my felonies.  I am so getting a pistol next week.


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Makes no sense to have obtaining a gun be easier than obtaining a drivers license





For most people its easier to use a gun safely than a care. Beautiful sig gif btw.


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"03-06-2013 PROBATION - TERMINATION - RESTORED TO ALL CIVIL RIGHTS "


I never knew I could get a gun.  I have been sitting around gunless for 5 years, and I get off probation tomorrow.

I am so getting a gun next week.

This is amazing news.


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What kinda gun will you be getting?


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What kinda gun will you be getting?




:popcorn:


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Re: Is owning a gun a right or a privilege? [Re: falsereality]
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falsereality said:
Quote:

ruaware said:
But one is meant to transport you, and the other is meant to kill.




Both can kill.



imo they should be licensed and restricted similarly as both are pretty dangerous, and there's a lot of idiots who shouldn't be allowed to drive, just as many shouldn't own a gun. I don't see anything wrong with that as long as the restrictions are clear and not subject to too much manipulation after being instituted


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Ezuma said:
Quote:

falsereality said:
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ruaware said:
But one is meant to transport you, and the other is meant to kill.




Both can kill.



imo they should be licensed and restricted similarly as both are pretty dangerous, and there's a lot of idiots who shouldn't be allowed to drive, just as many shouldn't own a gun. I don't see anything wrong with that as long as the restrictions are clear and not subject to too much manipulation after being instituted




I can agree with that. It's certainly not a black and white issue.


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Re: Is owning a gun a right or a privilege? [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #23703577 - 10/03/16 01:14 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Nothing is a right. Rights are made up.




Bullshit. These rights are endowed by our creator and are thus self-evident. The Bill of Rights doesn't invent these rights, it preserves them.


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PeyoteZen said:
Quote:

BANANA.MAN said:
Nothing is a right. Rights are made up.




Bullshit. These rights are endowed by our creator and are thus self-evident. The Bill of Rights doesn't invent these rights, it preserves them.




lolololololololololol

where were these 'rights' pre-history? How exactly do you determine these specific rights to be endowed by the creator?


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im pretty sure he didnt mean the religious creator, man.


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Re: Is owning a gun a right or a privilege? [Re: rackem]
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im pretty sure he didnt mean the religious creator, man.




then which creator?


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reread his sentence with the founding fathers in mind. brings a different aspect to what he said.


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Well being as it is easy for murderers to get guns I would say its a right.


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What if I told you there's never been any rights?
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im pretty sure he didnt mean the religious creator, man.




then which creator?



Whatever one that's not real anyways. They left it up to choice.


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A right, but being able to buy one easily is a privilege.

I'm definitely in favor of making them a bit harder to get. I think there should be a permit and test you have to take just like getting your driver's license. You need a year of training before taking on the hallowed position of gun owner.

But yeah I support the right to bear arms, and for me that includes automatic weapons, if it's good enough for the military it's good enough for any adult.


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Sounds like you are unaware of how the Bill of Rights was devised. It wasn't written to grant rights, it was written to enumerate and preserve the rights that were already granted to individuals upon birth. Were you born with the ability to speak? Does anyone have the right to prevent you from speaking? Absolutely not. To do so is to restrict an individuals natural-born right.

Same with having a weapon. Any kind of weapon. It only becomes a problem when you use that weapon in way that violates another individual. There is nothing inherently wrong with simply having a gun.


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    #23703628 - 10/03/16 01:27 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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PeyoteZen said:
Quote:

BANANA.MAN said:
Nothing is a right. Rights are made up.




Bullshit. These rights are endowed by our creator and are thus self-evident. The Bill of Rights doesn't invent these rights, it preserves them.



What are rights composed of? Whre are they found in nature? How can you amend something that is "endowed by our creator". Why did our creator only give people from wealthy countries rights? Why do different countries have different rights?


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you can still buy automatic weapons...

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Sounds like you are unaware of how the Bill of Rights was devised. It wasn't written to grant rights, it was written to enumerate and preserve the rights that were already granted to individuals upon birth. Were you born with the ability to speak? Does anyone have the right to prevent you from speaking? Absolutely not. To do so is to restrict an individuals natural-born right.

Same with having a weapon. Any kind of weapon. It only becomes a problem when you use that weapon in way that violates another individual. There is nothing inherently wrong with simply having a gun.



I dont know about you but i had to learn to speak myself. I wasnt born being able to speak and i dont know a single person who was.


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PeyoteZen said:
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BANANA.MAN said:
Nothing is a right. Rights are made up.




Bullshit. These rights are endowed by our creator and are thus self-evident. The Bill of Rights doesn't invent these rights, it preserves them.



What are rights composed of? Whre are they found in nature? How can you amend something that is "endowed by our creator". Why did our creator only give people from wealthy countries rights? Why do different countries have different rights?



Found in nature:
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The right to keep and bear arms is a fundamental right. It's the right to having a means of defense. A caveman has the fundamental right to pick up a rock in defense against another caveman who pick up a rock. If a caveman fashions a club, the other caveman also has the right to fashion his own club. Fast forward to swords. If there's other people walking around with swords and you have the ability to make or acquire your own sword, you have that natural right to do so.

It's no different with guns. Up until 1934, everything was above board and in full compliance with the 2nd Amendment. Obviously concessions have been made since then.




If other countries have Constitutions that allow for rights violations, then that's precisely their goddamn problem... rights violations. The U.S. Government has increasingly butchered our Constitution as well, so it's not just a problem in other countries, FYI.


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Quote:

PeyoteZen said:
Sounds like you are unaware of how the Bill of Rights was devised. It wasn't written to grant rights, it was written to enumerate and preserve the rights that were already granted to individuals upon birth. Were you born with the ability to speak? Does anyone have the right to prevent you from speaking? Absolutely not. To do so is to restrict an individuals natural-born right.

Same with having a weapon. Any kind of weapon. It only becomes a problem when you use that weapon in way that violates another individual. There is nothing inherently wrong with simply having a gun.



I dont know about you but i had to learn to speak myself. I wasnt born being able to speak and i dont know a single person who was.




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What kinda gun will you be getting?




:popcorn:





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Re: Is owning a gun a right or a privilege? [Re: Great Scott]
    #23703710 - 10/03/16 01:43 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Sounds like you are unaware of how the Bill of Rights was devised. It wasn't written to grant rights, it was written to enumerate and preserve the rights that were already granted to individuals upon birth. Were you born with the ability to speak? Does anyone have the right to prevent you from speaking? Absolutely not. To do so is to restrict an individuals natural-born right.

Same with having a weapon. Any kind of weapon. It only becomes a problem when you use that weapon in way that violates another individual. There is nothing inherently wrong with simply having a gun.



I dont know about you but i had to learn to speak myself. I wasnt born being able to speak and i dont know a single person who was.




You're completely missing the point.



You are missing the point. If you have to work for something its not a right. Explain mutes. They were not granted the right to speak. So only some people gets rights?


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Re: Is owning a gun a right or a privilege? [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #23703736 - 10/03/16 01:50 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

You're still missing the point. 

A deaf mute has the right to make any hand gesture or guttural, unintelligible utterance he wants. Just as someone who learns his culture's language and has earned his ability to speak words with discernible meanings has had that right all along.

Just because you have to earn your ability to use a right doesn't mean it wasn't a right all along. Take the 2nd amendment: You aren't born with the right to receive free guns and free weapons training. You are born with the right to earn those things (or be gifted them, if you should be so fortunate).


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Re: Is owning a gun a right or a privilege? [Re: Great Scott]
    #23703746 - 10/03/16 01:54 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Sounds like you are unaware of how the Bill of Rights was devised. It wasn't written to grant rights, it was written to enumerate and preserve the rights that were already granted to individuals upon birth. Were you born with the ability to speak? Does anyone have the right to prevent you from speaking? Absolutely not. To do so is to restrict an individuals natural-born right.

Same with having a weapon. Any kind of weapon. It only becomes a problem when you use that weapon in way that violates another individual. There is nothing inherently wrong with simply having a gun.




rights are imaginary, they're a good idea, but nature has no concept of rights, and for most of history rulers and didn't either. Arguably the 'rights' we all hold are really privileges, as the state has the power to take them away and end your life if it so pleases. That doesn't sound much like 'inalienable rights' to me

don't get me wrong, I'm all for rights I just think we have to be realistic about how we got them and how easily they could be taken away


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Re: Is owning a gun a right or a privilege? [Re: Ezuma]
    #23703789 - 10/03/16 02:03 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

What you're describing is tyranny. Particularly, government tyranny. Just because a tyrant has the physical ability to take away your rights, doesn't mean those rights never existed. It just means that the ability to violate those rights has also always existed.

It's terrifying to me how limited your guys' comprehension is regarding natural rights and the true spirit behind the Bill of Rights. You wouldn't know freedom if it bit you on the ass.


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Re: Is owning a gun a right or a privilege? [Re: Great Scott]
    #23703851 - 10/03/16 02:17 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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What you're describing is tyranny. Particularly, government tyranny. Just because a tyrant has the physical ability to take away your rights, doesn't mean those rights never existed. It just means that the ability to violate those rights has also always existed.

It's terrifying to me how limited your guys' comprehension is regarding natural rights and the true spirit behind the Bill of Rights. You wouldn't know freedom if it bit you on the ass.




yes, but arguably every government ever has been tyrannical to some extent. I would argue those rights ought to be upheld, defended and fought for of course, but I think it i silly to say they are god given or in any way natural. They are constructs, arrived at through philosophy, a lot of it religiously based no doubt, but they are imo one of the greatest achievement of men, not god. Which is exactly why they need to be defended, because they can be so easily taken away. I suppose my argument is a semantically based one and really I agree with you as to the importance of said rights


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Re: Is owning a gun a right or a privilege? [Re: Ezuma]
    #23703868 - 10/03/16 02:21 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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constructs, arrived at through philosophy



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I suppose my argument is a semantically based one




Basically, yes.


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Re: Is owning a gun a right or a privilege? [Re: Great Scott]
    #23703882 - 10/03/16 02:25 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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constructs, arrived at through philosophy



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I suppose my argument is a semantically based one




Basically, yes.




glad we agree on rights :thumbup:


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Re: Is owning a gun a right or a privilege? [Re: vandago]
    #23704917 - 10/03/16 08:17 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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in the US it's a right for all those not disqualified such as convicts, violent felons, etc...

in other parts of the world it's typically not a right





Not all convicts are banned from owning guns, all felons are, regardless of violence or not.





not all felons are excluded from owning a gun either





Under federal law no felons can own guns.

Find me literature that proves otherwise.

Also felons can vote in ohio.




felons can vote in several states, felons in prison can vote in a few

http://thelawdictionary.org/article/how-can-a-convicted-felon-receive-firearm-rights/


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    #23704924 - 10/03/16 08:21 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

A significant symbol of wrong mindedness and a token of self condemnation.


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Re: Is owning a gun a right or a privilege? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23705129 - 10/03/16 09:42 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

What kinda gun should I get?


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Re: Is owning a gun a right or a privilege? [Re: vandago]
    #23705146 - 10/03/16 09:47 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

go put your hands on some... and see what feels best.


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Re: Is owning a gun a right or a privilege? [Re: vandago] * 1
    #23705150 - 10/03/16 09:48 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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What kinda gun should I get?




Six shooter :ruggedwink:


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Re: Is owning a gun a right or a privilege? [Re: vandago]
    #23705239 - 10/03/16 10:15 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

HK USP compac. .40S&W

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The HK USP Compact is a small frame pistol capable of firing the most powerful cartridges in 9 mm, .40 S&W, .45 ACP, and .357 SIG (by special order). Based on the full-size USP models, these handy pistols combine compact size with optimum effective shooting performance.

USP Compacts are smaller and lighter than large frame USPs. The reduction in trigger reach and grip circumference increases concealability and enhances shooting ergonomics. Unlike some subcompact semiautomatic pistols that use a difficult to shoot “two-finger grip” frame, the USP Compact uses a narrow, full-hand grip frame with a choice of interchangeable extended or flush-fitting magazine floorplates. This makes the pistol easy to shoot without sacrificing concealability.

Like their large frame predecessors, USP Compacts are designed with the demanding needs of the law enforcement and military shooters in mind. Using a modified linkless Browning-type action, the USP Compact is built to take the punishment of high-energy +P loads.

To reduce the length of the slide and barrel on the USP Compact, the mechanical recoil reduction system found on large frame USPs has been replaced by a specially designed flat compression spring contained in the captive recoil spring assembly by a polymer absorber bushing. Service life is still engineered to exceed 20,000 rounds.

Easy to shoot, simple to maintain; the USP Compact is a reliable, safe, accurate, and highly concealable pistol.
Features & System Characteristics:
Corrosion proof fiber-reinforced polymer frame
Grooved target triggers
Polygonal bore profile for increased velocity, easier cleaning, and longer barrel life
Can be converted to any of nine trigger firing modes
Specially designed captive recoil spring assembly with polymer absorber bushing
Choice of corrosion resistant “Hostile Environment” blued finish or stainless steel slide
One piece machined slide made from nitro-carburized steel
No snag, bobbed hammer
Flared recurve trigger guard
Choice of flat and extended floorplate magazines
Universal mounting grooves for installing accessories
Ambidextrous magazine release lever
Contoured, extended slide release
Extractor doubles as a loaded chamber indicator
Patented Lock-Out Safety device




It will last longer than you and is worth the price.


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Re: Is owning a gun a right or a privilege? [Re: falsereality] * 1
    #23705247 - 10/03/16 10:17 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

It's my privilege to not own a gun.


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Re: Is owning a gun a right or a privilege? [Re: falsereality]
    #23705308 - 10/03/16 10:34 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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HK USP compac. .40S&W

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The HK USP Compact is a small frame pistol capable of firing the most powerful cartridges in 9 mm, .40 S&W, .45 ACP, and .357 SIG (by special order). Based on the full-size USP models, these handy pistols combine compact size with optimum effective shooting performance.

USP Compacts are smaller and lighter than large frame USPs. The reduction in trigger reach and grip circumference increases concealability and enhances shooting ergonomics. Unlike some subcompact semiautomatic pistols that use a difficult to shoot “two-finger grip” frame, the USP Compact uses a narrow, full-hand grip frame with a choice of interchangeable extended or flush-fitting magazine floorplates. This makes the pistol easy to shoot without sacrificing concealability.

Like their large frame predecessors, USP Compacts are designed with the demanding needs of the law enforcement and military shooters in mind. Using a modified linkless Browning-type action, the USP Compact is built to take the punishment of high-energy +P loads.

To reduce the length of the slide and barrel on the USP Compact, the mechanical recoil reduction system found on large frame USPs has been replaced by a specially designed flat compression spring contained in the captive recoil spring assembly by a polymer absorber bushing. Service life is still engineered to exceed 20,000 rounds.

Easy to shoot, simple to maintain; the USP Compact is a reliable, safe, accurate, and highly concealable pistol.
Features & System Characteristics:
Corrosion proof fiber-reinforced polymer frame
Grooved target triggers
Polygonal bore profile for increased velocity, easier cleaning, and longer barrel life
Can be converted to any of nine trigger firing modes
Specially designed captive recoil spring assembly with polymer absorber bushing
Choice of corrosion resistant “Hostile Environment” blued finish or stainless steel slide
One piece machined slide made from nitro-carburized steel
No snag, bobbed hammer
Flared recurve trigger guard
Choice of flat and extended floorplate magazines
Universal mounting grooves for installing accessories
Ambidextrous magazine release lever
Contoured, extended slide release
Extractor doubles as a loaded chamber indicator
Patented Lock-Out Safety device




It will last longer than you and is worth the price.





I've owned a .38 snub, .38 long, 2 .22 long 6 shot, .22 long 7 shot, 20 gauge, and PPK.  I liked the PPK the best. Cops took all of them aside from the 20 gauge and one of the .22's( that thing was so fucking nice, some fucker stole it from me, as well as one of the 6 shot .22's )


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Re: Is owning a gun a right or a privilege? [Re: falsereality] * 1
    #23705547 - 10/04/16 12:27 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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you can also get a drivers licence a hell of a lot sooner than you can get a firearm.

so that kinda nixes that argument.




I could walk into walmart and buy a shotgun with hollow point slugs in less than twenty minutes :shrug:. Or I could go to several gun stores and buy semi automatic sniper rifles in about thirty minutes.




Hollow point shotgun slugs-saboted slugs
Semi automatic sniper rifles-any deer rifle basically

Have you even shot a gun before? You seem to know very little about guns and maybe watch too much media.


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Re: Is owning a gun a right or a privilege? [Re: jakefake]
    #23705565 - 10/04/16 12:42 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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It's my privilege to not own a gun.




A privilege to meet you, :thumbup:


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    #23705569 - 10/04/16 12:46 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Right


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    #23705579 - 10/04/16 12:56 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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you can also get a drivers licence a hell of a lot sooner than you can get a firearm.

so that kinda nixes that argument.




I could walk into walmart and buy a shotgun with hollow point slugs in less than twenty minutes :shrug:. Or I could go to several gun stores and buy semi automatic sniper rifles in about thirty minutes.




Hollow point shotgun slugs-saboted slugs
Semi automatic sniper rifles-any deer rifle basically

Have you even shot a gun before? You seem to know very little about guns and maybe watch too much media.




I was trained to shoot rifles and shotguns in the boyscouts at ten, then made it onto the rifle team at SJMS at 14, became an expert marksman (the highest accuracy medal possible) under first sergeant White, also became a firearms instructor a few months later, and when I left I was invited to start training with the junior olympic team at fifteen, as I was a nationally ranked shooter. 

Try again...

I shot hollow point shotgun slugs a week ago and I didn't know they existed until then :shrug:

SR-25's motherfucker. Not just any deer rifle.


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    #23705582 - 10/04/16 12:58 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

LOL swing and a miss :imslow:


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    #23705585 - 10/04/16 12:58 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

They kick like a motherfucker though.



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Re: Is owning a gun a right or a privilege? [Re: falsereality]
    #23705588 - 10/04/16 01:01 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

My buddy's dad has a barrett 50 cal.

That thing I would consider a sniper rifle.

I said that cuz your wording sounded funny to be a gun nut. But I accept your credentials :rockon:

And they're in brass casings, that's crazy. Never seen those.


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    #23705594 - 10/04/16 01:04 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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you can also get a drivers licence a hell of a lot sooner than you can get a firearm.

so that kinda nixes that argument.




I could walk into walmart and buy a shotgun with hollow point slugs in less than twenty minutes :shrug:. Or I could go to several gun stores and buy semi automatic sniper rifles in about thirty minutes.




Hollow point shotgun slugs-saboted slugs
Semi automatic sniper rifles-any deer rifle basically

Have you even shot a gun before? You seem to know very little about guns and maybe watch too much media.




I was trained to shoot rifles and shotguns in the boyscouts at ten, then made it onto the rifle team at SJMS at 14, became an expert marksman (the highest accuracy medal possible) under first sergeant White, also became a firearms instructor a few months later, and when I left I was invited to start training with the junior olympic team at fifteen, as I was a nationally ranked shooter. 

Try again...

I shot hollow point shotgun slugs a week ago and I didn't know they existed until then :shrug:

SR-25's motherfucker. Not just any deer rifle.




Same kind of thing here. Second Class marksman. qualified skill at arms to a high level and instructed, won many inter detachment shooting comps with SA80 and LSW, won trophies and badges but think guns are very silly.

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'Guns are for babies'. :heytherebadboy:




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    #23705607 - 10/04/16 01:14 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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'Guns are for babies'. :heytherebadboy:




Titties are for babies too. You don't like titties?




On that subject, the quote is actually 'milk'.  Arnold quotes escape me. I hope he doesn't escape us too soon.  Perhaps the only time a firearm is justified. :wink:


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Re: Is owning a gun a right or a privilege? [Re: vandago]
    #23706017 - 10/04/16 08:44 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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