Home | Community | Message Board


This site includes paid links. Please support our sponsors.


Welcome to the Shroomery Message Board! You are experiencing a small sample of what the site has to offer. Please login or register to post messages and view our exclusive members-only content. You'll gain access to additional forums, file attachments, board customizations, encrypted private messages, and much more!

Kraken Kratom Shop: Red Vein Kratom

Jump to first unread post Pages: < Back | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | Next >  [ show all ]
OfflineMemories
 User Gallery


Registered: 05/09/12
Posts: 10,484
Loc: Suwannee River
Last seen: 3 years, 9 months
Re: Is owning a gun a right or a privilege? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23702138 - 10/03/16 12:38 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Prisoner#1 said:
in the US it's a right for all those not disqualified such as convicts, violent felons, etc...

in other parts of the world it's typically not a right




:thumbup:

I think it's silly when people try to take the use of "rights" further by saying things like healthcare is an inalienable human right as if the right to it exists outside of government. There is no such thing as rights outside of government except maybe in established cultural practices which is really a type of government in its own right.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineKenetic
Nam Sayin
 User Gallery


Registered: 08/24/14
Posts: 4,389
Loc: I don't believe in land Flag
Last seen: 5 years, 3 months
Re: Is owning a gun a right or a privilege? [Re: Memories]
    #23702160 - 10/03/16 12:43 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

lol @ "free society"


--------------------
Todo Cambia
   

               
                                                :cookiemonster::elmo:



DMT said: Everyone know's me, they just don't know it yet


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineShroomslip
Architekt
I'm a teapot User Gallery


Registered: 11/25/12
Posts: 23,651
Last seen: 54 minutes, 24 seconds
Re: Is owning a gun a right or a privilege? [Re: ruaware] * 1
    #23702172 - 10/03/16 12:49 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Well virtually all the driving a person does in their lifetime is going to be on public roads, around other people. I mean that's the purpose of the license.. Because of where you will be operating your 2 tons of instant death. You don't need a license to drive on private property (or at least if there's some technicality that says you do, it's basically completely unenforced). Having a gun doesn't basically guarantee you'll be operating it in public or around other people, and the laws around using them in public are a hell of a lot more strict than the rules for using your car in public. Hell even before you get to "operating it in public" in a lot of places and situations you need a license just to carry it around with you.

People love to use that argument a lot but the two aren't really comparable. Think about it.

If you want to actually compare gun to car, then it basically boils down to this: You can buy both without a license, in some places obtaining a gun puts you under greater scrutiny and operating the gun in public ALWAYS comes with more regulation than operating a car in public does.


--------------------
With my face against the floor I can’t see who knocked me out of the way.
I don’t want to get back up but I have to so it might as well be today.
Nothing appeals to me no one feels like me, I’m too busy being calm to disappear.
I’m in no shape to be alone contrary to the shit that you might hear.


You can't wake up, this is not a dream. You're part of a machine, you are not a human being
With your face all made up, living on a screen. Low on self esteem, so you run on gasoline


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinekoods
Ribbit
Male User Gallery


Registered: 05/26/11
Posts: 106,066
Loc: Maryland/DC Burbs
Last seen: 1 hour, 24 minutes
Re: Is owning a gun a right or a privilege? [Re: Memories]
    #23702182 - 10/03/16 12:55 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Owning certain types of guns is a right. Weapons that are unusually dangerous and/or not in common usage is the standard that the courts have used to determine if a particular gun is protected by the 2nd amendment. A good guide to what guns are not protected would be laws recently upheld in conn and ny.

None of these weapons are protected by the 2nd ammendment:

Quote:

(a) As used in this section and sections 53-202b to 53-202k, inclusive, “assault weapon” means: (1) Any selective-fire firearm capable of fully automatic, semiautomatic or burst fire at the option of the user or any of the other following specified semiautomatic firearms:
Algimec Agmi
Armalite AR-180
Australian Automatic Arms SAP Pistol
Auto-Ordnance Thompson type
Avtomat Kalashnikov AK-47 type
Barrett Light-Fifty model 82A1
Beretta AR-70
Bushmaster Auto Rifle and Auto Pistol
Calico models M-900, M-950 and 100-P
Chartered Industries of Singapore SR-88
Colt AR-15 and Sporter
Daewoo K-1, K-2, Max-1 and Max-2
Ecom MK-IV, MP-9 and MP-45
Fabrique Nationale FN/FAL, FN/LAR, or FN/FNC
FAMAS MAS 223
Feather AT-9 and Mini-AT
Federal XC-900 and XC-450
Franchi SPAS-12 and Law-12
Galil AR and ARM
(2) A part or combination of parts designed or intended to convert a firearm into an assault weapon, as defined in subdivision (1) of this subsection or any combination of parts from which an assault weapon, as defined in subdivision (1) of this subsection, may be rapidly assembled if those parts are in possession or under the control of the same person;
(3) Any semiautomatic firearm not listed in subdivision (1) of this subsection that meets the following criteria:
(A) A semiautomatic rifle that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at lease two of the following:
(i) A folding or telescoping stock;
(ii) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon;
(iii) A bayonet mount;
(iv) A flash suppressor or threaded barrel designed to accommodate a flash suppressor; and (v) A grenade launcher; or
(B) A semiautomatic pistol that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least two of the following:
(i) An ammunition magazine that attaches to the pistol outside of the pistol grip;
(ii) A threaded barrel capable of accepting a barrel extender, flash suppressor, forward handgrip
or silencer;
(iii) A shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel and that permits the shooter to hold the firearm with the non-trigger hand without being burned;
(iv) A manufactured weight of fifty ounces or more when the pistol is unloaded; and
(v) A semiautomatic version of an automatic firearm; or
(C) A semiautomatic shotgun that has at least two of the following:
(i) A folding or telescoping stock;
(ii) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon;
Goncz High-Tech Carbine and High-Tech Long Pistol Heckler & Koch HK-91, HK-93, HK-94 and SP-89 Holmes MP-83
MAC-10, MAC-11 and MAC-11 Carbine type
Intratec TEC-9 and Scorpion
Iver Johnson Enforcer model 3000
Ruger Mini-14/5F folding stock model only
Scarab Skorpion
SIG 57 AMT and 500 series
Spectre Auto Carbine and Auto Pistol
Springfield Armory BM59, SAR-48 and G-3
Sterline MK-6 and MK-7
Steyr AUG
Street Sweeper and Striker 12 revolving cylinder shotguns USAS-12
UZI Carbine, Mini-Carbine and Pistol
Weaver Arms Nighthawk
Wilkinson “Linda” Pistol




--------------------
NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibleruaware
Registered: 06/30/16
Posts: 383
. [Re: Shroomslip]
    #23702191 - 10/03/16 01:04 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

.


Edited by ruaware (12/06/16 02:07 AM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinekoods
Ribbit
Male User Gallery


Registered: 05/26/11
Posts: 106,066
Loc: Maryland/DC Burbs
Last seen: 1 hour, 24 minutes
Re: Is owning a gun a right or a privilege? [Re: Shroomslip]
    #23702192 - 10/03/16 01:04 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Shroomslip said:
Well virtually all the driving a person does in their lifetime is going to be on public roads, around other people. I mean that's the purpose of the license.. Because of where you will be operating your 2 tons of instant death. You don't need a license to drive on private property (or at least if there's some technicality that says you do, it's basically completely unenforced). Having a gun doesn't basically guarantee you'll be operating it in public or around other people, and the laws around using them in public are a hell of a lot more strict than the rules for using your car in public. Hell even before you get to "operating it in public" in a lot of places and situations you need a license just to carry it around with you.

People love to use that argument a lot but the two aren't really comparable. Think about it.

If you want to actually compare gun to car, then it basically boils down to this: You can buy both without a license, in some places obtaining a gun puts you under greater scrutiny and operating the gun in public ALWAYS comes with more regulation than operating a car in public does.



are you kidding? Traffic regulations take up more statutory space than just about any other category.


--------------------
NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineGreat Scott
Trigger Lover
Male User Gallery

Registered: 05/05/03
Posts: 19,797
Loc: Control Grid
Last seen: 4 years, 5 months
Re: Is owning a gun a right or a privilege? [Re: falsereality]
    #23702198 - 10/03/16 01:09 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

The right to keep and bear arms is a fundamental right. It's the right to having a means of defense. A caveman has the fundamental right to pick up a rock in defense against another caveman who pick up a rock. If a caveman fashions a club, the other caveman also has the right to fashion his own club. Fast forward to swords. If there's other people walking around with swords and you have the ability to make or acquire your own sword, you have that natural right to do so.

It's no different with guns. Up until 1934, everything was above board and in full compliance with the 2nd Amendment. Obviously concessions have been made since then.


--------------------
:thumbup: :thumbdown:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineShroomslip
Architekt
I'm a teapot User Gallery


Registered: 11/25/12
Posts: 23,651
Last seen: 54 minutes, 24 seconds
Re: Is owning a gun a right or a privilege? [Re: koods]
    #23702239 - 10/03/16 01:24 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I'm not talking about word count on a piece of paper. I'm talking about when it's acceptable to use and when it's not and under what circumstances. You are a lot more free to use your car on public roads than you are allowed to use a gun in public spaces. Also, I've yet to actually witness the enforcement of any regulation banning someone from operating a vehicle on their own property just because they live in the city limits or their property isn't large enough.

In places where both things are regulated, the most common use of a car on your own property is called "Parking". But it has many other names as well. Everything from maintenance and recreation to work and is totally legal. Usually using a gun on your property (that isn't in self defense situations which is one of the only times you're allowed to use it on your own property) is called "Negligent Discharge" at best and it is a crime you can be charged for.


--------------------
With my face against the floor I can’t see who knocked me out of the way.
I don’t want to get back up but I have to so it might as well be today.
Nothing appeals to me no one feels like me, I’m too busy being calm to disappear.
I’m in no shape to be alone contrary to the shit that you might hear.


You can't wake up, this is not a dream. You're part of a machine, you are not a human being
With your face all made up, living on a screen. Low on self esteem, so you run on gasoline


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinekoods
Ribbit
Male User Gallery


Registered: 05/26/11
Posts: 106,066
Loc: Maryland/DC Burbs
Last seen: 1 hour, 24 minutes
Re: Is owning a gun a right or a privilege? [Re: Shroomslip]
    #23702296 - 10/03/16 01:59 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Not buying it. The regulations for where and when and how you operate a motor vehicle are so ubiquitous, maybe you dont notice them. Every posted speed limit, yield sign, traffic signal, road marking, use of signals, etc represent a micromanaging of drivers is so far beyond anything a gun owner must deal with. To operate a motor vehicle, you have to pass a test that shows you know the laws of road. You have to pass a test that shows you know how to operate the car. You have to register the car. You have to get insurance on the car. None of these things apply to guns, at least not usually.

Quote:

yet to actually witness the enforcement of any regulation banning someone from operating a vehicle on their own property just because they live in the city limits or their property isn't large enough




Well, these comparisons only can go so far. Cars can't launch projectiles into other people's property, under normal operating conditions at least.


--------------------
NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”


Edited by koods (10/03/16 02:08 AM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineShroomslip
Architekt
I'm a teapot User Gallery


Registered: 11/25/12
Posts: 23,651
Last seen: 54 minutes, 24 seconds
Re: Is owning a gun a right or a privilege? [Re: koods]
    #23702337 - 10/03/16 02:46 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Most of what you said about operating a car only applies to operating it on public roads. Yes you have to take a test to prove you can do it and get and keep a valid license and follow the rules. To operate a gun in public you generally also have to do the same thing. You're not justified in illegally carrying a weapon even if you use it to legitimately defend yourself. You're still guilty of unlawfully carrying that weapon in public. Which is a crime that comes with even stiffer penalties than driving without insurance or a license. I've been caught driving without a license or insurance. I got a few hundred dollars in fines. You think if I were carrying without a CHL and got caught carrying it, or worse discharged it in public I'd walk away with just a few hundred dollars in fines? Hell no. I'd probably be lucky to get probation.

You're still trying to apply the number of regulations instead of the restrictions of those regulations. They are not the same thing. You know why there isn't as much micromanaging to carrying and using a gun in public? Because it's not anywhere near as complex as dealing with traffic. So trying to point to the number of laws on the books as a direct comparison between the two is nonsensical.


--------------------
With my face against the floor I can’t see who knocked me out of the way.
I don’t want to get back up but I have to so it might as well be today.
Nothing appeals to me no one feels like me, I’m too busy being calm to disappear.
I’m in no shape to be alone contrary to the shit that you might hear.


You can't wake up, this is not a dream. You're part of a machine, you are not a human being
With your face all made up, living on a screen. Low on self esteem, so you run on gasoline


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibleluvdemboomers
loner with a boner
Registered: 01/11/13
Posts: 5,054
Re: Is owning a gun a right or a privilege? [Re: Shroomslip]
    #23702423 - 10/03/16 04:14 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Koods,

How is that list of guns not protected by the second ammendment? Where in the second ammendment does it exclude certain guns? Last I checked, it clarified it self with the phrase "shall not be infringed"


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisiblePrisoner#1
Even Dumber ThanAdvertized!
 User Gallery

Registered: 01/22/03
Posts: 193,665
Loc: Pvt. Pubfag NutSuck
Re: Is owning a gun a right or a privilege? [Re: ruaware]
    #23702928 - 10/03/16 09:41 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

ruaware said:
Makes no sense to have obtaining a gun be easier than obtaining a drivers license





it's not.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisiblePrisoner#1
Even Dumber ThanAdvertized!
 User Gallery

Registered: 01/22/03
Posts: 193,665
Loc: Pvt. Pubfag NutSuck
Re: Is owning a gun a right or a privilege? [Re: LIBERTYNY]
    #23702960 - 10/03/16 09:49 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

LIBERTYNY said:
Quote:

Prisoner#1 said:
in the US it's a right for all those not disqualified such as convicts, violent felons, etc...

in other parts of the world it's typically not a right




Rights can not be taken away by outside forces, that would then be a privilege.




having a right taken away because of choices you make doesnt make it a privelege,
it's still a right but you made bad choices and some rights were take from you

Quote:

Criminals have every right to defend themselves we have





convicted felons dont have a right to own guns. so while they do have the right to
defend themselves against someone attacking them they dont have the same rights
that we do when it comes to self defense


Quote:

If someone is not sane enouth to own a firearm, they are not sane enouth to be in a free society.




so you're saying what exactly, the guy that served out his 30 years in prison for
murder should remain in prison or he should be allowed to own a gun again?


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisiblePrisoner#1
Even Dumber ThanAdvertized!
 User Gallery

Registered: 01/22/03
Posts: 193,665
Loc: Pvt. Pubfag NutSuck
Re: Is owning a gun a right or a privilege? [Re: luvdemboomers] * 1
    #23702966 - 10/03/16 09:52 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

luvdemboomers said:
Koods,

How is that list of guns not protected by the second ammendment? Where in the second ammendment does it exclude certain guns? Last I checked, it clarified it self with the phrase "shall not be infringed"





because in liberal logic; this (Ruger Mini-14/5F folding stock model only)




is way more dangerous than this




same gun, neither has a fire control group in it but one has a scary folding stock


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblevandago
 User Gallery


Registered: 07/07/04
Posts: 20,917
Loc: .
Re: Is owning a gun a right or a privilege? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23702970 - 10/03/16 09:53 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Prisoner#1 said:
in the US it's a right for all those not disqualified such as convicts, violent felons, etc...

in other parts of the world it's typically not a right





Not all convicts are banned from owning guns, all felons are, regardless of violence or not.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineKing Klick
That Guy Everyone Knows
Male User Gallery


Registered: 11/13/11
Posts: 7,267
Last seen: 7 months, 10 hours
Re: Is owning a gun a right or a privilege? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23702984 - 10/03/16 09:57 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Prisoner#1 said:
in the US it's a right for all those not disqualified such as convicts, violent felons, etc...



Which means it's not a right, it's a privelage


--------------------
Your god is dead, and I killed him.

When you’re lost, here I am. Forever with your soul



Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisiblePrisoner#1
Even Dumber ThanAdvertized!
 User Gallery

Registered: 01/22/03
Posts: 193,665
Loc: Pvt. Pubfag NutSuck
Re: Is owning a gun a right or a privilege? [Re: vandago]
    #23703002 - 10/03/16 10:07 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

vandago said:
Quote:

Prisoner#1 said:
in the US it's a right for all those not disqualified such as convicts, violent felons, etc...

in other parts of the world it's typically not a right





Not all convicts are banned from owning guns, all felons are, regardless of violence or not.





not all felons are excluded from owning a gun either


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisiblePrisoner#1
Even Dumber ThanAdvertized!
 User Gallery

Registered: 01/22/03
Posts: 193,665
Loc: Pvt. Pubfag NutSuck
Re: Is owning a gun a right or a privilege? [Re: King Klick]
    #23703003 - 10/03/16 10:08 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

King Klick said:
Quote:

Prisoner#1 said:
in the US it's a right for all those not disqualified such as convicts, violent felons, etc...



Which means it's not a right, it's a privelage





false.

is voting a right?


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineKing Klick
That Guy Everyone Knows
Male User Gallery


Registered: 11/13/11
Posts: 7,267
Last seen: 7 months, 10 hours
Re: Is owning a gun a right or a privilege? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23703009 - 10/03/16 10:10 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Prisoner#1 said:
Quote:

King Klick said:
Quote:

Prisoner#1 said:
in the US it's a right for all those not disqualified such as convicts, violent felons, etc...



Which means it's not a right, it's a privelage





false.

is voting a right?



Should be, but also, privilege.


--------------------
Your god is dead, and I killed him.

When you’re lost, here I am. Forever with your soul



Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflinePatlal
You ask too many questions
Male User Gallery


Registered: 10/09/10
Posts: 44,797
Loc: Ottawa Flag
Last seen: 12 hours, 55 minutes
Re: Is owning a gun a right or a privilege? [Re: King Klick]
    #23703029 - 10/03/16 10:18 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Rifles are a right that can be made into a privilege if you broke the law.

Handguns is just stupid.


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Jump to top Pages: < Back | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | Next >  [ show all ]

Kraken Kratom Shop: Red Vein Kratom


Similar ThreadsPosterViewsRepliesLast post
* What kind of gun should I get?
( 1 2 3 4 all )
Shroom_Herder 8,301 73 01/15/19 11:26 PM
by watermelon mon
* lewts set everyone straight on canda's gun laws. damnit!
( 1 2 all )
kadakuda 3,458 25 11/05/04 07:36 AM
by SummerBreeze
* Playing with guns
( 1 2 all )
ChiefThunderbong 3,606 31 07/30/04 08:33 AM
by FirstAvailable
* Machine gun....... Hooty 2,466 17 08/09/04 12:25 PM
by Hooty
* My friend was robbed at gun point today.... *DELETED*
( 1 2 all )
Chazzersize 1,756 20 04/24/04 10:58 AM
by Chazzersize
* Vandals - Gun for christmas (humor) Todcasil 631 1 12/12/04 07:32 PM
by Vvellum
* One-Sentence-Story....Add your own sentence to the story!!
( 1 2 3 all )
MOTH 5,150 53 10/25/04 04:52 PM
by Tasty_Smurf_House
* Guns
( 1 2 all )
iloveraving 2,982 20 12/12/04 03:50 PM
by silversoul7

Extra information
You cannot start new topics / You cannot reply to topics
HTML is disabled / BBCode is enabled
Moderator: Entire Staff
1,288 topic views. 1 members, 47 guests and 38 web crawlers are browsing this forum.
[ Show Images Only | Sort by Score | Print Topic ]
Search this thread:

Copyright 1997-2024 Mind Media. Some rights reserved.

Generated in 0.051 seconds spending 0.026 seconds on 15 queries.