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falsereality


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Is owning a gun a right or a privilege?
#23701915 - 10/02/16 10:49 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1
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Re: Is owning a gun a right or a privilege? [Re: falsereality] 4
#23701937 - 10/02/16 11:01 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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in the US it's a right for all those not disqualified such as convicts, violent felons, etc...
in other parts of the world it's typically not a right
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Re: Is owning a gun a right or a privilege? [Re: Prisoner#1] 3
#23701942 - 10/02/16 11:05 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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It's kinda both . It's a right until you've been deemed/proven untrustworthy or unsafe to own one, then it's a privilege that has been taken away.
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Re: Is owning a gun a right or a privilege? [Re: Shroomslip]
#23701948 - 10/02/16 11:10 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Shroomslip said: It's kinda both . It's a right until you've been deemed/proven untrustworthy or unsafe to own one, then it's a privilege that has been taken away.
Imo it's no more of a 'right' than driving a car... which is to say I think it's fine for most people to own and operate one, provided they complete some training and examination. Despite being Canadian I'm kinda fine with guns and think most decent people are at least no worse off having one
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Re: Is owning a gun a right or a privilege? [Re: Ezuma]
#23701961 - 10/02/16 11:18 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I prefer to look at it more like you have a right to live your life and go about your day as you please, until you fuck up, and then that "right" is taken away from you, either for your own safety or for the safety of those you might encounter in life.
I do and don't agree with forced licensing or training. I think everyone should have training, and preferably experience (gun rentals aren't all that expensive) before owning one of their own, but if you force that as an absolute rule, things can get all get screwy. There will be good programs and there will be bad, just as it is for the CHL classes and stuff now. Some are good reputable places, some will tell you incorrect info that could land you in jail. Some actually believe in what they're teaching and what they're doing, and some are just doing it for the money. The ones just doing it for the money are the ones you have to be wary of.
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Edited by ruaware (12/06/16 03:31 AM)
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falsereality


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Re: Is owning a gun a right or a privilege? [Re: ruaware] 3
#23702068 - 10/03/16 12:02 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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ruaware said: Makes no sense whatsoever to make obtaining a gun easier than obtaining a drivers license
A car is a several thousand pound vehicle that can be used to kill more effectively than a gun in a lot of cases.
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Re: Is owning a gun a right or a privilege? [Re: falsereality]
#23702077 - 10/03/16 12:08 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think everyone has the right to defend themselves. Owning a gun shouldn't be wrong if the people that control us own guns as well.
You have the right to do whatever you want. Others have the privilege to stop you.
What a topic.
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Re: Is owning a gun a right or a privilege? [Re: ruaware]
#23702079 - 10/03/16 12:09 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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you can also get a drivers licence a hell of a lot sooner than you can get a firearm.
so that kinda nixes that argument.
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falsereality


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Re: Is owning a gun a right or a privilege? [Re: rackem]
#23702084 - 10/03/16 12:11 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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rackem said: you can also get a drivers licence a hell of a lot sooner than you can get a firearm.
so that kinda nixes that argument.
I could walk into walmart and buy a shotgun with hollow point slugs in less than twenty minutes . Or I could go to several gun stores and buy semi automatic sniper rifles in about thirty minutes.
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Re: Is owning a gun a right or a privilege? [Re: falsereality]
#23702087 - 10/03/16 12:13 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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yeah, if you are of age..
if you are 16, you cant do that.
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falsereality


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Re: Is owning a gun a right or a privilege? [Re: rackem]
#23702093 - 10/03/16 12:17 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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rackem said: yeah, if you are of age..
if you are 16, you cant do that.
I legally owned a .45 Mark 23 handgun at that age for target practice and backpacking deep into the woods in CO (legal exception that allowed me to posses a handgun & ammo at sixteen).
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falsereality


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Re: Is owning a gun a right or a privilege? [Re: ruaware]
#23702099 - 10/03/16 12:19 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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ruaware said: But one is meant to transport you, and the other is meant to kill.
Both can kill.
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Re: Is owning a gun a right or a privilege? [Re: falsereality]
#23702108 - 10/03/16 12:22 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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good for them and that state legality.. thats fine by me.
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Re: Is owning a gun a right or a privilege? [Re: ruaware]
#23702113 - 10/03/16 12:24 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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ruaware said: Makes no sense to have obtaining a gun be easier than obtaining a drivers license
I dunno if you've paid attention to drivers recently, but forcing "education" on people isn't working out all that great in that regard.
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LIBERTYNY
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Re: Is owning a gun a right or a privilege? [Re: ruaware]
#23702127 - 10/03/16 12:30 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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If you can afford the weapon it's a right to own what you legally purchase. its not a right to endanger anyone else (baring per-existing agreement), You are responsible for your own actions.
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Re: Is owning a gun a right or a privilege? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23702136 - 10/03/16 12:37 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said: in the US it's a right for all those not disqualified such as convicts, violent felons, etc...
in other parts of the world it's typically not a right
Rights can not be taken away by outside forces, that would then be a privilege.
Criminals have every right to defend themselves we have
If someone is not sane enouth to own a firearm, they are not sane enouth to be in a free society.
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