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Re: Anyone ever throw away drugs? (and regret it afterwards.) [Re: Bigfeely123]
    #23706563 - 10/04/16 11:47 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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that's pretty much the only drug that is so bad for you..that you can visually see how unhealthy it is real fast..meet a girl at a hospital that weighed like 70 pounds rotten out teeth and swollen shut eyes and her butt the size of a 2 year old..was a scary sight on acid




Meth... the only drug bad for you? Dude even weed is not good for you.




If weed is vaporized or eaten it is extremely healthy for you.


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Re: Anyone ever throw away drugs? (and regret it afterwards.) [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23706580 - 10/04/16 11:53 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Its not extremely healthy for you, its just not terribly unhealthy for you.

I find your obsession of meth very peculiar. What made you want to be the authority on meth?


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Re: Anyone ever throw away drugs? (and regret it afterwards.) [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23706634 - 10/04/16 12:16 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Even if you were talking solely on your physical health I find that difficult to believe.


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Re: Anyone ever throw away drugs? (and regret it afterwards.) [Re: Mush 4 Brains]
    #23706672 - 10/04/16 12:27 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I am not an authority on meth, I do however know what experts (doctors, scientists, addictions workers, addicts and their families) say about meth and share that knowledge when relevant , in hopes of preventing more people from ruining their lives by starting to use it, perhaps as a result of ridiculous misinformation to the effect that it is not addictive.

I would do the same thing to try and correct someone who was under the illusion that sugar does not cause diabetes, that tobacco doesn't cause cancer, or that cocaine doesn't cause heart attacks.


The reason for drug education is harm reduction, and the motivation for harm reduction is compassion.

The truth is also it's own reward.


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Re: Anyone ever throw away drugs? (and regret it afterwards.) [Re: Bigfeely123] * 1
    #23706690 - 10/04/16 12:31 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Even if you were talking solely on your physical health I find that difficult to believe.




Many things are difficult to believe if you haven't familiarized yourself with the relevant evidence.

Ingesting cannabis is indeed extremely beneficial for your physical health, being a potent anti-inflammatory, neuroprotective and anti-carcinogenic.

It is similar in health benefits to curcumin, which is also extremely healthy.


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Re: Anyone ever throw away drugs? (and regret it afterwards.) [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23706724 - 10/04/16 12:42 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I don't think Ive ever thrown away drugs. But I've broken so many glass pipes for residue.

A friend of mine threw away 4 hits of some good LSD earlier this year and I was pretty pissed about that.

2 years ago one of my best friends overdosed on 25i-nbome tabs and my other friend who sold them to him and had been ordering bulk sheets off of the darkweb washed all his blotter in a swimming pool then threw them away cause he was tripping and my friend dying scared him so much. He went out to the lake and cut his arm really deep vertically then tried to drown himself because he thought his life was over. Talk about a bad trip. The friend who ODd was later revived in the hospital and hes still alive today.


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Re: Anyone ever throw away drugs? (and regret it afterwards.) [Re: trvptamine]
    #23706742 - 10/04/16 12:45 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

He washed the nbome in a pool AND threw it away?

I hope some poor kid didn't go swimming in that pool a minute later.


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Re: Anyone ever throw away drugs? (and regret it afterwards.) [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23706759 - 10/04/16 12:48 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

And the experts on meth are the authorities on what people can and can't do with their own lives? Maybe if you didn't try and convince people it's so bad, wrong, and what they should and shouldn't do they wouldn't have tried it to begin with. Let people experiment on their own, inform and educate them, but don't try and influence their decisions based on what you think is right or wrong.


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Re: Anyone ever throw away drugs? (and regret it afterwards.) [Re: Ceiling Cat]
    #23706768 - 10/04/16 12:52 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I never said anything about meth use being morally bad or wrong.

I said meth use is addictive and harmful, which is a fact.

If people choose to do meth knowing that it is addictive and harmful that is their right.

The problem is spreading misinformarion that it is not addictive, perhaps leading people to get into it without an accurate understanding of the risks and consequences.

You should ask yourself how You read me quoting scientists about how meth is addictive due to its dopamine effects and came up with me saying it is morally wrong, which I never said.





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Re: Anyone ever throw away drugs? (and regret it afterwards.) [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23706776 - 10/04/16 12:55 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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I am not an authority on meth, I do however know what experts (doctors, scientists, addictions workers, addicts and their families) say about meth and share that knowledge when relevant , in hopes of preventing more people from ruining their lives by starting to use it,




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Re: Anyone ever throw away drugs? (and regret it afterwards.) [Re: Ceiling Cat]
    #23706837 - 10/04/16 01:15 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Saying that something can ruin your life is not the same as saying It is morally wrong.

If you eat too much sugar you will get diabetes and become obese and that may well ruin your life.

If you start smoking you may well get cancer and ruin your life.

If you run headfirst into walls every day you may get brain damage and ruin your life.

Warning you about the risks and consequences of these actions is not the same as saying those actions are morally wrong .

Harmful does not mean the same thing are ethically bad.

Advising someone not to do something because it will harm them is not the same as telling them not to do it because it unethical or "wrong".


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Re: Anyone ever throw away drugs? (and regret it afterwards.) [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23706850 - 10/04/16 01:23 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Then when someone asks about anything, part of your response should be, "it can harm you". Saying that meth will ruin your life (or sugar will give you diabetes) is a blatant lie; as there are plenty of people who have done meth, and not "ruined their lives by starting to use it".


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Re: Anyone ever throw away drugs? (and regret it afterwards.) [Re: Ceiling Cat]
    #23706863 - 10/04/16 01:29 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Many people do ruin their lives as a result of choosing to try meth.

Not all, but many.

What I said was that the reason I warn people that meth is harmful and addictive is in hopes of preventing even a single person from having that happen to them.

Not everyone who smokes tobacco will die from cancer.

However many will.

Therefore it makes sense to warn people about this risk in hopes of preventing even one person from dying unnecessarily from a smoking related cancer.



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Re: Anyone ever throw away drugs? (and regret it afterwards.) [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23706914 - 10/04/16 01:46 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Everyone should know the dangers of oxygen, when your body metabolizes oxygen molecules, free radical oxygen ions may be generated. I'm just sharing this information in hopes of preventing even one person from dying unnecessarily from an oxygen related cancer. Buy your hemoglobin pre oxygenated and transfuse yourself.


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Re: Anyone ever throw away drugs? (and regret it afterwards.) [Re: Ceiling Cat] * 1
    #23706930 - 10/04/16 01:49 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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as there are plenty of people who have done meth, and not "ruined their lives by starting to use it"




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Everyone should know the dangers of oxygen, when your body metabolizes oxygen molecules, free radical oxygen ions may be generated. I'm just sharing this information in hopes of preventing even one person from dying unnecessarily from an oxygen related cancer. Buy your hemoglobin pre oxygenated and transfuse yourself.





Most people who I know have done meth, took the junkie ride.

Arguing that we should all just ignore the potential dangers of a substance which has been involved in so much junkie-behavior, is irresponsible.

How many people have you known to spend thousands of dollars in a day on oxygen?


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Re: Anyone ever throw away drugs? (and regret it afterwards.) [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23706938 - 10/04/16 01:52 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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He washed the nbome in a pool AND threw it away?

I hope some poor kid didn't go swimming in that pool a minute later.



There was definitely nobody swimming in that pool afterwards because everyone there was flipping out on nbome after just seeing their friend seize the fuck out


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Re: Anyone ever throw away drugs? (and regret it afterwards.) [Re: Ceiling Cat]
    #23706942 - 10/04/16 01:53 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

So your position is that using meth is of a level of safety comparable With breathing  ?

Or that advising people that meth is addictive and harmful is somehow unreasonable?

Given that these statements are patently absurd, I am inferring that you are yourself a meth user who feels defensive about the idea that your decision to use meth may ruin your life ?

Am I wrong in this inference?


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Re: Anyone ever throw away drugs? (and regret it afterwards.) [Re: Repertoire89]
    #23706956 - 10/04/16 01:58 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I'm not saying ignore the potential dangers, but when you tell people it will ruin their life it becomes a biased judgement that influences their decision; which is not how you go about "informing and educating", it is only providing one side of the arguement. Because someone's life is ruined + they use meth, does not equal "they ruined their life because of meth".


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Re: Anyone ever throw away drugs? (and regret it afterwards.) [Re: Ceiling Cat] * 1
    #23706967 - 10/04/16 02:02 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I did not say meth use would ruin everyone's life. What I said was my motivation  for sharing education about meth's addictive nature was to help prevent people from potentially ruining their lives , which is both reasonable and true.

It's no different than why I would educate people about the risks of cancer from smoking tobacco.

Not because everyone who smokes will get cancer but because enough smokers will get cancer that sharing that education is the responsible, compassionate and reasonable thing to do.

I'll ask again- is the reason you are being obtuse about this not because you are yourself a meth user , who is defensive about your life choice?


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Re: Anyone ever throw away drugs? (and regret it afterwards.) [Re: Ceiling Cat]
    #23706978 - 10/04/16 02:06 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Though I would never consider trying meth, there may be more to the picture.

Many people are prescribed opiates following surgery (etc) without falling into addictive behavior, perhaps the one's who do were inclined towards addiction in the first place, using drugs to fill a hole in their life. How many people here haven't done that to some degree :shrug:

In any case, the fuckery surrounding meth merits extreme caution in my opinion


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