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Fukushima Radiation Has Contaminated The Entire Pacific Ocean (article)
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(And It's Going To Get Worse)
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The nuclear disaster has contaminated the world's largest ocean in only five years and it's still leaking 300 tons of radioactive waste every day.
What was the most dangerous nuclear disaster in world history? Most people would say the Chernobyl nuclear disaster in Ukraine, but they’d be wrong. In 2011, an earthquake, believed to be an aftershock of the 2010 earthquake in Chile, created a tsunami that caused a meltdown at the TEPCO nuclear power plant in Fukushima, Japan. Three nuclear reactors melted down and what happened next was the largest release of radiation into the water in the history of the world. Over the next three months, radioactive chemicals, some in even greater quantities than Chernobyl, leaked into the Pacific Ocean. However, the numbers may actually be much higher as Japanese official estimates have been proven by several scientists to be flawed in recent years.
If that weren’t bad enough, Fukushima continues to leak an astounding 300 tons of radioactive waste into the Pacific Ocean every day. It will continue do so indefinitely as the source of the leak cannot be sealed as it is inaccessible to both humans and robots due to extremely high temperatures.
It should come as no surprise, then, that Fukushima has contaminated the entire Pacific Ocean in just five years. This could easily be the worst environmental disaster in human history and it is almost never talked about by politicians, establishment scientists, or the news. It is interesting to note that TEPCO is a subsidiary partner with General Electric (also known as GE), one of the largest companies in the world, which has considerable control over numerous news corporations and politicians alike. Could this possibly explain the lack of news coverage Fukushima has received in the last five years? There is also evidence that GE knew about the poor condition of the Fukushima reactors for decades and did nothing. This led 1,400 Japanese citizens to sue GE for their role in the Fukushima nuclear disaster.
Even if we can’t see the radiation itself, some parts of North America’s western coast have been feeling the effects for years. Not long after Fukushima, fish in Canada began bleeding from their gills, mouths, and eyeballs. This “disease” has been ignored by the government and has decimated native fish populations, including the North Pacific herring. Elsewhere in Western Canada, independent scientists have measured a 300% increase in the level of radiation. According to them, the amount of radiation in the Pacific Ocean is increasing every year. Why is this being ignored by the mainstream media? It might have something to do with the fact that the US and Canadian governments have banned their citizens from talking about Fukushima so “people don’t panic.”
Further south in Oregon, USA, starfish began losing legs and then disintegrating entirely when Fukushima radiation arrived there in 2013. Now, they are dying in record amounts, putting the entire oceanic ecosystem in that area at risk. However, government officials say Fukushima is not to blame even though radiation in Oregon tuna tripled after Fukushima. In 2014, radiation on California beaches increased by 500 percent. In response, government officials said that the radiation was coming from a mysterious “unknown” source and was nothing to worry about.
However, Fukushima is having a bigger impact than just the West coast of North America. Scientists are now saying that the Pacific Ocean is already radioactive and is currently at least 5-10 times more radioactive than when the US government dropped numerous nuclear bombs in the Pacific during and after World War II. If we don’t start talking about Fukushima soon, we could all be in for a very unpleasant surprise.
 Radioactive Debris from Fukushima approaching North America’s western coast Credit – RT
I saw this article elsewhere but the page wouldn't open...
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Re: Fukushima Radiation Has Contaminated The Entire Pacific Ocean (article) [Re: musiclover420]
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Its fucking scary how this is still happening. It will never stop and there is no way they could ever contain this. Tho like everything that happsn it gets swept under the rug and ignored by the media so I guess it doesnt exist anymore.
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Re: Fukushima Radiation Has Contaminated The Entire Pacific Ocean (article) [Re: SonicTitan]
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SonicTitan said: Its fucking scary how this is still happening. It will never stop and there is no way they could ever contain this. Tho like everything that happsn it gets swept under the rug and ignored by the media so I guess it doesnt exist anymore.
Yeah its really fucked up. Not sure how accurate this article is but its certainly a big issue.
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Re: Fukushima Radiation Has Contaminated The Entire Pacific Ocean (article) [Re: musiclover420]
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Gee wiz, a nuclear power plant released a ton of radioactive material into the ocean and it's really bad! I never knew that would happen!
Sorry, sarcasm.
As someone who spent their entire childhood and sum 22 years in and around Seattle / Portland, this is a travesty of epic proportions. It will have long lasting affects on the ecology and environment like nothing we've seen before in our life times.
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Re: Fukushima Radiation Has Contaminated The Entire Pacific Ocean (article) [Re: musiclover420]
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Sounds like exaggerated fear mongering
That being said, I'm against the use of nuclear energy in general, the risk of dotting our planet with reactors is insane.
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Re: Fukushima Radiation Has Contaminated The Entire Pacific Ocean (article) [Re: TNK] 1
#23700840 - 10/02/16 04:34 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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From the sea and from the Hanford site, jeez Washington will be a nuclear waste land in no time.
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Re: Fukushima Radiation Has Contaminated The Entire Pacific Ocean (article) [Re: ChinChiller]
#23700854 - 10/02/16 04:38 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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No kidding.
There have already been reports of fish contaminated radioactivity being sold locally in the fish markets.
Does that sound appealing to anyone?
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Re: Fukushima Radiation Has Contaminated The Entire Pacific Ocean (article) [Re: TNK]
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Pisaster spp. have virtually disappeared from California's intertidal community in the last 3 years or so.
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Re: Fukushima Radiation Has Contaminated The Entire Pacific Ocean (article) [Re: Repertoire89]
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Repertoire89 said: Sounds like exaggerated fear mongering
That being said, I'm against the use of nuclear energy in general, the risk of dotting our planet with reactors is insane.
I feel like more realistically the article is exaggerating some things to try and bring attention to a widely overlooked issue.
As commenters pointed out "300 tons daily" sounds pretty ludicrous even if it was "300 tons of contaminated seawater".
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Re: Fukushima Radiation Has Contaminated The Entire Pacific Ocean (article) [Re: musiclover420] 1
#23700921 - 10/02/16 04:57 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Its a serious issue in any case
Nuclear power should be avoided at all cost
Our ecosystem is fucked, its such a shame to trade so much beauty and life for the apparently fleeting abomination which is modern civilization.
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Re: Fukushima Radiation Has Contaminated The Entire Pacific Ocean (article) [Re: musiclover420]
#23700938 - 10/02/16 04:59 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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musiclover420 said: (And It's Going To Get Worse)
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 Radioactive Debris from Fukushima approaching North America’s western coast Credit – RT
OMG

Fukushimas' nuclear plant water coolant intake...
3 days after the quake. Should be an 'OMG' graem
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Re: Fukushima Radiation Has Contaminated The Entire Pacific Ocean (article) [Re: musiclover420] 5
#23701062 - 10/02/16 05:37 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Type Fukushima into google news and you will receive over a million results. Fukushima IS being talked about. Scientists across the Globe are studying Fukushima.
https://www.iaea.org/newscenter/focus/fukushima/status-update
How knowledgeable is the general public in topics of tritiated water, hydrogen transfer, radioisotope detection and origin analysis, radioisotope toxicity ect...
People ARE talking about it, but radiation physics is a complex topic and difficult to communicate. The general public has a 4th-grade level of comprehension in radioactivity. So they get stuck with the absolute worst information.
Take the following statement for example, "300 tons of radioactive waste per day". What does that even mean? I'm sorry, I'm a physicist but I sure as shit cant tell you what that means. Because they have provided no information about what constitutes radioactive waste.
300 tons of a high concentration radioactive solution can kill on contact, on the other hand, if one were to take 300 tons of water and drop in a few atoms of cesium, you can then make the claim that you now have 300 tons of radioactive waste, but what you really have is 300 tons of innocuous water.
When making such a claim, without a stated concentration, you have absolutely no information. The radioactive waste statement is quite literally, without meaning.
Take radioactivity out of the equation, lets look at cyanide, a commonly known poison that is lethally toxic. The EPA has a legal maximum concentration level for cyanide in drinking water in the US of 0.2 mg/L. People drink cyanide every day, but are not dropping dead in mass. Why? Concentration.
I didn't really read the article but I did follow the link and saw that they were using the following photo as a main image:

Look at legend on the right side of the map. See the units? Yea. centimeters. Radioactivity concentration is not measured in units of length. The map was actually a survey of wave heights from the earthquake, it has nothing to do with radioactivity. That should be your first hint when considering the credibility of the article.
The most reputable news on this issue will be found at the IAEA website linked above. And I will link a few more below.
US Health Physics Society: https://hps.org/search.cfm keyword" fukushima
US Nuclear Regulator Commission: http://www.nrc.gov/site-help/search.html?q=fukushima&site=allSites#gsc.tab=0&gsc.q=fukushima&gsc.sort=
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 Radioactive Debris from Fukushima approaching North America’s western coast Credit – RT
OMG

Fukushimas' nuclear plant water coolant intake...
3 days after the quake. Should be an 'OMG' graem
That is radioactive debris? Where are the measurements?
Chernobyl was worse than Fukushima because Chernobyl released its radioactive material into the atmosphere where it can settle down on surfaces. (A three dimensional release with two dimensional consequences). Fukushima's radiation is being diluted by an entire ocean. Do you have any idea what the volume of the Pacific Ocean is? 714,000,000 cubic kilometers.
300 tons of contaminated water is .0000003 cubic kilometers. Just a little math will show you that the radioactive material of 300 tons would be about 1 part per 23.8 quadrillion. (And that's assuming that every particle in that 300 tons is radioactive. In reality it's just water with a high concentration of radioactive material) That is equivalent to about 20 grains of sand out of ALL THE FUCKING SAND ON EVERY BEACH IN THE WORLD.
If someone was trying to sell Fukushima radiation as a cure by scooping out some water from puget sound, even a homeopath would call it a scam.
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Re: Fukushima Radiation Has Contaminated The Entire Pacific Ocean (article) [Re: Mojo]
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koods said: Chernobyl was worse than Fukushima because Chernobyl released its radioactive material into the atmosphere where it can settle down on surfaces. (A three dimensional release with two dimensional consequences). Fukushima's radiation is being diluted by an entire ocean. Do you have any idea what the volume of the Pacific Ocean is? 714,000,000 cubic kilometers.
300 tons of contaminated water is .0000003 cubic kilometers. Just a little math will show you that the radioactive material of 300 tons would be about 1 part per 23.8 quadrillion. That is equivalent to about 20 grains of sand out of ALL THE FUCKING SAND ON EVERY BEACH IN THE WORLD.
If someone was trying to sell Fukushima radiation as a cure by scooping out some water from puget sound, even a homeopath would call it a scam.
You are aware there is moisture in the atmosphere right? Clearly it is not all going to stay in the ocean. Even if it did it will still climb the food chain...
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Mojo said: Type Fukushima into google news and you will receive over a million results. Fukushima IS being talked about. Scientists across the Globe are studying Fukushima.
I have not seen an article about it in months if not years, maybe I just don't look around enough but you would think more major news sources would mention it.
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Re: Fukushima Radiation Has Contaminated The Entire Pacific Ocean (article) [Re: musiclover420]
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Actually a lot of it is probably going to sink right to the bottom of the ocean never to be seen again.
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Re: Fukushima Radiation Has Contaminated The Entire Pacific Ocean (article) [Re: koods]
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do you know how catastrophic that will be if it sinks to say a methane sheet and the particles suck up heat the whole world would choke on methane clouds and die out for 100s or thousands of years
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Stop your anti-fearmongering and throwing around facts like that. We want to be afraid damnit.
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Re: Fukushima Radiation Has Contaminated The Entire Pacific Ocean (article) [Re: Shroomslip]
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koods said: Actually a lot of it is probably going to sink right to the bottom of the ocean never to be seen again.
Oh wow a lot of it is going to sink... What do you think happened to particles from Chernobyl that landed on the ocean?
Water only makes up the majority of the earth so its not like tons of particles would settle into water...
Even if "a lot" of it is "probably" going to sink what the hell does that change?
People still will be eating radioactive fish (while they can) and being exposed to radiation all over the world becouse of this...
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Shroomslip said: Stop your anti-fearmongering and throwing around facts like that. We want to be afraid damnit.
What "facts" did he throw around?
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Re: Fukushima Radiation Has Contaminated The Entire Pacific Ocean (article) [Re: Konyap]
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Konyap said: do you know how catastrophic that will be if it sinks to say a methane sheet and the particles suck up heat the whole world would choke on methane clouds and die out for 100s or thousands of years
Explain to me how some radioactive material is going to release methane?
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Re: Fukushima Radiation Has Contaminated The Entire Pacific Ocean (article) [Re: koods]
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radioactive particles stay hot for hundreds of years if they hit a methane sheet in the pacific then that shit will turn into gas and completely kill every fucking thing on this planet this has happened at least once before during the ocean era
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What "facts" did he throw around? 
You know what a fact is, right?
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koods said: Fukushima's radiation is being diluted by an entire ocean. Do you have any idea what the volume of the Pacific Ocean is? 714,000,000 cubic kilometers.
300 tons of contaminated water is .0000003 cubic kilometers. Just a little math will show you that the radioactive material of 300 tons would be about 1 part per 23.8 quadrillion. (And that's assuming that every particle in that 300 tons is radioactive. In reality it's just water with a high concentration of radioactive material) That is equivalent to about 20 grains of sand out of ALL THE FUCKING SAND ON EVERY BEACH IN THE WORLD.
Cuz that's damn sure not an opinion.
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Re: Fukushima Radiation Has Contaminated The Entire Pacific Ocean (article) [Re: Shroomslip]
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Ahh I thought you were talking about something else.
I still don't care how he plays the numbers tons of radioactive material entering the ocean is clearly not going to be good...
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There have been 522 atmospheric detonations of nuclear devices on this planet. Why aren't we all mutants? Because the detrimental effects of radiation are dependent on concentration. The atmosphere and oceans dilute the radiation to nearly innocuous levels. The background levels of radiation we live with now, even with Fukushima, are far lower than existed 50 years ago.
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I still don't care how he plays the numbers tons of radioactive material entering the ocean is clearly not going to be good...
Is it good? No of course not. Locally, it is probably very bad. But the effects of the leak diminish very quickly with distance.
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The background levels of radiation we live with now, even with Fukushima, are far lower than existed 50 years ago.
Alright, what were they 50 years ago then? What are they now? If more radiation is flooding out how long until we close the gap?
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Is it good? No of course not. Locally, it is probably very bad. But the effects of the leak diminish very quickly with distance.
If that is true how come the west coast is already being effected apparently?..
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koods said: Actually a lot of it is probably going to sink right to the bottom of the ocean never to be seen again.
Or so you hope...
All I know is that I have little doubt that radioactive waste/radioactive water used to cool the rods is and has been leaking into the ocean, and I highly doubt that is good regardless of the percentages. That said I doubt it will be responsible for the end of the world, it's just another nail in the coffin is all...
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Re: Fukushima Radiation Has Contaminated The Entire Pacific Ocean (article) [Re: musiclover420]
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The background levels of radiation we live with now, even with Fukushima, are far lower than existed 50 years ago.
Alright, what were they 50 years ago then? What are they now? If more radiation is flooding out how long until we close the gap?
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Is it good? No of course not. Locally, it is probably very bad. But the effects of the leak diminish very quickly with distance.
If that is true how come the west coast is already being effected apparently?..
Where's the evidence it is? The starfish thing is complete speculation. That could be a disease, the effect of warming and acidifying oceans...
http://www.deepseanews.com/2013/12/three-reasons-why-fukushima-radiation-has-nothing-to-do-with-starfish-wasting-syndrome/
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Background radiation levels peaked in the 60s. Chernobyl is barely a blip.
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Re: Fukushima Radiation Has Contaminated The Entire Pacific Ocean (article) [Re: koods]
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Where are those levels recorded though? I don't see how a graph like that could accurately chart global radiation levels 
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Where's the evidence it is? The starfish thing is complete speculation. That could be a disease, the effect of warming and acidifying oceans...
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Not long after Fukushima, fish in Canada began bleeding from their gills, mouths, and eyeballs. This “disease” has been ignored by the government and has decimated native fish populations, including the North Pacific herring. Elsewhere in Western Canada, independent scientists have measured a 300% increase in the level of radiation. According to them, the amount of radiation in the Pacific Ocean is increasing every year.
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Further south in Oregon, USA, starfish began losing legs and then disintegrating entirely when Fukushima radiation arrived there in 2013. Now, they are dying in record amounts, putting the entire oceanic ecosystem in that area at risk. However, government officials say Fukushima is not to blame even though radiation in Oregon tuna tripled after Fukushima. In 2014, radiation on California beaches increased by 500 percent. In response, government officials said that the radiation was coming from a mysterious “unknown” source and was nothing to worry about.
I have a hard time believing that is all speculation
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Re: Fukushima Radiation Has Contaminated The Entire Pacific Ocean (article) [Re: koods]
#23701261 - 10/02/16 06:49 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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What's that giant spike?
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Re: Fukushima Radiation Has Contaminated The Entire Pacific Ocean (article) [Re: TNK]
#23701264 - 10/02/16 06:50 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Above ground nuclear testing by the US and Russia. In 1963, a ban on above ground nuclear testing took effect.
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Re: Fukushima Radiation Has Contaminated The Entire Pacific Ocean (article) [Re: musiclover420]
#23701276 - 10/02/16 06:54 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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musiclover420 said: Where are those levels recorded though? I don't see how a graph like that could accurately chart global radiation levels 
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Where's the evidence it is? The starfish thing is complete speculation. That could be a disease, the effect of warming and acidifying oceans...
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Not long after Fukushima, fish in Canada began bleeding from their gills, mouths, and eyeballs. This “disease” has been ignored by the government and has decimated native fish populations, including the North Pacific herring. Elsewhere in Western Canada, independent scientists have measured a 300% increase in the level of radiation. According to them, the amount of radiation in the Pacific Ocean is increasing every year.
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Further south in Oregon, USA, starfish began losing legs and then disintegrating entirely when Fukushima radiation arrived there in 2013. Now, they are dying in record amounts, putting the entire oceanic ecosystem in that area at risk. However, government officials say Fukushima is not to blame even though radiation in Oregon tuna tripled after Fukushima. In 2014, radiation on California beaches increased by 500 percent. In response, government officials said that the radiation was coming from a mysterious “unknown” source and was nothing to worry about.
I have a hard time believing that is all speculation 
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Starfish Wasting Disease/Syndrome (SWD/SWS) pre-Dates Fukushima by 3 to 15 years. This is probably the most self-evident of reasons. One of the earliest accounts of starfish wasting disease was recorded from Southern California (Channel Islands) in 1997 (pdf). The account of SWS in British Columbia was first documented by Bates et al. in 2009, and their data was collected in 2008. Fukushima? March 2011. Starfish Wasting Syndrome Occurs on the East Coast as well as the Pacific. Many of the accounts alleging a Fukushima connection to Starfish Wasting Syndrome forget that there are also accounts of SWS on the east coast of the United States affecting the asteriid Asterias rubens. There is no evidence (or apparent mechanism) for Fukushima radiation to have reached the east coast and therefore the Fukushima idea is again not supported. No other life in these regions seems to have been affected. If we watch the original British Columbia Pycnopodia die-off videos, and the later Washington state die-off vidoes, one cannot help but notice that other than the starfish, EVERYTHING else remains alive. Fish. Seaweed, encrusting animals. etc.
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Re: Fukushima Radiation Has Contaminated The Entire Pacific Ocean (article) [Re: koods]
#23701299 - 10/02/16 07:02 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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i'd say it's settled. koods is a freak for trees (literal trees!), and he linked "deepseanews" -- you linked "zerohedge", clearly some like activist site.
and koods wouldn't lie about EP stuff.
i say the motion is defeated.
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Re: Fukushima Radiation Has Contaminated The Entire Pacific Ocean (article) [Re: koods]
#23701339 - 10/02/16 07:21 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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What about all the non starfish related stuff I quoted then?
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Re: Fukushima Radiation Has Contaminated The Entire Pacific Ocean (article) [Re: musiclover420]
#23701366 - 10/02/16 07:27 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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You can't simply say that fish with bleeding gills is due to radiation. Where's the evidence. A lot of fish diseases cause bleeding gills. Look up pfisteria.
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Re: Fukushima Radiation Has Contaminated The Entire Pacific Ocean (article) [Re: koods]
#23701384 - 10/02/16 07:33 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Department of health in Washington state says it's fine.
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In 2012, we began testing fish and shellfish for radiation levels. The fish and shellfish samples were collected from Pacific coast waters. Samples included albacore tuna, steelhead, salmon, and halibut. We also tested an albacore tuna caught in 2009, before the Fukushima disaster. The razor clams and mussels were collected at Pacific beaches in Washington.
We tested for three isotopes: cesium-134, cesium-137, and strontium-90. All three are produced in nuclear power reactors. Cesium-134 has a shorter half-life than the others. If cesium-134 is detected, it most likely would have come from the Fukushima disaster. Cesium-137 and strontium-90 could be from any one of several sources, including Fukushima. All tests found levels of radiation well below what could be a public health risk
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Re: Fukushima Radiation Has Contaminated The Entire Pacific Ocean (article) [Re: TNK]
#23701443 - 10/02/16 07:56 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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TheNatureKid said: No kidding.
There have already been reports of fish contaminated radioactivity being sold locally in the fish markets.
Does that sound appealing to anyone?
never have I been more relieved by my dislike of seafood.
I do like tuna fish though, and that's essentially mercury poisoning in a can even if it comes out of the atlantic.
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Re: Fukushima Radiation Has Contaminated The Entire Pacific Ocean (article) [Re: musiclover420]
#23701834 - 10/02/16 10:09 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think its just radioactive iodine being dumped into the ocean. That's not too bad because it only lasts 90-100 days. Its half life is such that the water only needs to be stored for 90 days before being discharged safely. I think this story is fear mongering more than anything. Seriously, just look into radioactive iodine and its half life and then quit worrying so much.
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Re: Fukushima Radiation Has Contaminated The Entire Pacific Ocean (article) [Re: pirate-blues]
#23701838 - 10/02/16 10:12 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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TheNatureKid said: No kidding.
There have already been reports of fish contaminated radioactivity being sold locally in the fish markets.
Does that sound appealing to anyone?
never have I been more relieved by my dislike of seafood.
I do like tuna fish though, and that's essentially mercury poisoning in a can even if it comes out of the atlantic.
If you had a fish you knew to contain radioactive iodine you could just store it in your freezer for 100 days and it would then be safe to consume because the decay would have all occured within that time. Its kind of like radioactive fallout from a bomb lasts 14 days before its safe, the iodine just has a little longer lalf life than bomb fallout.
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Ellis Dee said: Its kind of like radioactive fallout from a bomb lasts 14 days before its safe, the iodine just has a little longer lalf life than bomb fallout.
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Re: Fukushima Radiation Has Contaminated The Entire Pacific Ocean (article) [Re: musiclover420]
#23702687 - 10/03/16 08:03 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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First the BP oil spill terrified and saddened me-
Then Fukushma horrified me and convinced me the world would end
Then I learned about the Arctic methane release and realized that by comparison Fukushma is nothing .
That broke the meter on my horror and end of the world terror so I stopped following the news or paying attention to anything disturbing.
We are all going to die eventually and the world will.will end eventually-
I am a doomsday prepped and a survivalist- and I will keep developing my doomsday fortress for as long as I live.
But my real solution is spirituality. I know / believe that the soul is immortal and survives the death of the body and that consciousness does not depend on the brain.
Attaining salvation and enlightenment and enjoying my life is my priority. Anything that causes me stress I completely ignore.
Breathe deep, seek peace, and prep hard
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Re: Fukushima Radiation Has Contaminated The Entire Pacific Ocean (article) [Re: Moonshoe]
#23702703 - 10/03/16 08:10 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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There's radioactive shit everywhere, sunlight is radioactive. The particles you need to worry about from the fukushima reactor are not the alphas, betas, or gammas; it is the neutrons, but these decay in about 7 minutes. Also water having a large neutron capture cross section helps suck those free nuetrons. They are better off in the ocean making heavy water, than in our lungs making god knows what.
I'm not saying there's not a problem with all the radiation, but people are too afraid about what they don't know. Plus media coverage : radiation is bad blah blah scary shot blah blah nuclear reactors cause more damage than coal burning plants blah blah coal is so profitable for us.
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Re: Fukushima Radiation Has Contaminated The Entire Pacific Ocean (article) [Re: Ceiling Cat]
#23703069 - 10/03/16 10:32 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Some extra people in Japan will get various forms of cancer. Some wildlife extremely close to the release point may experience an increase in mutations.
It is not the end of the world and in many ways probably less devastating than a chemical release could easily be. In fact wildlife will probably thrive in the surrounding land and water because people will not be living or fishing in those areas.
Radiation in all but the most extreme cases does not equal mass death by any means. It isn't really poison. It just leads to some gene changes that may or may not manifest as mutations and cancers in fairly small percentage of human and animal populations.
There is a lot of stuff to worry about, and this accident is a giant mess, but it is barely even a single straw on the camel's back of our global environment.
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