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Re: Fukushima Radiation Has Contaminated The Entire Pacific Ocean (article) [Re: koods]
#23701183 - 10/02/16 06:19 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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radioactive particles stay hot for hundreds of years if they hit a methane sheet in the pacific then that shit will turn into gas and completely kill every fucking thing on this planet this has happened at least once before during the ocean era
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Re: Fukushima Radiation Has Contaminated The Entire Pacific Ocean (article) [Re: musiclover420] 3
#23701187 - 10/02/16 06:20 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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What "facts" did he throw around? 
You know what a fact is, right?
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koods said: Fukushima's radiation is being diluted by an entire ocean. Do you have any idea what the volume of the Pacific Ocean is? 714,000,000 cubic kilometers.
300 tons of contaminated water is .0000003 cubic kilometers. Just a little math will show you that the radioactive material of 300 tons would be about 1 part per 23.8 quadrillion. (And that's assuming that every particle in that 300 tons is radioactive. In reality it's just water with a high concentration of radioactive material) That is equivalent to about 20 grains of sand out of ALL THE FUCKING SAND ON EVERY BEACH IN THE WORLD.
Cuz that's damn sure not an opinion.
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Re: Fukushima Radiation Has Contaminated The Entire Pacific Ocean (article) [Re: Shroomslip]
#23701191 - 10/02/16 06:22 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ahh I thought you were talking about something else.
I still don't care how he plays the numbers tons of radioactive material entering the ocean is clearly not going to be good...
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Re: Fukushima Radiation Has Contaminated The Entire Pacific Ocean (article) [Re: musiclover420] 2
#23701195 - 10/02/16 06:24 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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There have been 522 atmospheric detonations of nuclear devices on this planet. Why aren't we all mutants? Because the detrimental effects of radiation are dependent on concentration. The atmosphere and oceans dilute the radiation to nearly innocuous levels. The background levels of radiation we live with now, even with Fukushima, are far lower than existed 50 years ago.
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musiclover420 said: Ahh I thought you were talking about something else.
I still don't care how he plays the numbers tons of radioactive material entering the ocean is clearly not going to be good...
Is it good? No of course not. Locally, it is probably very bad. But the effects of the leak diminish very quickly with distance.
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Re: Fukushima Radiation Has Contaminated The Entire Pacific Ocean (article) [Re: koods]
#23701209 - 10/02/16 06:30 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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The background levels of radiation we live with now, even with Fukushima, are far lower than existed 50 years ago.
Alright, what were they 50 years ago then? What are they now? If more radiation is flooding out how long until we close the gap?
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Is it good? No of course not. Locally, it is probably very bad. But the effects of the leak diminish very quickly with distance.
If that is true how come the west coast is already being effected apparently?..
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Re: Fukushima Radiation Has Contaminated The Entire Pacific Ocean (article) [Re: musiclover420]
#23701216 - 10/02/16 06:33 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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koods said: Actually a lot of it is probably going to sink right to the bottom of the ocean never to be seen again.
Or so you hope...
All I know is that I have little doubt that radioactive waste/radioactive water used to cool the rods is and has been leaking into the ocean, and I highly doubt that is good regardless of the percentages. That said I doubt it will be responsible for the end of the world, it's just another nail in the coffin is all...
A little damage to DNA is a good thing from the perspective of the species as a whole. It's what drives evolution.
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Re: Fukushima Radiation Has Contaminated The Entire Pacific Ocean (article) [Re: musiclover420]
#23701221 - 10/02/16 06:34 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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The background levels of radiation we live with now, even with Fukushima, are far lower than existed 50 years ago.
Alright, what were they 50 years ago then? What are they now? If more radiation is flooding out how long until we close the gap?
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Is it good? No of course not. Locally, it is probably very bad. But the effects of the leak diminish very quickly with distance.
If that is true how come the west coast is already being effected apparently?..
Where's the evidence it is? The starfish thing is complete speculation. That could be a disease, the effect of warming and acidifying oceans...
http://www.deepseanews.com/2013/12/three-reasons-why-fukushima-radiation-has-nothing-to-do-with-starfish-wasting-syndrome/
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Re: Fukushima Radiation Has Contaminated The Entire Pacific Ocean (article) [Re: koods]
#23701250 - 10/02/16 06:44 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Background radiation levels peaked in the 60s. Chernobyl is barely a blip.
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Re: Fukushima Radiation Has Contaminated The Entire Pacific Ocean (article) [Re: koods]
#23701259 - 10/02/16 06:48 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Where are those levels recorded though? I don't see how a graph like that could accurately chart global radiation levels 
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Where's the evidence it is? The starfish thing is complete speculation. That could be a disease, the effect of warming and acidifying oceans...
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Not long after Fukushima, fish in Canada began bleeding from their gills, mouths, and eyeballs. This “disease” has been ignored by the government and has decimated native fish populations, including the North Pacific herring. Elsewhere in Western Canada, independent scientists have measured a 300% increase in the level of radiation. According to them, the amount of radiation in the Pacific Ocean is increasing every year.
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Further south in Oregon, USA, starfish began losing legs and then disintegrating entirely when Fukushima radiation arrived there in 2013. Now, they are dying in record amounts, putting the entire oceanic ecosystem in that area at risk. However, government officials say Fukushima is not to blame even though radiation in Oregon tuna tripled after Fukushima. In 2014, radiation on California beaches increased by 500 percent. In response, government officials said that the radiation was coming from a mysterious “unknown” source and was nothing to worry about.
I have a hard time believing that is all speculation
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Re: Fukushima Radiation Has Contaminated The Entire Pacific Ocean (article) [Re: koods]
#23701261 - 10/02/16 06:49 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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What's that giant spike?
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Re: Fukushima Radiation Has Contaminated The Entire Pacific Ocean (article) [Re: TNK]
#23701264 - 10/02/16 06:50 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Above ground nuclear testing by the US and Russia. In 1963, a ban on above ground nuclear testing took effect.
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Re: Fukushima Radiation Has Contaminated The Entire Pacific Ocean (article) [Re: musiclover420]
#23701276 - 10/02/16 06:54 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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musiclover420 said: Where are those levels recorded though? I don't see how a graph like that could accurately chart global radiation levels 
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Where's the evidence it is? The starfish thing is complete speculation. That could be a disease, the effect of warming and acidifying oceans...
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Not long after Fukushima, fish in Canada began bleeding from their gills, mouths, and eyeballs. This “disease” has been ignored by the government and has decimated native fish populations, including the North Pacific herring. Elsewhere in Western Canada, independent scientists have measured a 300% increase in the level of radiation. According to them, the amount of radiation in the Pacific Ocean is increasing every year.
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Further south in Oregon, USA, starfish began losing legs and then disintegrating entirely when Fukushima radiation arrived there in 2013. Now, they are dying in record amounts, putting the entire oceanic ecosystem in that area at risk. However, government officials say Fukushima is not to blame even though radiation in Oregon tuna tripled after Fukushima. In 2014, radiation on California beaches increased by 500 percent. In response, government officials said that the radiation was coming from a mysterious “unknown” source and was nothing to worry about.
I have a hard time believing that is all speculation 
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Starfish Wasting Disease/Syndrome (SWD/SWS) pre-Dates Fukushima by 3 to 15 years. This is probably the most self-evident of reasons. One of the earliest accounts of starfish wasting disease was recorded from Southern California (Channel Islands) in 1997 (pdf). The account of SWS in British Columbia was first documented by Bates et al. in 2009, and their data was collected in 2008. Fukushima? March 2011. Starfish Wasting Syndrome Occurs on the East Coast as well as the Pacific. Many of the accounts alleging a Fukushima connection to Starfish Wasting Syndrome forget that there are also accounts of SWS on the east coast of the United States affecting the asteriid Asterias rubens. There is no evidence (or apparent mechanism) for Fukushima radiation to have reached the east coast and therefore the Fukushima idea is again not supported. No other life in these regions seems to have been affected. If we watch the original British Columbia Pycnopodia die-off videos, and the later Washington state die-off vidoes, one cannot help but notice that other than the starfish, EVERYTHING else remains alive. Fish. Seaweed, encrusting animals. etc.
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Re: Fukushima Radiation Has Contaminated The Entire Pacific Ocean (article) [Re: koods]
#23701299 - 10/02/16 07:02 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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i'd say it's settled. koods is a freak for trees (literal trees!), and he linked "deepseanews" -- you linked "zerohedge", clearly some like activist site.
and koods wouldn't lie about EP stuff.
i say the motion is defeated.
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Re: Fukushima Radiation Has Contaminated The Entire Pacific Ocean (article) [Re: koods]
#23701339 - 10/02/16 07:21 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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What about all the non starfish related stuff I quoted then?
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Re: Fukushima Radiation Has Contaminated The Entire Pacific Ocean (article) [Re: musiclover420]
#23701366 - 10/02/16 07:27 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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You can't simply say that fish with bleeding gills is due to radiation. Where's the evidence. A lot of fish diseases cause bleeding gills. Look up pfisteria.
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Re: Fukushima Radiation Has Contaminated The Entire Pacific Ocean (article) [Re: koods]
#23701384 - 10/02/16 07:33 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Department of health in Washington state says it's fine.
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In 2012, we began testing fish and shellfish for radiation levels. The fish and shellfish samples were collected from Pacific coast waters. Samples included albacore tuna, steelhead, salmon, and halibut. We also tested an albacore tuna caught in 2009, before the Fukushima disaster. The razor clams and mussels were collected at Pacific beaches in Washington.
We tested for three isotopes: cesium-134, cesium-137, and strontium-90. All three are produced in nuclear power reactors. Cesium-134 has a shorter half-life than the others. If cesium-134 is detected, it most likely would have come from the Fukushima disaster. Cesium-137 and strontium-90 could be from any one of several sources, including Fukushima. All tests found levels of radiation well below what could be a public health risk
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Re: Fukushima Radiation Has Contaminated The Entire Pacific Ocean (article) [Re: TNK]
#23701443 - 10/02/16 07:56 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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TheNatureKid said: No kidding.
There have already been reports of fish contaminated radioactivity being sold locally in the fish markets.
Does that sound appealing to anyone?
never have I been more relieved by my dislike of seafood.
I do like tuna fish though, and that's essentially mercury poisoning in a can even if it comes out of the atlantic.
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Re: Fukushima Radiation Has Contaminated The Entire Pacific Ocean (article) [Re: musiclover420]
#23701834 - 10/02/16 10:09 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think its just radioactive iodine being dumped into the ocean. That's not too bad because it only lasts 90-100 days. Its half life is such that the water only needs to be stored for 90 days before being discharged safely. I think this story is fear mongering more than anything. Seriously, just look into radioactive iodine and its half life and then quit worrying so much.
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Re: Fukushima Radiation Has Contaminated The Entire Pacific Ocean (article) [Re: pirate-blues]
#23701838 - 10/02/16 10:12 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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pirate-blues said:
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TheNatureKid said: No kidding.
There have already been reports of fish contaminated radioactivity being sold locally in the fish markets.
Does that sound appealing to anyone?
never have I been more relieved by my dislike of seafood.
I do like tuna fish though, and that's essentially mercury poisoning in a can even if it comes out of the atlantic.
If you had a fish you knew to contain radioactive iodine you could just store it in your freezer for 100 days and it would then be safe to consume because the decay would have all occured within that time. Its kind of like radioactive fallout from a bomb lasts 14 days before its safe, the iodine just has a little longer lalf life than bomb fallout.
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Re: Fukushima Radiation Has Contaminated The Entire Pacific Ocean (article) [Re: Ellis Dee] 3
#23701925 - 10/02/16 10:54 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ellis Dee said: Its kind of like radioactive fallout from a bomb lasts 14 days before its safe, the iodine just has a little longer lalf life than bomb fallout.
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