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Brits want Hillary to win
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Looks like sky news is all for Clinton, completing degrading Donald Trump with their 'intelligent discussions', which btw consist of jokes about the poor.
As for the election I don't care who wins cos it's seems USA has to pick one of two terrible candidates. Cannot wait till this is over.
Who's for Hillary and who's for Trump?
Also, how's your evening?/ day?
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Vermin Supreme all day, I feel like we'd do a lot better with a pony based economy.
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SirShroomsAlott said: Vermin Supreme all day, I feel like we'd do a lot better with a pony based economy.
This. Also zombie powered turbines
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Trade based economy ftw!
Ponies make me wild
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Trading ponies yes. Haven't you seen vermin supreme videos ? He has run for president every year since 93 or 94
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I haven't but I'm gonna check it out! Surpirised I haven't heard of him. Then again I don't follow the elections tightly.
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Well you do know it is the poor people's fault for being poor. Sarcasm
Lot's of people have worked hard both in education and career.
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ask literally any modern country... they all want trump to lose because for whatever reason... we can all see how fucking slimy and evil he is.
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May vote Green, may not vote at all.
I think Trump would be worse than Hillary, which is hard to say considering how unappealing she is, but yeah he's worse.
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Trump is a salesman. He sells himself and his bullshit ideas. It's the political nature of people but I don't think they actually fell much of anything. Trump will empower corporations who already have so much power and privilege. Hillary who the fuck knows what she will do but it will be quieter.
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It almost seems like a throw away election. Like they know something bad is going to happen, so both sides are trying to lose because they don't want to take the blame, but they don't want to give up the jig.
I am voting for Jill Stein, if I make it to the voting booth. I'd encourage everyone to vote for who they actually want to win and not play the game, but nobody listens to me
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Repertoire89 said: May vote Green, may not vote at all.
I think Trump would be worse than Hillary, which is hard to say considering how unappealing she is, but yeah he's worse.
Where are people like Gary Johnson? They don't get a lot of media coverage compared to Hillary and Trump.
I'd say don't vote and let them deal with the consequences. We pay them to make decisions yet they call on the public for the decision making???
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3rd party all the way, if I vote that will no doubt be where it goes. Fuck Trump and Hillary, no way will I choose between a douche and a turd.
Giant Douche vs Turd Sandwich
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Almost as good as the taco vs pickle.
Pickle is slendeeerr
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I am voting for Jill Stein, if I make it to the voting booth. I'd encourage everyone to vote for who they actually want to win and not play the game, but nobody listens to me 
Definitely agree, people empower the two party system when they vote "for the lesser of two evils"
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Where are people like Gary Johnson? They don't get a lot of media coverage compared to Hillary and Trump.
Well they're blocked out of the media on purpose.
On another note, Johnson is a libertarian, I have as little interest in that as neo-liberalism.
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Where are people like Gary Johnson? They don't get a lot of media coverage compared to Hillary and Trump.
Well they're blocked out of the media on purpose.
On another note, Johnson is a libertarian, I have as little interest in that as neo-liberalism.
they, johnsone and stein, are the same sort of horse shit that's running in the real presidential race, not the kiddie table at thanksgiving version
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Re: Brits want Hillary to win [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23700483 - 10/02/16 02:38 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Why do you say that?
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why would you believe they're different, they call themselves green part and libertarian but the reality is they're moderate liberals
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Re: Brits want Hillary to win [Re: Prisoner#1]
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That does appear to be the case to some degree at least, I haven't noticed a whole lot of corruption in the Green party though, don't care to look into the Libertarian party since I disagree with the basic premise.
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Re: Brits want Hillary to win [Re: Prisoner#1]
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I can see that to an extent. But they're all friends so they don't really care who wins cos they all win essentially.
Bring back leaders like Hitler...oh wait he was a racist and mass murderer? Actually he didn't do anything, his soldiers did. Just as American soldiers fight wars and die for the president who doesn't leave the office.
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Electric Wizard21 said: I can see that to an extent. But they're all friends so they don't really care who wins cos they all win essentially.
Bring back leaders like Hitler...oh wait he was a racist and mass murderer? Actually he didn't do anything, his soldiers did. Just as American soldiers fight wars and die for the president who doesn't leave the office.
Hitler gave orders and inspired people to do wrong and they all paid
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Re: Brits want Hillary to win [Re: Morel Guy]
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Thanks for reiterating my words slightly differently
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Re: Brits want Hillary to win [Re: Morel Guy]
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Morel Guy said: Trump is a salesman. He sells himself and his bullshit ideas. It's the political nature of people but I don't think they actually fell much of anything. Trump will empower corporations who already have so much power and privilege. Hillary who the fuck knows what she will do but it will be quieter.
Well put
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Repertoire89 said: That does appear to be the case to some degree at least, I haven't noticed a whole lot of corruption in the Green party though, don't care to look into the Libertarian party since I disagree with the basic premise.
http://greencorruption.blogspot.com/
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Well, as someone who was born and raised, and resides in the British Isles (Never seen an Irish or Scot call themselves a Brit now, do you? It's a political term because somehow saying English is a faux pas) I can say I'm neither for Trump nor Hilitary and I can't fucking spell her name. Why does she have to have a name so similar to hitler?
Anyway. America needs to be single for a while, these presidents aren't doing you any favours and just going from one to another without time to heal is just going to make the situation worse.
Also Clinton/Trump (why is it not Donald vs Clinton, or Hillary/Donald/Clinton/Trump? Why is one referred to as their first name and the other by their surname?) supports are like a bunch of milwal twats.
Fucking scumbags the lot of them
Also, why is it that when you have over 300 million people living in your united states, these are the only two candidates, golfing buddies who go to the same dinner parties and hang out with the Bush family (remember those cunts?) and are supposedly in opposition to one another?
If I was an American, I'd vote for the Mexican chap in a taco van that I buy my lunch from, he'd do a better job than these rich dark suited fuckwits.
Or Vermin supreme. His policies make sense.
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Visionary Tools said: , is Anyway. America needs to be single for a while, these presidents aren't doing you any favours and just going from one to another without time to heal is just going to make the situation worse.

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If I was an American, I'd vote for the Mexican chap in a taco van that I buy my lunch from, he'd do a better job than these rich dark suited fuckwits.
Possibly, I think 99/100 people would do a horrendously shitty job. Whether that is better or worse than the people currently doing a horrendously shitty job, is debatable
The other 1/100 would do a moderately crap job
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Visionary Tools said: Well, as someone who was born and raised, and resides in the British Isles (Never seen an Irish or Scot call themselves a Brit now, do you? It's a political term because somehow saying English is a faux pas) I can say I'm neither for Trump nor Hilitary and I can't fucking spell her name. Why does she have to have a name so similar to hitler?
Anyway. America needs to be single for a while, these presidents aren't doing you any favours and just going from one to another without time to heal is just going to make the situation worse.
Also Clinton/Trump (why is it not Donald vs Clinton, or Hillary/Donald/Clinton/Trump? Why is one referred to as their first name and the other by their surname?) supports are like a bunch of milwal twats.
Fucking scumbags the lot of them
Also, why is it that when you have over 300 million people living in your united states, these are the only two candidates, golfing buddies who go to the same dinner parties and hang out with the Bush family (remember those cunts?) and are supposedly in opposition to one another?
If I was an American, I'd vote for the Mexican chap in a taco van that I buy my lunch from, he'd do a better job than these rich dark suited fuckwits.
Or Vermin supreme. His policies make sense.
You don't know how to spell Hillary? that's not exactly an American requirement Unless u don't know Hillary duff that might be an uncommon name in ur neck of the woods . Hmmm . Hillary Clinton held me as a baby when she was First Lady.
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Seriously? Hillary held you?
I grew up in the Reagan years. Presidential fitness and all that Reagan youth crap about being drug free.
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I am voting for Jill Stein, if I make it to the voting booth. I'd encourage everyone to vote for who they actually want to win and not play the game, but nobody listens to me 
Definitely agree, people empower the two party system when they vote "for the lesser of two evils"
The two party system is constitutionally mandated. It is literally impossible for there to be a competitive three way race in American presidential politics. If no candidate receives the majority of electoral college votes, then the vote of the people is scrapped and the House of Representatives SELECTS the president .
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Re: Brits want Hillary to win [Re: koods]
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Definitely agree, people empower the two party system when they vote "for the lesser of two evils"
The two party system is constitutionally mandated. It is literally impossible for there to be a competitive three way race in American presidential politics. If no candidate receives the majority of electoral college votes, then the vote of the people is scrapped and the House of Representatives SELECTS the president .
By two party I'm referring specifically to Donkeys vs Elephants
As far as I know we're not required pick between them, if that has changed I would no longer support our government
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Visionary Tools said: Fucking scumbags the lot of them
Or Vermin supreme. His policies make sense.
are you taking the piss m8?
all this time that we've disagreed on so many things and now all of a sudden you're starting to see reason
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Re: Brits want Hillary to win [Re: koods]
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koods said: The two party system is constitutionally mandated. It is literally impossible for there to be a competitive three way race in American presidential politics.
please, show us where it\'s constitutionally mandated that there be only 2 parties?
I seem to recall that Abe Lincoln was a Whig until he joined some fresh upstarts called the Republican party, in fact, the Whigs had several candidates that were president as did the Democratic-Republicans and the Federalists before all you negative nancys started with your crap about how the 3rd parties were taking votes from valid candidates and putting the wrong people in office
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Electric Wizard21 said: Looks like sky news is all for Clinton, completing degrading Donald Trump with their 'intelligent discussions', which btw consist of jokes about the poor.
As for the election I don't care who wins cos it's seems USA has to pick one of two terrible candidates. Cannot wait till this is over.
Who's for Hillary and who's for Trump?
Also, how's your evening?/ day?
Not exactly for Hilary, I'm more against Trump, so that's where my vote will go.
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Re: Brits want Hillary to win [Re: Morel Guy]
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Yes she did actually. My dad was head of security for Stephen Spielberg and she was there on a person visit to Stephen and my mom and dad just happened to be in there with him at the time. Apparently she held me for a while.
Also I have baby gifts from Spielberg including a hand drawn(by lead animator) of Star Wars the phantom menace that came out in 99 although th drawing was the year I was born which I'm just going to say is a few years before 99. Anyway it was pretty simple but cool with R2D2 incorporated with my name and baby adornments,hand signed picture of Spielberg,small blue toy bear and a hand stitched little wardrobe along with other high end things including a 6tt tall Fivel plush doll + 10k and Kathleen Kennedy gave my mom and dad 10k also .
Then when my mom got cancer They sent 10-20 grand to cover everything because I was born 3 weeks early and immediately had a few seiszures and general medical problems. When she got the cancer they paid for everything. So she had the best medical coverage she could get. Then I was born and all the famous people /lifestyle went away
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Electric Wizard21 said: I can see that to an extent. But they're all friends so they don't really care who wins cos they all win essentially.
Bring back leaders like Hitler...oh wait he was a racist and mass murderer? Actually he didn't do anything, his soldiers did. Just as American soldiers fight wars and die for the president who doesn't leave the office.
The whole charade reminds me of the bet between Professor Higgins and his friend Colonel Pickering, in my fair lady. Two well to do elitists during an after dinner discusion that got a little heated, resulting in... Trump betting Hillary that he "had as much chance of winning a presidential race" as her. "Put ya money where ya mouth is" says she... and here we are. 
or... OMG
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I took acid before you were born. Guess I am just an old fart. Oh the days when Burger King was actually good. Lucy was $2 or $3 a hit and 100 doses were a bill. Between the Cold War and the war on terror.
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Re: Brits want Hillary to win [Re: Great Scott]
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Shit, while we are dreaming how about all law makers do some time before writing bs laws
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Re: Brits want Hillary to win [Re: Morel Guy]
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Morel Guy said: I took acid before you were born. Guess I am just an old fart. Oh the days when Burger King was actually good. Lucy was $2 or $3 a hit and 100 doses were a bill. Between the Cold War and the war on terror.
A lot of LSD is 2-3$ a hit now too
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Re: Brits want Hillary to win [Re: Prisoner#1]
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please, show us where it\'s constitutionally mandated that there be only 2 parties?
I seem to recall that Abe Lincoln was a Whig until he joined some fresh upstarts called the Republican party, in fact, the Whigs had several candidates that were president as did the Democratic-Republicans and the Federalists before all you negative nancys started with your crap about how the 3rd parties were taking votes from valid candidates and putting the wrong people in office
How can you have three parties splitting the electorate? If nobody reaches 270 electoral college votes, which would clearly happen if 3 people split the national vote, then the entire election is null and void. That's a sure fire way to ensure only two candidates can be competitive.
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Re: Brits want Hillary to win [Re: koods]
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koods said: The two party system is constitutionally mandated. It is literally impossible for there to be a competitive three way race in American presidential politics.
please, show us where it\'s constitutionally mandated that there be only 2 parties?
I seem to recall that Abe Lincoln was a Whig until he joined some fresh upstarts called the Republican party, in fact, the Whigs had several candidates that were president as did the Democratic-Republicans and the Federalists before all you negative nancys started with your crap about how the 3rd parties were taking votes from valid candidates and putting the wrong people in office
How can you have three parties splitting the electorate? If nobody reaches 270 electoral college votes, which would clearly happen if 3 people split the national vote, then the entire election is null and void. That's a sure fire way to ensure only two candidates can be competitive.
SHOW US WHERE 2 PARTIES ARE CONSTITUTIONALLY MANDATED
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Re: Brits want Hillary to win [Re: Prisoner#1]
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The electoral college system makes it IMPOSSIBLE for a third party candidate to ever be elected president.
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Re: Brits want Hillary to win [Re: koods]
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Only because everyone votes for the two dud parties, all it takes is a majority voting for someone else.
On a related note, I'm all for changing the election process.
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Re: Brits want Hillary to win [Re: Great Scott]
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PeyoteZen said: Hillary Clinton belongs in prison. Period.
If politicians were made to pay for their crimes, we would have no politicians. This isn't even a serious or impressive crime, these people do all kinds of really fucked up shit.
I'm not sure what the point of this "scandal" is, some people who didn't like her in the first place drone on about it, but no one else cares. Much like Obama's birth certificate, why even bring it up?
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Re: Brits want Hillary to win [Re: koods]
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koods said: The electoral college system makes it IMPOSSIBLE for a third party candidate to ever be elected president.
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koods said: The two party system is constitutionally mandated. It is literally impossible for there to be a competitive three way race in American presidential politics.
SHOW US KOODS, SHOW US IN THE CONSTITUTION WHERE 2 PARTIES ARE MANDATED
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Re: Brits want Hillary to win [Re: Prisoner#1]
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koods said: The electoral college system makes it IMPOSSIBLE for a third party candidate to ever be elected president.
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koods said: The two party system is constitutionally mandated. It is literally impossible for there to be a competitive three way race in American presidential politics.
SHOW US KOODS, SHOW US IN THE CONSTITUTION WHERE 2 PARTIES ARE MANDATED
He's operating under the presumption that a 33/33/33 split is the best a 3rd party can do. I don't see anything impossible about a 3rd party getting 50+ someday. Unlikely, but not impossible.
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Re: Brits want Hillary to win [Re: Great Scott]
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It could be 49/25/26 and it would still be a failed election. The only way it doesn't end up with a twelfth ammendment solution is if one or two of the candidates are long shots. 49/25/26 is a blowout in American politics.
What kind of confidence would the American people have in their system if, say, Jill stein won the most votes in the election, and the House of Representatives proceeded to make Donald Trump president?
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Re: Brits want Hillary to win [Re: Great Scott]
#23701601 - 10/02/16 08:45 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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all that has to be done is to deny one of the other candidates that 270, currently the system is capable of a tie, 269/269 split between 2 parties, if a 3rd party manages to take a single electoral college vote in a state such as nebraska which isnt a winner take all state, the vote would be 269/268/1 giving 1 party a majority, all that's needed is a simple majority
the electoral college system is of course controlled by the states, 48 states are winner take all, if one candidate gains a majority in one of those state then all the votes for that state go to the majority holder. those rules could have changed the face to the 2 party system we're seeing today and without them all the elections could have been much different.
now after 1860 a lot of changes came about on the state level to put into place the 'winner take all' system as a response to lincoln taking office and subsequently freeing the slaves, of course the south was excluded from federal elections in 1964 but it was the first race to show a 2 party system developing to ensure the south had no voting power in further elections, prior to that it was any man's race, the 1860 elections saw 4 parties get electoral votes, in 1864 and after, only 2 parties received electoral votes due to state rules even though in nearly every election there is someone voting for a 3rd party
you want to change the system, change it on the state level. once that's done then it wont be a problem for a 3rd party to see an election that topples the establishment... of course, 29 states require their electors to pledge a candidate and stick to it

and that's why koods cant show a mandate that there needs to be a 270 majority or that only 2 parties can run in the US as mandated by the constitution, because koods simply doesnt have a grasp on how it works, he still votes in the popularity contest and thinks is makes a difference
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Re: Brits want Hillary to win [Re: koods]
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koods said: It could be 49/25/26 and it would still be a failed election. The only way it doesn't end up with a twelfth ammendment solution is if one or two of the candidates are long shots. 49/25/26 is a blowout in American politics.
What kind of confidence would the American people have in their system if, say, Jill stein won the most votes in the election, and the House of Representatives proceeded to make Donald Trump president?
thanks for proving you dont know what you're talking about yet again
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The Electors shall meet in their respective states, and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves; they shall name in their ballots the person voted for as President, and in distinct ballots the person voted for as Vice-President, and they shall make distinct lists of all persons voted for as President, and all persons voted for as Vice-President and of the number of votes for each, which lists they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate.
The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted.
The person having the greatest Number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed; and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President. But in choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote; a quorum for this purpose shall consist of a member or members from two-thirds of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice. And if the House of Representatives shall not choose a President whenever the right of choice shall devolve upon them, before the fourth day of March next following, then the Vice-President shall act as President, as in the case of the death or other constitutional disability of the President.[Note 1]
The person having the greatest number of votes as Vice-President, shall be the Vice-President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed, and if no person have a majority, then from the two highest numbers on the list, the Senate shall choose the Vice-President; a quorum for the purpose shall consist of two-thirds of the whole number of Senators, and a majority of the whole number shall be necessary to a choice. But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.
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Re: Brits want Hillary to win [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23701637 - 10/02/16 09:00 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I don't think you understand what that says. If nobody gets 270 electoral votes, then each state delegation in the House gets to vote for one of the top three candidates. If nobody gets a majority of those votes, then whoever the senate picks as Vice President becomes president.
Can you imagine anything more retarded than that? Watch the final episode of Veep to see how absurd it is.
Just to be clear... "The person having the greatest Number of votes for President*, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed;"
* this isn't the greatest number of popular votes, this is the greatest number of electoral votes. And it has to be a majority, ie 270 or greater.
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Re: Brits want Hillary to win [Re: Prisoner#1]
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koods said: The two party system is constitutionally mandated. It is literally impossible for there to be a competitive three way race in American presidential politics.
SHOW US KOODS, SHOW US IN THE CONSTITUTION WHERE 2 PARTIES ARE MANDATED
while you're at it, show is the requirement of the electoral college to have 270 votes to win the election
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Re: Brits want Hillary to win [Re: Prisoner#1]
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The person having the greatest Number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed;
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Re: Brits want Hillary to win [Re: koods]
#23701693 - 10/02/16 09:16 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President.
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Re: Brits want Hillary to win [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23701742 - 10/02/16 09:32 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said: all that has to be done is to deny one of the other candidates that 270, currently the system is capable of a tie, 269/269 split between 2 parties, if a 3rd party manages to take a single electoral college vote in a state such as nebraska which isnt a winner take all state, the vote would be 269/268/1 giving 1 party a majority, all that's needed is a simple majority
the electoral college system is of course controlled by the states, 48 states are winner take all, if one candidate gains a majority in one of those state then all the votes for that state go to the majority holder. those rules could have changed the face to the 2 party system we're seeing today and without them all the elections could have been much different.
now after 1860 a lot of changes came about on the state level to put into place the 'winner take all' system as a response to lincoln taking office and subsequently freeing the slaves, of course the south was excluded from federal elections in 1964 but it was the first race to show a 2 party system developing to ensure the south had no voting power in further elections, prior to that it was any man's race, the 1860 elections saw 4 parties get electoral votes, in 1864 and after, only 2 parties received electoral votes due to state rules even though in nearly every election there is someone voting for a 3rd party
you want to change the system, change it on the state level. once that's done then it wont be a problem for a 3rd party to see an election that topples the establishment... of course, 29 states require their electors to pledge a candidate and stick to it

and that's why koods cant show a mandate that there needs to be a 270 majority or that only 2 parties can run in the US as mandated by the constitution, because koods simply doesnt have a grasp on how it works, he still votes in the popularity contest and thinks is makes a difference
I forgot that there were 2 states that aren't winner take all. That makes it even more amazing that no 3rd party candidate has won an electoral vote since Wallace took 5 Southern states in, I think, 1968.
Definitely rubbish that the Constitution mandates the 2 party system, but it is highly entrenched. The weirdness of this election cycle could be an impetus for future change into a more fluid, less fixed system.
But realistically all I see is the GOP remaining strong, if not continuing to rule the House, and demographic trends pointing to the Dems winning national elections.
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Re: Brits want Hillary to win [Re: Brian Jones]
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Fine... It PRACTICALLY mandates only two parties complete for president.
If your dream is to see a competitive third party in American politics, your number one goal should be a constitutional amendment that says whomever receives the most popular votes in the presidential election is elected president. Not only does that remove the hurdle to reach a majority of electoral votes, it makes the presidential election a true national election instead of a battle over a few states. It means that someone who receives fewer votes doesn't become president (Recount or not, George Bush got fewer votes than Al Gore).
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Re: Brits want Hillary to win [Re: koods]
#23701786 - 10/02/16 09:49 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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The current process is pretty retarded
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Re: Brits want Hillary to win [Re: koods]
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It's also possible to gerrymander a presidential election, since states are free to decide to how their electoral voters are apportioned.
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Re: Brits want Hillary to win [Re: koods]
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Part of me thinks trump was purposely coerced into running for presidency as a ploy to get Hilary into the thrown. He's like that ugly chick that makes other chicks look hotter by association.
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I'll just point out that sky news is not the Brits. The media, in any western country, at this point does not represent the people in any meaningful way. They represent only the interests of their corporate owners who in the case of the US media is only 6 mega corps, which all hold joint meetings and effectively function as a single entity.
Remember domestic propaganda is legal in the US. http://www.businessinsider.com/ndaa-legalizes-propaganda-2012-5 Not that the legality matters they just do it openly instead of secretly now.
And it might actually be worse in Britain because they don't even have a constitution at all and there are imposed restrictions from Brussels they are enslaved under as well.
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koods said: The person having the greatest Number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed;
which means... get this, 269 votes can in fact become president if the other major candidate has fewer electoral votes due to a 3rd party being awarded one or more votes by one of the 2 states that do not play the 'winner take all' game meaning that a simple fucking majority is all that's required
once more, show us where it's mandated in the constitution where 270 votes/2 parties are the requirements for the election of a president.
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Re: Brits want Hillary to win [Re: Prisoner#1]
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He can show you the part where a criminal who is disqualified from public office by statutory law can still run for President and hold that office, the highest public office in the land. It's in the Constitution, afterall.
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Re: Brits want Hillary to win [Re: Great Scott]
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Do you really think Clinton will ever catch charges ? You talk about how corrupt she is and ur right but that also means she's not going to catch any charges especially after he FBI dropped their investigation. It's fucked up but I doubt she'll ever get convicted
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Seriously_trippin said: Do you really think Clinton will ever catch charges ?
she's too well insulated, somehow, even though hillary tried to and succeeded in destroying evidence (hammergate/emailgate) regarding her classified emails and benghazi in particular, the FBI has deemed that all wrong doing did not go above the assistant secretary of state, so somehow, even though all this evidence was deleted from her private servers, key people in this events were not required to testify before congress, and there's all kinds of evidence that she took a part, she somehow had no idea what was going on
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Re: Brits want Hillary to win [Re: Prisoner#1]
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koods said: The person having the greatest Number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed;
which means... get this, 269 votes can in fact become president if the other major candidate has fewer electoral votes due to a 3rd party being awarded one or more votes by one of the 2 states that do not play the 'winner take all' game meaning that a simple fucking majority is all that's required
once more, show us where it's mandated in the constitution where 270 votes/2 parties are the requirements for the election of a president.
I don't think you know what majority means. Are you confusing majority with plurality?
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What happens if no presidential candidate gets 270 Electoral votes?
If no candidate receives a majority of Electoral votes, the House of Representatives elects the President from the 3 Presidential candidates who received the most Electoral votes. Each state delegation has one vote. The Senate would elect the Vice President from the 2 Vice Presidential candidates with the most Electoral votes. Each Senator would cast one vote for Vice President. If the House of Representatives fails to elect a President by Inauguration Day, the Vice-President Elect serves as acting President until the deadlock is resolved in the House.
http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/faq.html#wtapv
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Re: Brits want Hillary to win [Re: Great Scott]
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PeyoteZen said: He can show you the part where a criminal who is disqualified from public office by statutory law can still run for President and hold that office, the highest public office in the land. It's in the Constitution, afterall. 
I can show you other things if you have questions. You guys are pretty rusty on these constitutional matters.
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Re: Brits want Hillary to win [Re: Prisoner#1]
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I think the verdict is bs too but I'm just saying she's going to be president . First woman canidate to make it to primary and I think a lot of people in America want to be politically polite . She is non offensive on paper and I feel like when we elect a president it's just a poster child embassador of the US for diplomacy with other countries. Nothing more then a figure head
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Re: Brits want Hillary to win [Re: koods]
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koods said: The person having the greatest Number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed;
which means... get this, 269 votes can in fact become president if the other major candidate has fewer electoral votes due to a 3rd party being awarded one or more votes by one of the 2 states that do not play the 'winner take all' game meaning that a simple fucking majority is all that's required
once more, show us where it's mandated in the constitution where 270 votes/2 parties are the requirements for the election of a president.
I don't think you know what majority means. Are you confusing majority with plurality?
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What happens if no presidential candidate gets 270 Electoral votes?
If no candidate receives a majority of Electoral votes, the House of Representatives elects the President from the 3 Presidential candidates who received the most Electoral votes. Each state delegation has one vote. The Senate would elect the Vice President from the 2 Vice Presidential candidates with the most Electoral votes. Each Senator would cast one vote for Vice President. If the House of Representatives fails to elect a President by Inauguration Day, the Vice-President Elect serves as acting President until the deadlock is resolved in the House.
http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/faq.html#wtapv
I know exactly what majority means
majority means more 'than the others', are you sure you know what it means?
a simple majority could be 268/267/3 meaning the person with 3 votes has the least, the one with 267 would have fewer than the one that holds the majority at 268
let's give you a simple, concise, easy to understand definition of majority
ma·jor·i·ty məˈjôrədē,məˈjärədē/ noun noun: majority; plural noun: majorities
1. the greater number. "in the majority of cases all will go smoothly" synonyms: larger part/number, greater part/number, best/better part, most, more than half
NOW SHOW US IN THE CONSTITUTION WHERE MAJORITY MEANS 270 VOTES
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Seriously_trippin said: I think the verdict is bs too but I'm just saying she's going to be president . First woman canidate to make it to primary and I think a lot of people in America want to be politically polite . She is non offensive on paper and I feel like when we elect a president it's just a poster child embassador of the US for diplomacy with other countries. Nothing more then a figure head
There is no verdict...because there are no charges...because if there were charges...the verdict would undoubtedly be guilty.
Wrap your head around that.
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koods said: The person having the greatest Number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed;
which means... get this, 269 votes can in fact become president if the other major candidate has fewer electoral votes due to a 3rd party being awarded one or more votes by one of the 2 states that do not play the 'winner take all' game meaning that a simple fucking majority is all that's required
once more, show us where it's mandated in the constitution where 270 votes/2 parties are the requirements for the election of a president.
I don't think you know what majority means. Are you confusing majority with plurality?
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What happens if no presidential candidate gets 270 Electoral votes?
If no candidate receives a majority of Electoral votes, the House of Representatives elects the President from the 3 Presidential candidates who received the most Electoral votes. Each state delegation has one vote. The Senate would elect the Vice President from the 2 Vice Presidential candidates with the most Electoral votes. Each Senator would cast one vote for Vice President. If the House of Representatives fails to elect a President by Inauguration Day, the Vice-President Elect serves as acting President until the deadlock is resolved in the House.
http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/faq.html#wtapv
I know exactly what majority means
majority means more 'than the others', are you sure you know what it means?
a simple majority could be 268/267/3 meaning the person with 3 votes has the least, the one with 267 would have fewer than the one that holds the majority at 268
let's give you a simple, concise, easy to understand definition of majority
ma·jor·i·ty məˈjôrədē,məˈjärədē/ noun noun: majority; plural noun: majorities
1. the greater number. "in the majority of cases all will go smoothly" synonyms: larger part/number, greater part/number, best/better part, most, more than half
NOW SHOW US IN THE CONSTITUTION WHERE MAJORITY MEANS 270 VOTES
Are you fucking serious? The definition you supplied is not the legal definition of majority. What you are describing is a plurality, Majority is a number more than half. A majority of votes means more than half. I just showed you the section. I showed you a FAQ written by the national archives.
Definition of majority : a number that is greater than half of a total : a number of votes that is more than half of the total number
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koods said: Fine... It PRACTICALLY mandates only two parties complete for president.
If your dream is to see a competitive third party in American politics, your number one goal should be a constitutional amendment that says whomever receives the most popular votes in the presidential election is elected president. Not only does that remove the hurdle to reach a majority of electoral votes, it makes the presidential election a true national election instead of a battle over a few states. It means that someone who receives fewer votes doesn't become president (Recount or not, George Bush got fewer votes than Al Gore).
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koods said: It's also possible to gerrymander a presidential election, since states are free to decide to how their electoral voters are apportioned.
I agree with you 99% if not more. But I no longer have any political dreams. They have been drained from my psyche, by things like the W vs. Gore election, the swiftboating of Kerry by W's political handlers who made a decorated combat officer look like shit compared to a draft dodger who fought the Viet Nam war by protecting Texas in the National Guard, and then disappeared for 2 years, and the military has no record of where he was and what he was doing. We didn't find out till it was too late that most of the soldiers who served under Kerry in combat thought he was a great officer. It was a smear campaign executed to perfection. And also the whole PR to make it look like Sarah Palin had a single operating brain cell.
So I'm done with any ideological arguments. It seems like beating my head against a concrete wall. I'm glad there are younger people who still want to fight. I'm trained in survey research, and quite a bit of history, so that is all I want to contribute on this forum.
I knew the electoral college was a screwed up system since I first became politically aware in the late 60's. Apparently it was designed for the late 17 hundreds when it would have taken 6 months to get the popular vote from across the country. Why we still have it, I don't know. I guess the entire political establishment has an interest in keeping it. I have only heard regular people rally against it; never political bigshots.
You mentioned that it would be possible to gerrymander a Presidential election. Yeah it's possible. I know the GOP is gerrymandering the House districts and getting away with it. It sucks, but I don't go crazy over it because I'm from Chicagoland, and the Dems have gotten away with quite a bit here, since JFK was first elected.
I just wanted to say one more thing. I used to hate W, but now I think he's a fine gentleman compared to Trump. There's a reason why no living President and half the Republican establishment is against Trump.
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Re: Brits want Hillary to win [Re: Brian Jones] 1
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I knew the electoral college was a screwed up system since I first became politically aware in the late 60's. Apparently it was designed for the late 17 hundreds when it would have taken 6 months to get the popular vote from across the country. Why we still have it, I don't know. I guess the entire political establishment has an interest in keeping it. I have only heard regular people rally against it; never political bigshots.
Yeah, its very much outdated, there's no reason to have any kind of middle man.
Its one example of how ineffective our political system is in general, that we could have ended this process decades ago and have not. Citizens should be voting as individuals directly for their candidate.
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moonrockmushy said: It almost seems like a throw away election. Like they know something bad is going to happen, so both sides are trying to lose because they don't want to take the blame, but they don't want to give up the jig.
That is the best theory I have heard yet.
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Re: Brits want Hillary to win [Re: koods]
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divvy up the states more, make it 53, or like 60.
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I knew the electoral college was a screwed up system since I first became politically aware in the late 60's. Apparently it was designed for the late 17 hundreds when it would have taken 6 months to get the popular vote from across the country. Why we still have it, I don't know. I guess the entire political establishment has an interest in keeping it. I have only heard regular people rally against it; never political bigshots.
Yeah, its very much outdated, there's no reason to have any kind of middle man.
Its one example of how ineffective our political system is in general, that we could have ended this process decades ago and have not. Citizens should be voting as individuals directly for their candidate.
This could happen
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Re: Brits want Hillary to win [Re: koods]
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I knew the electoral college was a screwed up system since I first became politically aware in the late 60's. Apparently it was designed for the late 17 hundreds when it would have taken 6 months to get the popular vote from across the country. Why we still have it, I don't know. I guess the entire political establishment has an interest in keeping it. I have only heard regular people rally against it; never political bigshots.
Yeah, its very much outdated, there's no reason to have any kind of middle man.
Its one example of how ineffective our political system is in general, that we could have ended this process decades ago and have not. Citizens should be voting as individuals directly for their candidate.
This could happen

Have you been paying attention to what the general public thinks or says? Do you realize how incredibly uneducated the majority of america is? Id trust them about as much as Id trust a foreigner to pick our leaders.
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Re: Brits want Hillary to win [Re: koods] 1
#23702820 - 10/03/16 09:02 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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koods said: Are you fucking serious? The definition you supplied is not the legal definition of majority. What you are describing is a plurality, Majority is a number more than half. A majority of votes means more than half. I just showed you the section. I showed you a FAQ written by the national archives.
Definition of majority : a number that is greater than half of a total : a number of votes that is more than half of the total number
are you fucking serious? you keep pushing the 2 parties and you have yet to show where the system is set up for 2 parties as you have claimed is mandated by the constitution.
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I knew the electoral college was a screwed up system since I first became politically aware in the late 60's. Apparently it was designed for the late 17 hundreds when it would have taken 6 months to get the popular vote from across the country. Why we still have it, I don't know. I guess the entire political establishment has an interest in keeping it. I have only heard regular people rally against it; never political bigshots.
Yeah, its very much outdated, there's no reason to have any kind of middle man.
Its one example of how ineffective our political system is in general, that we could have ended this process decades ago and have not. Citizens should be voting as individuals directly for their candidate.
This could happen

this did happen
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Re: Brits want Hillary to win [Re: Prisoner#1]
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There was a sizable third party in 1968? Bit surprised.
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Re: Brits want Hillary to win [Re: PatrickKn]
#23703448 - 10/03/16 12:27 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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This thread has taken a turn. Is say honestly, that the election is not needed. They know who will win and the votes don't really matter.
Sorry USA but your election has a president selected already. Same happens the world over. Anyone realised the burka got banned in turkey or wherever? More muslim/Islam suppression.
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