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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: ferrel_human] * 1
    #23697266 - 10/01/16 01:41 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Good choice in making this thread. I'll be posting some pictures later. :sun:


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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: Acaterpillar]
    #23697272 - 10/01/16 01:43 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks man:cool:

I can not believe this was not previously done!


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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: kactus.brand.g]
    #23697391 - 10/01/16 02:33 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Ferrel-human, here are the new pics. I decided they're better off in this new thread so i can get more community input. I notice there are also brown spots and holes on some leaf. I have a mold issue indoors so i really hope that's not a factor here. They're not totally dying yet, but the leaves are definitely getting a bit crunchier, lighter colored, and curled up by the day. The second picture is really the worst of it. The first ones doing decent but the bigger leaves are starting to curl a bit



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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: JacksonMetaller]
    #23698515 - 10/01/16 09:49 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: Bumbaclotjohnson]
    #23698860 - 10/02/16 12:27 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: ferrel_human]
    #23699027 - 10/02/16 01:48 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Hey Jackson, nice pics... How is the light situation in your garden?


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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: Lipa Kreepa]
    #23699211 - 10/02/16 05:53 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Hey Jackson, nice pics... How is the light situation in your garden?



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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: Lipa Kreepa]
    #23699262 - 10/02/16 06:42 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Hey it's not illegal yet!

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Hey Jackson, nice pics... How is the light situation in your garden?




Well these fellows are new so i've been trying to avoid a lot of light. I've right now got them under the covered section of my porch though i've been pulling them inside at night since a cold spell has come through. I've started sticking them in direct sun maybe 30 minutes a day. Do you think that's the issue? Should i be doing it more often?


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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: JacksonMetaller]
    #23699287 - 10/02/16 06:58 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I have already introduced mine to full sun as well.

i don't do things slowly though,I just throw any plants I get directly out in it,and if they can't take the heat,well you know how the old saying goes:lol:

Mine is looking fantastic though,and she gets pulled in at night,and put under florescents.


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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: kactus.brand.g]
    #23699306 - 10/02/16 07:08 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Hmmm ill start escalating the sun for sure. I was just careful becausethe first time i put them out one of them got sunburned. I think you can see it on that last picture. The little leaf with the big red splotch


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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: JacksonMetaller]
    #23699319 - 10/02/16 07:20 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

It really depends on your temps though,a week ago it was in the 90's,and now we have had highs in the 60's and the 70's,perfect weather:yesnod:


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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: kactus.brand.g]
    #23699325 - 10/02/16 07:24 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

But yeah,if you got sunburn,I would do it slowly.

I first tried growing this plant years ago,and I put mine in direct summer sun,and let's just say that was the end of that poor plant.

Full sun in the summer I wouldn't risk,full summer in the fall,hell yeah!

So far mine loves it:yesnod:


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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: kactus.brand.g]
    #23699534 - 10/02/16 08:59 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Okay, well they're out in the sun now. I'll keep checking on them throughout the day. The only sun i get sort of comes and goes through the trees so it shouldn't be awful. Still not convinced that's what's causing the leaf curl but i don't know


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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: JacksonMetaller]
    #23699536 - 10/02/16 09:02 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah,not sure about your leaf curl,but I'm sure someone will chime in and help you out.

I just put mine out in the sun,and she's loving it:yesnod:


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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: kactus.brand.g]
    #23699538 - 10/02/16 09:03 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Krat loves sunlight... Although not right away ... Well it does just not all at once. I'm no super expert at growing it, but I've noticed a patern with burnt edges of leavss and it receiving too much light. Its good to bear in mind, that the plant you received just experienxed two things... Its been in a dark box for the last two to five days... Likely being thrown around a great deal in transit. So its pretty stressed as is from that... Not super stressed but in a weird spot nevertheless.... Think about being in a similar situation. Lets say you were in a coma or locked in a dark cave. For a solid two to seven days.. Then you were thrown directly into the balls of the intense sunlight, the airs drier and alien as fuck... Then bear in mind that your skin was paper thin... 'Okay shut up lipa and get to finishing up'... Alrht, alright . and second, that little clone yo bought has never seen sunlight before! Well look, I can't guarantee that.. But from what I've noticed when it comes to cloning krat is this... They couldnt handle it. Leave a freshly picked leaf out for a short period and come back, you'll see what I mean. Hell I find that anything closer than seven inches to a CFL bulb is too much for propagation... And that's artificial, very weak light. Anytime I tried a stronger source or shorter distance to bulb, even if I was adamant about humidifying them, the leaves would go yellow and fall off. So I can't guarantee , but I'd most certainly put my money on them being grown in artificial light while they were rooting. Those plants were sold AS SOON AS the first roots grew out most likely....

Solution? Try this... Open the box, leave them indoor close to a flouro or whatever light source, but NOT under it, just a couple feet away for about a week tops. (Tho a few days would likely be okay). You could even put it under it if you wanted to go a bit slower with things. Then put it outside but keep it in the shade... So it can get use to e change in light quality.... Let's say another couple of days... Then a spot with mixed and partial and go from there. Some species of krat LOVE intense light! Bumblebee and Thai are the only two I've worked with. The RVT seems to be much more sensitive but the BB is a sunlight FIEND. Nevertheless, they too require a gradual induction in getting to that point.

The red spots happen. I don't know why but they never seem to be an issue. The burnt edges on the other hand... That's the plant communicating with you. And if its getting cold and dry where you are, you might just want to keep him indoor until spring. Hell the growth will be slower and the alkaloids won't be too conc but he'll be happy and strong come spring. The cold will kill him off and will all likely give him a headache and you one as well. They'll tolerate a low watt CFL bulb just fine. Just remember to mist when its off and to play music for it... They really like techno BTW :wink:

And KBG, why the artificial light at night after a full day outside? Don't freak em out... I'd say go one direction or the other, but that's just me. They appreciate the darkness bro :rock on:


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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: Lipa Kreepa]
    #23699575 - 10/02/16 09:14 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Well,I don't give her full 24/7 hour lighting.

I put her out on the sunny days,and when the sun leaves my back yard,I bring her in and throw her under the flourescents with my other indoor plants.
I usually turn it off around 9:00 Pm.


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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: Lipa Kreepa]
    #23699635 - 10/02/16 09:36 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Also... Didn't notice before. Get your plants into a bigger pot ASAP. Good organic soil. The medium they're in is likely devoid of much nutritional value, most cloning mixes are. Use a paint bucket with holes drilled/poked. Do it asap bro and keep them in the shade while they acclimate :wink:)

Trust me :super:

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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: Lipa Kreepa]
    #23699709 - 10/02/16 10:07 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Hey Lipa thanks so much! It's going to take me a solid minute to digest that first post, but the second is a fear i have had so i would like to address that asap. Would you mind spelling out really simply what i should use in the soil mix? Like contents and ratio? I hate to be a pain in the ass but I'm a botany noob. I intend to get around to knowing what i'm doing soon enough, but this ban forced me to jump the gun and at least get these fellas going. Also i'd prefer this to be as organic as possible. Also how long should i shade them after transfer? Generally speaking. Of course i'll be keeping an eye. Thanks again for the help!


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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: JacksonMetaller]
    #23699990 - 10/02/16 11:54 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Hey a little fire under our asses isn't always the worse thing :wink: amd sure I'm happy to help. I'm no organics expert either but let me start by asking this... In your town is there a hydro/organics store you can get to? If so, just pick up a bag of fox farm ocean forest (if available... That's the first soil I used on kray and he loved it!) If not whatever mix they have made for potted plants. Go with one that has earthworm castings in it. That has a great deal of microbes and even a fungi element that will be awesome for your journies through the world of organic farming. Krat likes a well drained soil, so pick up some perlite and a brick of coco coir. Just remember to rip off a piece of the coco and soak it in water for about a day.. Though use clean water (RO, distilled or rain) and change about 2-3x in that period... Or do it for a longer soak time and change every 1-3 days... Ive soaked for well over a week... This soak is to not only expand and hydrate the dry, solid hunk but to also leech out any salts from the fiber. I like to do a few soaks honestly... But a day should suffice. Use clean water because we are trying to leech out salts and what have you, not swap one for the other :wink: depending on what soil you get and how packed with rich organic material it is, will determine what else to put in there. Bone meal is a good choice for P and it seems to break down a little slower than others. Though I still don't put too Much in there. For a paint buckets worth of soil, I'll use a tablespoon... Maybe two. But that's if its a pretty basic mix. Fox farm is already loaded up nicely and likely just needs some perlite and coco coir to loosen it up. I typically use 1 cup of perlite plus 1 cup of coco for every 3 to 4 cups of organic soil, a sprinkle of bone meal, and then depending on how I'm feeling with the OG organic soil, maybe some composted crab meal. But honestly that shit, as awesome as it is, is very VERY strong and if you're new to all this and are unsure as to how strong youre organic soil is... Its prob better to leave it out.

Over the years I've come to just eye ball and go with intuition when it comes to making up soil mixes... So those ratios can change and I wouldn't say that's a concrete formula to use. But I will say that kratom is a very tolerant plant and will likely be happy with whatever organic soil you give to it. Just make sure its a big pot because it needs root space! You could very well go to homedepot or whatever and buy some miracle grow ORGANIC SOIL and just add some perlite and coco coir in the mix with the ratio above and it would be fine. But its always better to buy local and to support your local hydro/organic shop. They'll appreciate your business and are typically knowledgeable and will GIve you their honest opinion as to what would be best. Just try and shoot for a serl with earthworm castings :super: but again if they have it, go with foxfarm ocean forest to get you started, that or the the equivalent soil that they have and recommend.

I know this was a bit of a scattered post, but hopefully there's some useful info in there. I'm sure a few others will chime in. Just stay away from garbage soils with slow release  petrochemical fertilizers and a mostly peat base. But again, krat is tuff and will likely be patient while you learn the ropes... Esp if you keep it indoor during the winter. If you are unsure about your soil then transplant into a pot one size or two under a paint bucket and just give it something to hold it over for a few months until you get a better perspective and better resources... That and don't forget to show your babies some love  affection. It does make a difference, esp during times of stress for them.

As for how long to acclimate regarding the light... Just transplant and keep in the shade for about a week, then gradually acclimate it to receiving more and more.


Hope some of this helps
Happy growing... Show them love and theyll be fine.
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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: kactus.brand.g]
    #23700021 - 10/02/16 12:06 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Well,I don't give her full 24/7 hour lighting.

I put her out on the sunny days,and when the sun leaves my back yard,I bring her in and throw her under the flourescents with my other indoor plants.
I usually turn it off around 9:00 Pm.





They appreciate a consistent schedule... But are pretty tolerant. As long as theyre getting about six hours OUT of the light, they should be fine. My concern was the flipflop of natural to synthetic light... It prob won't kill em but might aggravate them a little... Maybe, but hey I could be wrong. Experimentation is important in life and many extraordinary things have come about from such experimentation. It Just seems unnecessary. How much actual sunlight are they getting outside, on a regular day? If its four hours or so, they should be fine with just that.


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