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White contamination on First Time Grow? (Pictures)
    #23699253 - 10/02/16 06:31 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

So, for my first time grow, I decided to go for the PF Tek. I inoculated my jars on the 9th and I already had to throw one out due to a Trichoderma contamination. So, for a while I have noticed a spot on one of my jars that looked like mycelium but it isn't as bright white as the mycelium itself and I noticed this morning that the Rizomorphs never merged with it. Is this contamination? If so, what kind and what do I do?

P.s. Another clue is that this spot is not directly under my inoculation point as with the other mycelium colonies.

I removed this jar and placed it in a different cupboard just to be safe.

Any advice would be much appreciated.



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Re: White contamination on First Time Grow? (Pictures) [Re: Mooshie_Muncha]
    #23699260 - 10/02/16 06:38 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Definitely contamination, toss it.


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Re: White contamination on First Time Grow? (Pictures) [Re: Mooshie_Muncha]
    #23699353 - 10/02/16 07:39 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

we need to know what you did to offer any type of good advice.


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Re: White contamination on First Time Grow? (Pictures) [Re: Mooshie_Muncha]
    #23699374 - 10/02/16 07:54 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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So, for my first time grow, I decided to go for the PF Tek. I inoculated my jars on the 9th and I already had to throw one out due to a Trichoderma contamination. So, for a while I have noticed a spot on one of my jars that looked like mycelium but it isn't as bright white as the mycelium itself and I noticed this morning that the Rizomorphs never merged with it. Is this contamination? If so, what kind and what do I do?

P.s. Another clue is that this spot is not directly under my inoculation point as with the other mycelium colonies.

I removed this jar and placed it in a different cupboard just to be safe.

Any advice would be much appreciated.






You don't have to toss it
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So, for my first time grow, I decided to go for the PF Tek. I inoculated my jars on the 9th and I already had to throw one out due to a Trichoderma contamination. So, for a while I have noticed a spot on one of my jars that looked like mycelium but it isn't as bright white as the mycelium itself and I noticed this morning that the Rizomorphs never merged with it. Is this contamination? If so, what kind and what do I do?

P.s. Another clue is that this spot is not directly under my inoculation point as with the other mycelium colonies.

I removed this jar and placed it in a different cupboard just to be safe.

Any advice would be much appreciated.






I would put it somewhere not near your grow room and let it keep going to see what happens. Sometimes when you pop the lid off for brf cakes. The top layer of verm will have white fluffy looking mold because that's what was used to keep your cakes safe. The mycelium doesn't get affected by this. The mycelium could take over and fully colonize. treat it like an experiment to learn. Yes i know those aren't BRF cakes, it was just an example.


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Re: White contamination on First Time Grow? (Pictures) [Re: Kalsticky]
    #23699377 - 10/02/16 07:56 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

My bad, i didn't realize you said pf tek. Ignore the last sentence in my last post lol


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Re: White contamination on First Time Grow? (Pictures) [Re: Kalsticky]
    #23699386 - 10/02/16 07:59 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Experiment?


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Re: White contamination on First Time Grow? (Pictures) [Re: Mooshie_Muncha]
    #23699422 - 10/02/16 08:18 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I am curious to know IF there even was a dry verm layer.
I can tell you without a doubt that the foil should have came off when you inoculated, and stayed off.. But then again you have your lids all fucked up anyway with the foil under the lids (i would love to see a top down pic of those lids).

Maybe this is the cause for your failure.

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Re: White contamination on First Time Grow? (Pictures) [Re: Psychedel.EXE]
    #23699482 - 10/02/16 08:39 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Almost definitely a contam, and given its size already, I don't think the Myc is gunna win that war. Personally, id toss it.


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Re: White contamination on First Time Grow? (Pictures) [Re: Inocuole]
    #23699533 - 10/02/16 08:59 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Mushierage said:
Experiment?


:judyfacepalm:



This
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Definitely contamination, toss it.



And this

Bury the bitch outside and be done with this nonsense.


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Re: White contamination on First Time Grow? (Pictures) [Re: Kalsticky]
    #23699572 - 10/02/16 09:12 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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You don't have to toss it




Well I mean, technically we don't have to wipe our asses after we shit..


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Re: White contamination on First Time Grow? (Pictures) [Re: Inocuole]
    #23699625 - 10/02/16 09:34 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Kalsticky said:

You don't have to toss it




Well I mean, technically we don't have to wipe our asses after we shit..




:rofl2: you made my day...


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Re: White contamination on First Time Grow? (Pictures) [Re: Mad Season]
    #23699679 - 10/02/16 09:58 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks for the replies guys.

The Method that I used was the PF Tek from a book called the Mushroom Growers Handbook. I placed two foil layers under the lid and one over the lid when I sterilized. I also prepunched 4 holes in the lid for inoculation. I removed the top foil layer, placed the needle through the holes in the lids, pierced the two foil layers and then inserted the needle through the dry vermiculite layer.

Yes, I do have a dry verm layer of about 3/4". I read that sometime the mycelium can secrete antifungal and antibiotic metabolites and enzymes. Could it be possible if I quarantined it that it might survive? Furthermore, since you guys have helped me to determine that this is contamination, what type is it? Trichoderma before sporulation? Cobweb mold? Bacteria?


Edited by Mooshie_Muncha (10/02/16 10:00 AM)


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Re: White contamination on First Time Grow? (Pictures) [Re: Psychedel.EXE]
    #23699697 - 10/02/16 10:03 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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I am curious to know IF there even was a dry verm layer.
I can tell you without a doubt that the foil should have came off when you inoculated, and stayed off.. But then again you have your lids all fucked up anyway with the foil under the lids (i would love to see a top down pic of those lids).

Maybe this is the cause for your failure.

???

(follow the tek to a T)



OK, and why would I have removed the foil? It's like saying, that if I didn't use the lids, and just had the foil, I should have inoculated and removed the foil completely, exposing the dry verm layer. From my understanding, you don't even attempt to open a PF Jar until it has consolidated.


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Re: White contamination on First Time Grow? (Pictures) [Re: Mooshie_Muncha]
    #23699708 - 10/02/16 10:07 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

That book is so outdated with hardly a redeeming quality.  If you have to use brf cakes you need to look up RogerRabbit's videos.  Up to date with invaluable info for cakes.  I remember reading that handbook 14 years ago and was considered out dated back then.  For a better book read try out The Mushroom Cultivator.  Outdated but still filled with great info from someone who is still considered the top of his field.


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Re: White contamination on First Time Grow? (Pictures) [Re: RyeJar]
    #23699851 - 10/02/16 10:57 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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That book is so outdated with hardly a redeeming quality.  If you have to use brf cakes you need to look up RogerRabbit's videos.  Up to date with invaluable info for cakes.  I remember reading that handbook 14 years ago and was considered out dated back then.  For a better book read try out The Mushroom Cultivator.  Outdated but still filled with great info from someone who is still considered the top of his field.



Sorry, my mistake, it's "Psilocybin Mushroom Handbook: Easy indoor and outdoor cultivation." It's from 2006, so I suppose that it is somewhat outdated.

Thanks for the suggestion. I'll definitely do a search for that book.


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Re: White contamination on First Time Grow? (Pictures) [Re: Mooshie_Muncha]
    #23699864 - 10/02/16 11:03 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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That book is so outdated with hardly a redeeming quality.  If you have to use brf cakes you need to look up RogerRabbit's videos.  Up to date with invaluable info for cakes.  I remember reading that handbook 14 years ago and was considered out dated back then.  For a better book read try out The Mushroom Cultivator.  Outdated but still filled with great info from someone who is still considered the top of his field.



Sorry, my mistake, it's "Psilocybin Mushroom Handbook: Easy indoor and outdoor cultivation." It's from 2006, so I suppose that it is somewhat outdated.

Thanks for the suggestion. I'll definitely do a search for that book.




Yeah I have read that one too.  Still full of pretty bad info although a lot better than mushroom growers handbook.


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Re: White contamination on First Time Grow? (Pictures) [Re: RyeJar]
    #23699902 - 10/02/16 11:18 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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RyeJar said:
That book is so outdated with hardly a redeeming quality.  If you have to use brf cakes you need to look up RogerRabbit's videos.  Up to date with invaluable info for cakes.  I remember reading that handbook 14 years ago and was considered out dated back then.  For a better book read try out The Mushroom Cultivator.  Outdated but still filled with great info from someone who is still considered the top of his field.



Sorry, my mistake, it's "Psilocybin Mushroom Handbook: Easy indoor and outdoor cultivation." It's from 2006, so I suppose that it is somewhat outdated.

Thanks for the suggestion. I'll definitely do a search for that book.




Yeah I have read that one too.  Still full of pretty bad info although a lot better than mushroom growers handbook.




Haha, I kinda figured considering that I almost attempted their supposed "Improved PF Tek". Bunch of douche bags almost fucked up my grow. I'm a bit wiser for the experience though.


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Re: White contamination on First Time Grow? (Pictures) [Re: Mooshie_Muncha]
    #23733105 - 10/13/16 03:42 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Update:

So, just out of curiosity, since I read that mycelium could sometimes overcome both bacterial and mold infections, I quarantined that jar and left it to colonize. I won't be fruiting it with my other healthy cakes, but I thought that you guys would like to see this for informational purposes.

Any thoughts?



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Re: White contamination on First Time Grow? (Pictures) [Re: Inocuole]
    #23733262 - 10/13/16 07:00 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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You don't have to toss it




Well I mean, technically we don't have to wipe our asses after we shit..




Currently shitting right now...

So I don't have to wipe?

Instructions unclear...


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Re: White contamination on First Time Grow? (Pictures) [Re: morty422]
    #23733289 - 10/13/16 07:16 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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morty422 said:
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Inocuole said:
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Kalsticky said:

You don't have to toss it




Well I mean, technically we don't have to wipe our asses after we shit..




Currently shitting right now...

So I don't have to wipe?

Instructions unclear...



Haha, well, I suppose it's each to their own. I don't trust this jar, but I did personally observe how it stalled for a few days and then started to 'absorb' the mold. I read somewhere on here that another guy had a pink bacterial infection that the mycelium destroyed after a week or two as well. If I am not mistaken, RR also mentioned that Mycelium does excrete antifungal and anti-bacterial enzymes.

Like I said, I am an not placing any hopes on this jar, but I will be fruiting it far away from my healthy cakes.


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