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1st Grow / Am I missing something an Items ?
    #23699067 - 10/02/16 02:38 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Hey guys ,

I am wanting to go  bulk with a Rye Spawn and a Bulk Substrate of Coir/Vermiculite

Things i think i need :

-Pressure Cooker
-Spore Syringes
-Rye Grain
-Jars/Lids
-Coir
-Vermiculite
-Kitchen/Meat Thermo
-Wall Thermo
-LED wall lamp
-Plastik Tuppers for Monotube
-Cast
-5L Bucket
-Polifil
-Tape
-Fan
-Mister

Am i missing something?Am i completely wrong haha?

Is it necessary to do a Substrate with Spawn and Cast mixed ?


Thanks


Edited by Trippedytrip (10/02/16 06:17 AM)


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Re: 1st Grow / Am I missing something an Items ? [Re: Trippedytrip]
    #23699182 - 10/02/16 05:18 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah you are missing the agar supplies for them spores :wink:
Uhh, it looks like a good start at least.  Its possible you are forgetting maybe a small item or two but you at least have all the important stuff.  More important than the supplies is the knowledge on how to use the stuff properly.  That last sentence scares me a little on whether you have all the knowledge you need to make this work.  I don't have any idea what you are even asking.


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Re: 1st Grow / Am I missing something an Items ? [Re: RyeJar]
    #23699203 - 10/02/16 05:47 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Well step by step.

I saw in a video/web he was making the grain spawn mixed with cast and was asking if that is alright?


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Re: 1st Grow / Am I missing something an Items ? [Re: Trippedytrip]
    #23699207 - 10/02/16 05:50 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I have no idea what cast is is the problem.


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Re: 1st Grow / Am I missing something an Items ? [Re: RyeJar]
    #23699212 - 10/02/16 05:53 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Gypsum? Plaster? The thing when you are leg arm injured ..


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Re: 1st Grow / Am I missing something an Items ? [Re: Trippedytrip]
    #23699215 - 10/02/16 05:55 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

You should invest in some fresh coffee and gypsum. I pour coffee in to my WBS spawn before i soak for 24 hrs. and i always add gypsum. I add gypsum to my substrate too. It's pretty neat how those little things make a big difference on fruiting/colonizing. But you have a good start for sure. Btw you need a fan for your monotub once you fruit it.


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Re: 1st Grow / Am I missing something an Items ? [Re: Trippedytrip]
    #23699218 - 10/02/16 05:56 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Oh ok.  Cast.  Makes sense now.  Yes. I always take a 10% by weight amount of the substrate and mix in.  It's handy to add a pinch to your rye before you cook it as well.  Is it required?  Nah.  Does it help?  More than likely.  BTW, don't use coffee.


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Re: 1st Grow / Am I missing something an Items ? [Re: RyeJar]
    #23699238 - 10/02/16 06:20 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Okey , so i Gypsum and Fan and Mister to the list added .

I wont use coffee but thanks for the info :smile:

Peace guys


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Re: 1st Grow / Am I missing something an Items ? [Re: Trippedytrip]
    #23699244 - 10/02/16 06:23 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

http://www.pilzzucht-shop.de/sterilisierte-substrate/

They are selling prepared sterilized substrates . Overpriced ??


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Re: 1st Grow / Am I missing something an Items ? [Re: Trippedytrip]
    #23699259 - 10/02/16 06:36 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

i dont even have to click on that to know its overpriced.  plus the word sterilized and substrate shouldnt even be in the same sentence unless it coir i suppose from what i hear.  I never really delved into coir myself very heavily.


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Re: 1st Grow / Am I missing something an Items ? [Re: RyeJar]
    #23699261 - 10/02/16 06:40 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Filled with Gypsum , Rye Grain and Vermiculite ...

It doesnt look that bad ..


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Re: 1st Grow / Am I missing something an Items ? [Re: Trippedytrip]
    #23699264 - 10/02/16 06:44 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Well thats not substrate (or at least it doesnt make a good substrate for psilocybes.)  That is what most of us would consider a spawn medium (again for psilocybes at least.)  Thats odd they threw in vermiculite though not that it will hurt. 

It is usable for substrate, but you are bound to encounter moisture problems and contams when fruiting if you are new to mycology.  The bags may work if you want to do some invitro fruiting.

As for price, I can make a gallon of substrate for under a dollar.


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Re: 1st Grow / Am I missing something an Items ? [Re: RyeJar]
    #23699316 - 10/02/16 07:16 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Fresh brewed coffee isn't bad for your spawn? It helps it out in the colonization. I use it in my WBS grain and you can tell. Go look at frankhorrigans https://www.shroomery.org/forums/remlinker.php?Cat=&Entry=133433&F_Board=2&Thread=17252080&Main=17252080. I follow his tek to a T. You can always trust a trusted cultivator hence the name.


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Re: 1st Grow / Am I missing something an Items ? [Re: Kalsticky]
    #23699324 - 10/02/16 07:23 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Fresh brewed coffee isn't bad for your spawn? It helps it out in the colonization. I use it in my WBS grain and you can tell. Go look at frankhorrigans https://www.shroomery.org/forums/remlinker.php?Cat=&Entry=133433&F_Board=2&Thread=17252080&Main=17252080. I follow his tek to a T. You can always trust a trusted cultivator hence the name.



I never said it was bad.  I just told him to not use it. New growers have so much more to worry about first before trying to "boost" their yields (especially when they havent had any yields yet.) If new growers want fast colonization, they should be worrying about moisture content before EVER worrying about adding coffee.

When it comes down to it, mushrooms dont run out of food before the substrate is rendered unusable.  It is usually rendered unusable due to metabolites and a ph swing that weakens the mycellium allowing a foreign invader to take hold just like nature intended.

Yes, a TC is usually worth their weight in gold, but I still see ridiculous shit said by a TC from time to time.  Just to clarify, I dont think adding coffee is ridiculous.  Its just SO unnecessary for a novice to worry about.


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Re: 1st Grow / Am I missing something an Items ? [Re: Kalsticky]
    #23699336 - 10/02/16 07:32 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

If you're going to go through all the trouble of getting everything you need, and aren't strapped on time, personally I would pick up some oven bags also, and instead of bucket tek, do an oven pastuerization instead with your mixed bulk substrate. 

Although you can do the bucket tek with coir if you want to, I would much rather be absolutely sure it's clean, and doing an oven bag pasteurization is really easy. (It's almost impossible to fuck it up using Coir). Besides, Coir and ovens love each other.   

Be sure to look up field capacity.  You don't want it too wet, or too dry.  Just right.


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Re: 1st Grow / Am I missing something an Items ? [Re: Kalsticky]
    #23699356 - 10/02/16 07:42 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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RyeJar said:
Yeah you are missing the agar supplies for them spores :wink:
Uhh, it looks like a good start at least.  Its possible you are forgetting maybe a small item or two but you at least have all the important stuff.  More important than the supplies is the knowledge on how to use the stuff properly.  That last sentence scares me a little on whether you have all the knowledge you need to make this work.  I don't have any idea what you are even asking.



yes...agar rules.


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