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GregP
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Weirdness
#23697740 - 10/01/16 04:56 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Why does this keep happening? Mushrooms curling up. Sometimes they grow big and sometimes not so much. I keep em moist.
Also, I see pictures with a ton of mushrooms fruiting from one cake but I get much much less. Any ideas? Here is also a pic of my fruiting chamber. Aside from the hanging light I also keep the overall light on a fair amount.
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Re: Weirdness [Re: GregP]
#23697871 - 10/01/16 05:49 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Crappy genetics running around lately it seems. I've been dealing with the same.
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Those are some pretty small cakes. They cant be full half pints are they? If they are not, then I would say for one flush that doesn't seem too terrible of a yield. You will get 3 more at least before they contam. They arent growing straight up because you have an opaque lid so they get the strongest light on the sides. The perlite is white so its not odd they are growing toward it when the tub only gets indirect light. The caps are curling because some of the fruits are over ripe for picking. That one mushroom is odd though. Not sure about that.
Some big some small is due to the fact each cake probably has dozens if not hundreds of strains if you used a spore syringe. If you want consistency you need to look into isolation on agar.
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Re: Weirdness [Re: RyeJar]
#23698401 - 10/01/16 09:03 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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They can curl up from using air spray, or it could be a lecanicillium infection (vert). That's not a genetic mutation.
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I'd bet money that shit is vert.. hairlip galore
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Re: Weirdness [Re: azur]
#23698671 - 10/01/16 10:55 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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They are half pint wide mouth cakes. Also, I have been having problems getting them to fully colonize. Could it be from lack of spores in the syringe? I started printing so I will put more next batch. I originally got the kit from Midwest grow kits and it included a heating pad. I have since used the expertise of fellow posters to build my own chambers but still used the heating pad cause Midwest said the mushrooms have to colonize at 77' to 81'. I now learned that is not true so mu new batch seems to be colonizing better. Here is a pic of the chamber and 3 different strains at 18 days. Don't mind the heating pad, it isnt on. They were filled to the top with a little dry vermiculite on top but some jars seems to be sinking in.




As far as the sgfc, should I replace the lid with a piece of plexiglass with 1/4" holes 2" apart so the light above hits. I figure the top doesn't need to latch closed so the plexi would just lay on top.
Can someone please explain what vert is and what you mean by air spray. I have been misting the cakes 3-4 times a day from 12" away but pretty heavily. How many spritzes should I do at a time?
Here are two other pictures. What is the white on the stems of the first? I just plucked em and put them in the dehydrator. Are they safe? If you notice in the second picture, half the canopy started curling way up before it even opened. Referring to when you side it was overripe when these didn't even start.


Sorry for the novel. Figured I'd get it all out at once. Really want to perfect this as I've been at it for awhile now. I've gotten a nice overall yeild through 3 grows now so I can't complain but I'm a perfectionist lol.
How intensive is doing it the agar way as compared to this. Do you still use jars and stuff?
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Re: Weirdness [Re: GregP]
#23698675 - 10/01/16 10:59 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Seems like a little too much spraying for a sgfc if its as heavy as you imply.
You arent trying to fruit stalled cakes are you? It most definitely has nothing to do with the amount of spores in your syringe. Plus I would NOT use those prints you took without using agar to clean them. Thats asking for trouble. Did you use your own prints to make this batch?
As for the lighting and lid, dont worry about it. It will just make healthy fruits not grow up perfectly straight. Even if you did change some fruits would probably do the same.
Taking care of and preventing vert I have no idea about. Never got hit with it yet.
I have been getting flack from it lately, but i suggest a one day read through of The Mushroom Cultivator. Yes there is some outdated info but it would really help you see the overall picture of how a professional grow looks from agar to fruit. Read that and then get the updated info from this site. It really will answer a lot of those questions you are asking.
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Re: Weirdness [Re: GregP]
#23698683 - 10/01/16 11:05 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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First off right off the bat. Jars with foil over them is bad juju due to water build up ruining your verm layer, and causing contaminations to germinate. That plus them being in a sealed tote, you might as well just spit in every inoc hole. Its the same thing really lol. Take foil off and put the jars on an open shelf.
That third pic.. hella aspergillus Niger.
You don't need a plexiglass lid for a sgfc. The tote lid is fine
Vert is verticillium or lecanicillium depending on how technical we wanna be. It's a white mold that spreads like a bitch. It ruins crops, making them look deformed like, well like your mushrooms.
Agar for noobs should just be seen as a clean inoculant. You can still use it as a liquid inoculant to inoc jars, or drop it into some spawn. Look for stro's cleaning and isolating tek. It explains how you can clean up a culture to ensure your inoculant is pristine clean, unlike using spores.
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Okay wow. So Basically almost every cake since I have started has stalled. I have fruited those that were at least 70% white, well, because what the hell. I do have a decent amount and have gone through a bunch.Those were not my prints. I was going to use my prints the next time around but I'll see how to clean with agar. I use syringes from mushrooms.com.
So immediately after inoculating, no foil and right on shelf? No contaminants will get in as the inoc holes are just exposed?
Asper Niger?
Okay I guess I'm going to have to figure out this agar thing. Probably just order one more set of syringes from mushrooms.com. Any great strains I should grab?
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Re: Weirdness [Re: GregP]
#23698862 - 10/02/16 12:27 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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The stalling could be from the jars loosing moisture. How long did you wait til you knocked those jars up? Anyways, judging from those whack looking shrooms I'd pick a different vendor.
Agar is too much work if you're just trying to work with cakes.
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btw, trippy song azur
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Any better places to get syringes you have in mind?
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Re: Weirdness [Re: GregP]
#23698885 - 10/02/16 12:32 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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In my honest experience, all vendors have given me weak ass shrooms lately. It's a conspiracy.
Try as many different vendors out as you can is what I would do. You'll get lucky with some.
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Eventually I'll do agar but don't have time to learn right now. In a few months.
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Re: Weirdness [Re: GregP]
#23698944 - 10/02/16 01:05 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Also, when I pressure cook the jars I put masking tape over the holes thane peel before inoculating. Is that cool?
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Re: Weirdness [Re: GregP]
#23698988 - 10/02/16 01:27 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Putting off agar for a few months because you don't have time to learn? How can you have time to fail, but not time to learn?
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So immediately after inoculating, no foil and right on shelf? No contaminants will get in as the inoc holes are just exposed?
No foil needed. Just throw it right on the shelf. No need to cover holes because the jars need to breathe somewhat. It'll be ok.
Only thing I've seen that kinda fucked my jars up once were a few gnats flew into the holes. But very rarely will that happen. I'd just watch out for that.
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Also, when I pressure cook the jars I put masking tape over the holes thane peel before inoculating. Is that cool?
No need to peel the tape. Better to use breathing tape but I don't think it's necessary either.
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Well if you want to give me a link to step by step process, I'm game. It just seems wherever I look I'm not getting it. And a few months ago when I started, I had more time. I'm building my business and every ounce of my time and energy has been going into that lately, which is the most important thing in my life.
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Re: Weirdness [Re: GregP]
#23699539 - 10/02/16 09:03 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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GregP said: Well if you want to give me a link to step by step process, I'm game. It just seems wherever I look I'm not getting it. And a few months ago when I started, I had more time. I'm building my business and every ounce of my time and energy has been going into that lately, which is the most important thing in my life.
You will see the irony, once you get such a bad contamination from going spores to grain, that it never works for you ever again. Do yourself a favor, and just do agar. Pastyplates Mad Season's Sterile Technique Bodhi's Agar links
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It's called baby steps. This guy is still trying to figure out cakes. Let's not scare him off with everything at once.
Granted greg, it is wise to have a few agar plates around in case you do want to clone your fruits. The chances of your fruits going to be something extraordinary on your first few times it's pretty slim "nowadays" but the chances are still there none the less if you need to clone it.
Cloning a piece of mushroom onto agar "should" guarantee it's genetics although I've never found a fruit worth cloning.
If you don't have the time to figure out agar at the moment there are many places on the web that sell premade agar dishes.
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Re: Weirdness [Re: GregP]
#23700616 - 10/02/16 03:18 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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That'll work. Yes you can use those with spore prints made. Just don't become to reliant on always buying those because preparing your own agar is as easy as 123 if you ever get the time to figure it out. Cheaper also in the long run.
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That could work. I like Pasty's Easy Agar to start with. For $20 you can make a couple dozen plates. They're re-usable and good for getting used to it.
I don't mean to scare anyone off Leviticus, but if you'll notice, many people show up, do a grow or two and give up because it stops working for them. Just trying to help.
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Re: Weirdness [Re: GregP]
#23701186 - 10/02/16 06:20 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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If you get premade plates, they must be for fungal growth. They make different media to favor different microorganisms. So, look for PDA, MEA, LMEA, PDAY, etc.
But the pasty plates, man. Really is a good way to get started. I've gone through dozens and dozens of them. I only switched recently because I need the space! And there is a bit more prep involved.
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I know this is off topic but, any correlation between vert and human cleft lip/palate?
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The Blind Ass said: I know this is off topic but, any correlation between vert and human cleft lip/palate?
lol. thats going to be the FEDS next claim. 'kids.. if you eat shrooms.. you'll get a cleft lip.. and kill your friends.'
OP i stopped reading this thread when you mentioned 'grow kit'. you got these results because grow kits give horrible results. like jars stalling.
make your own freakin jars. if your thinking(which i can relate).. 'oh i got a grow kit cause i wanted to be sure it will work apposed to myself making the substrate... i dont wanna ruin it!!?' you need to re-read everything. like over and over again.
if you dont like failure as you said, why did you pick a 99% failure rate approach?
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Re: Weirdness [Re: mushboy]
#23703073 - 10/03/16 10:33 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hey Mr Judgemmental. Maybe you should read the rest of the thread but being you're quick to jump, I'll reiterate.
About 7-8 months ago, I decided I wanted to give this all a try. I knew nothing and when I googled the grow kit popped up. I figured this would be a great way to go as I read reviews and people had good results with it. So at the time, how would I have known it's junk??
While I have probably yielded a total of 3+ ounces since, let's fast forward. Started getting more involved in these forums and REALIZED I was doing it all wrong. If you continued to read you would have seen I redid everything and do make my own jars with a PC. You would see I made a sgfc. You would see I don't use the dumb kits humidifier and air pump and heating pad.
I'm trying to perfect this as I'm an intelligent perfectionist with an insane fear of failure. Thanks to everyone else who instead of judging and acting like I'm a moron, gave me some awesome wisdom so I could start doing it right. Must be awesome to have neve failed. Thanks for the input though.
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Re: Weirdness [Re: GregP]
#23703208 - 10/03/16 11:10 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Weirdness [Re: mushboy]
#23703210 - 10/03/16 11:10 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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haha. this.
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Re: Weirdness [Re: RyeJar]
#23710787 - 10/05/16 06:15 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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And can you reuse perlite?
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Re: Weirdness [Re: GregP]
#23710812 - 10/05/16 06:19 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah, you can plop it in the Oven for awhile, but why when fresh perlite costs like 4 bucks a bag or less?
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Re: Weirdness [Re: GregP]
#23710813 - 10/05/16 06:19 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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for a few bacthes yah. but like anything else it gets dirty with this and that. so id replace after a few bacthes. also a spore dump on perlite looks gross.
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Re: Weirdness [Re: GregP]
#23710843 - 10/05/16 06:26 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Just had a spore dump lol. Was away for a day and a half
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Re: Weirdness [Re: GregP]
#23711516 - 10/05/16 09:27 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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If there's a dry verm layer, I wouldn't put anything at all over the holes, with the exception of foil while sterilizing. It seems like it restricts GE too much.
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why TF would you replace your perlite, exactly? You can rinse it off, guys. Use 10%store bought bleach 90% tap water if you want to.
Unless it's the MG stuff, it turns green for some reason (algae?). If that's what you got, fuck that shit.
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perlite is dirt cheap. so rinsing it off after use is too much work. i work hard in life for the ability to discard perlite.
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Re: Weirdness [Re: mushboy]
#23712639 - 10/06/16 09:51 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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lol
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Re: Weirdness [Re: azur]
#23712740 - 10/06/16 10:26 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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No one should even have perlite after their first two grows. Unless you just fucking love PF cakes
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Or unless you have a nigger rigged green house
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Re: Weirdness [Re: azur]
#23712855 - 10/06/16 11:19 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I dont think the world is gonna miss any perlite I dump. But if it makes the world feel better, a lot of the shit that gets dumped goes straight into the flower bed, including perlite.
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Re: Weirdness [Re: azur]
#23712856 - 10/06/16 11:19 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Speaking of niggers did you see the girl gets ran over thread in the pub? Absolute degeneracy
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Mushierage said: I dont think the world is gonna miss any perlite I dump. But if it makes the world feel better, a lot of the shit that gets dumped goes straight into the flower bed, including perlite.
All my spent subs go straight to the garden.
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bodhisatta said: Speaking of niggers did you see the girl gets ran over thread in the pub? Absolute degeneracy
dat bitch bone hangin out her leg
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Re: Weirdness [Re: mushboy]
#23712962 - 10/06/16 11:56 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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So if not PF cakes, what next?
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Re: Weirdness [Re: GregP]
#23712975 - 10/06/16 12:01 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Bulk. Trays, monos, GH, etc.
I think most people use monos at this point. (this would be the perfect time for bod to show off those canopy harvest pics lol)
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Re: Weirdness [Re: Greg]
#23712981 - 10/06/16 12:05 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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im diggin monos with trays inside. that way i can stagger my grows and also not worry if something goes wrong. only a few eggs in the basket
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Re: Weirdness [Re: mushboy]
#23712986 - 10/06/16 12:06 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Still waiting to try this thing:
 Shoebox trays in a giant mono.
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Re: Weirdness [Re: Greg]
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Let me know. I am attempting a similar design for 3 mini shoebox tubs myself. That design looks especially appealing to me, since it holds 3 tubs at once. Perfect for when I'm doing multiple vars.
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I like the idea of just leaving the poly or micropore in too. While it's colonizing you just keep the tray lids on.
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Overcomplicated
Mix in bag.use bag you mixed in as liner
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Re: Weirdness [Re: Greg]
#23713010 - 10/06/16 12:13 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Even one full tub like 4-5 jars of spawn and a brick of coir. Hardly all your eggs in one basket

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Okay so can you point me in the right direction of learning about trays or monos? I do a few diff strains at once in the same tub so whichever is conducive to that. You guys are awesome btw.
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Re: Weirdness [Re: Greg]
#23713018 - 10/06/16 12:15 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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 60qt tote fits 3 shoe boxes perfectly.
all three are different ...verities. the one in the center has a ? mark cause i was trashed when i was inoc'n and forgot to label the jars.
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Re: Weirdness [Re: GregP]
#23713020 - 10/06/16 12:16 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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First links in my signature. Find the TNF and AMU recommend TEKs thread
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Re: Weirdness [Re: GregP]
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GregP said: Okay so can you point me in the right direction of learning about trays or monos? I do a few diff strains at once in the same tub so whichever is conducive to that. You guys are awesome btw.
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Re: Weirdness [Re: mushboy]
#23713029 - 10/06/16 12:19 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Frank's stuff is listed in both AMU and TNF. not my first choice. Read everything
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I use Pf cakes for the reason that I live with other people that aren't cool with shroom growing so it has to be extremely discreet.
But mainly, I use pf cakes to test for potency with multispore projects. What I hate is trying to find potent ass boomers with MS bulk grows. What ends up happening most of the time is I get mass amounts of bunk boomers and I just toss it all out
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mushboy
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Registered: 04/24/05
Posts: 32,281
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