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GregP
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Weirdness
#23697740 - 10/01/16 04:56 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Why does this keep happening? Mushrooms curling up. Sometimes they grow big and sometimes not so much. I keep em moist.
Also, I see pictures with a ton of mushrooms fruiting from one cake but I get much much less. Any ideas? Here is also a pic of my fruiting chamber. Aside from the hanging light I also keep the overall light on a fair amount.
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Leviticus969



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Re: Weirdness [Re: GregP]
#23697871 - 10/01/16 05:49 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Crappy genetics running around lately it seems. I've been dealing with the same.
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RyeJar
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Those are some pretty small cakes. They cant be full half pints are they? If they are not, then I would say for one flush that doesn't seem too terrible of a yield. You will get 3 more at least before they contam. They arent growing straight up because you have an opaque lid so they get the strongest light on the sides. The perlite is white so its not odd they are growing toward it when the tub only gets indirect light. The caps are curling because some of the fruits are over ripe for picking. That one mushroom is odd though. Not sure about that.
Some big some small is due to the fact each cake probably has dozens if not hundreds of strains if you used a spore syringe. If you want consistency you need to look into isolation on agar.
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Re: Weirdness [Re: RyeJar]
#23698401 - 10/01/16 09:03 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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They can curl up from using air spray, or it could be a lecanicillium infection (vert). That's not a genetic mutation.
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Mad Season
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I'd bet money that shit is vert.. hairlip galore
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GregP
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Re: Weirdness [Re: azur]
#23698671 - 10/01/16 10:55 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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They are half pint wide mouth cakes. Also, I have been having problems getting them to fully colonize. Could it be from lack of spores in the syringe? I started printing so I will put more next batch. I originally got the kit from Midwest grow kits and it included a heating pad. I have since used the expertise of fellow posters to build my own chambers but still used the heating pad cause Midwest said the mushrooms have to colonize at 77' to 81'. I now learned that is not true so mu new batch seems to be colonizing better. Here is a pic of the chamber and 3 different strains at 18 days. Don't mind the heating pad, it isnt on. They were filled to the top with a little dry vermiculite on top but some jars seems to be sinking in.




As far as the sgfc, should I replace the lid with a piece of plexiglass with 1/4" holes 2" apart so the light above hits. I figure the top doesn't need to latch closed so the plexi would just lay on top.
Can someone please explain what vert is and what you mean by air spray. I have been misting the cakes 3-4 times a day from 12" away but pretty heavily. How many spritzes should I do at a time?
Here are two other pictures. What is the white on the stems of the first? I just plucked em and put them in the dehydrator. Are they safe? If you notice in the second picture, half the canopy started curling way up before it even opened. Referring to when you side it was overripe when these didn't even start.


Sorry for the novel. Figured I'd get it all out at once. Really want to perfect this as I've been at it for awhile now. I've gotten a nice overall yeild through 3 grows now so I can't complain but I'm a perfectionist lol.
How intensive is doing it the agar way as compared to this. Do you still use jars and stuff?
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RyeJar
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Re: Weirdness [Re: GregP]
#23698675 - 10/01/16 10:59 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Seems like a little too much spraying for a sgfc if its as heavy as you imply.
You arent trying to fruit stalled cakes are you? It most definitely has nothing to do with the amount of spores in your syringe. Plus I would NOT use those prints you took without using agar to clean them. Thats asking for trouble. Did you use your own prints to make this batch?
As for the lighting and lid, dont worry about it. It will just make healthy fruits not grow up perfectly straight. Even if you did change some fruits would probably do the same.
Taking care of and preventing vert I have no idea about. Never got hit with it yet.
I have been getting flack from it lately, but i suggest a one day read through of The Mushroom Cultivator. Yes there is some outdated info but it would really help you see the overall picture of how a professional grow looks from agar to fruit. Read that and then get the updated info from this site. It really will answer a lot of those questions you are asking.
Edited by RyeJar (10/01/16 11:06 PM)
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Re: Weirdness [Re: GregP]
#23698683 - 10/01/16 11:05 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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First off right off the bat. Jars with foil over them is bad juju due to water build up ruining your verm layer, and causing contaminations to germinate. That plus them being in a sealed tote, you might as well just spit in every inoc hole. Its the same thing really lol. Take foil off and put the jars on an open shelf.
That third pic.. hella aspergillus Niger.
You don't need a plexiglass lid for a sgfc. The tote lid is fine
Vert is verticillium or lecanicillium depending on how technical we wanna be. It's a white mold that spreads like a bitch. It ruins crops, making them look deformed like, well like your mushrooms.
Agar for noobs should just be seen as a clean inoculant. You can still use it as a liquid inoculant to inoc jars, or drop it into some spawn. Look for stro's cleaning and isolating tek. It explains how you can clean up a culture to ensure your inoculant is pristine clean, unlike using spores.
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GregP
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Okay wow. So Basically almost every cake since I have started has stalled. I have fruited those that were at least 70% white, well, because what the hell. I do have a decent amount and have gone through a bunch.Those were not my prints. I was going to use my prints the next time around but I'll see how to clean with agar. I use syringes from mushrooms.com.
So immediately after inoculating, no foil and right on shelf? No contaminants will get in as the inoc holes are just exposed?
Asper Niger?
Okay I guess I'm going to have to figure out this agar thing. Probably just order one more set of syringes from mushrooms.com. Any great strains I should grab?
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Leviticus969



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Re: Weirdness [Re: GregP]
#23698862 - 10/02/16 12:27 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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The stalling could be from the jars loosing moisture. How long did you wait til you knocked those jars up? Anyways, judging from those whack looking shrooms I'd pick a different vendor.
Agar is too much work if you're just trying to work with cakes.
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Leviticus969



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btw, trippy song azur
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GregP
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Any better places to get syringes you have in mind?
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Leviticus969



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Re: Weirdness [Re: GregP]
#23698885 - 10/02/16 12:32 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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In my honest experience, all vendors have given me weak ass shrooms lately. It's a conspiracy.
Try as many different vendors out as you can is what I would do. You'll get lucky with some.
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GregP
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Eventually I'll do agar but don't have time to learn right now. In a few months.
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GregP
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Re: Weirdness [Re: GregP]
#23698944 - 10/02/16 01:05 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Also, when I pressure cook the jars I put masking tape over the holes thane peel before inoculating. Is that cool?
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Re: Weirdness [Re: GregP]
#23698988 - 10/02/16 01:27 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Putting off agar for a few months because you don't have time to learn? How can you have time to fail, but not time to learn?
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Leviticus969



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So immediately after inoculating, no foil and right on shelf? No contaminants will get in as the inoc holes are just exposed?
No foil needed. Just throw it right on the shelf. No need to cover holes because the jars need to breathe somewhat. It'll be ok.
Only thing I've seen that kinda fucked my jars up once were a few gnats flew into the holes. But very rarely will that happen. I'd just watch out for that.
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Also, when I pressure cook the jars I put masking tape over the holes thane peel before inoculating. Is that cool?
No need to peel the tape. Better to use breathing tape but I don't think it's necessary either.
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GregP
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Well if you want to give me a link to step by step process, I'm game. It just seems wherever I look I'm not getting it. And a few months ago when I started, I had more time. I'm building my business and every ounce of my time and energy has been going into that lately, which is the most important thing in my life.
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dankington
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Re: Weirdness [Re: GregP]
#23699539 - 10/02/16 09:03 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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GregP said: Well if you want to give me a link to step by step process, I'm game. It just seems wherever I look I'm not getting it. And a few months ago when I started, I had more time. I'm building my business and every ounce of my time and energy has been going into that lately, which is the most important thing in my life.
You will see the irony, once you get such a bad contamination from going spores to grain, that it never works for you ever again. Do yourself a favor, and just do agar. Pastyplates Mad Season's Sterile Technique Bodhi's Agar links
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