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Best marketable starting strains
    #23697608 - 10/01/16 03:52 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I have almost get my shed completely setup for everything, will post pictures later, but I need to order me some spawn since it's going to take 2-3 weeks most anywhere I look.  I will probably be going with 3015 amycel because i've seen it all over these forums, but I Want a secondary strain as well for profit that can easily be grown in same area, thinking kings or shiitake. However I also have the option to grow shiitake outside on natural logs so I'm torn.

Indoors I will be using sawdust logs with bran, have access to kiln dried oak sawdust by the truckload so that will be my main substrate.  My shed is insulated with insulation foam, and 4 foot of surrounding concrete foundation.  I wanted to ensure year round temperature and humidity would not be an issue.  My fruiting chamber is roughly 15x15x10(height), with 4 long shelves, so space and chamber is setup nicely.  I've got one local chef that I met through my business working as a cable technician who is interested in seeing what I have when I get it all setup, so I just want to make sure I try my best to start off right with all of your guys experiences :smile:

My area has a lot of of vegans/asian culture in my downtown area that I Really want to market to.  Thanks for any advise


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Re: Best marketable starting strains [Re: Ipoxa]
    #23697666 - 10/01/16 04:25 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Shiitake and oysters can be cultivated in the same chamber fairly well. You will get a slightly better quality shiitake if grown inot it's own chamber with a nearly fully saturated RH of 96-98% Then the stems will stay soft and edible. With RH this high your oysters will be soaked when harvest time comes. Aloha 3782 is a good shiitske strain if not the best. Your chamber is large enough that you could split the chamber it two zones. Also oysters like to be misted right upto a few hours prior to harvest while shiitake should only be misted when pins, never mature fruits or they will be waterlogged. Most Oyster mushrooms requite high FAE so your insulation won't do jack since your pumping air through the chamber so often.


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Re: Best marketable starting strains [Re: Gr0wer]
    #23698205 - 10/01/16 07:38 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

How often does your intake/output run every day and for how long?


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Re: Best marketable starting strains [Re: Ipoxa]
    #23698326 - 10/01/16 08:31 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Insulation definetly helps even if you're venting


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Re: Best marketable starting strains [Re: drake89]
    #23699186 - 10/02/16 05:23 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

hey Ipoxa,
i have my room ventilation set up to a repeat cycle timer at 5 minutes on and 10 minutes off. I have polytubing acting as a duct on my intake and a 6" duct fan as my outtake.

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Re: Best marketable starting strains [Re: anthiawe]
    #23699198 - 10/02/16 05:36 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Does your intake/outtake run on the same timer, same amount of time?


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Re: Best marketable starting strains [Re: Ipoxa]
    #23699204 - 10/02/16 05:47 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

right, so i have the repeat cycle timer to a power bar through which i can run two fans. SO my intake AND outake fans run for 5 minutes on, providing some fresh air exchange. removing the stale C02 air and providing the room with fresh air, will be challenging come the -30 Celsius during the winter for me. they are both off for the 10minutes. some like to have another fan inside the room just to create some air movement while the other fans are off.

repeat cycle timers can be a serious cost, there are a few mods you can do to cheaper timers. different posts on the shroomery can help you with that.


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Re: Best marketable starting strains [Re: anthiawe]
    #23701882 - 10/02/16 10:35 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I use a hydro repeat timer for my foggers, they run about $50-90.


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Re: Best marketable starting strains [Re: Gr0wer]
    #23702164 - 10/03/16 12:44 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

IMO you better off just sizing your fans correctly and putting them on dimmers to adjust FAE, then your not spending time with timers and you have constant airflow. I find that with oysters like 3015 where they get lanky fast with low FAE having high circulation will help keep em short, So plan on 1-2 fans in there just to circulate air around all the shelving.


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Re: Best marketable starting strains [Re: Gr0wer]
    #23702394 - 10/03/16 03:45 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Like a wall mount fan?  I didn't think it was good to stir the spores around that much with a fan, and yeah I already have a 5 minute programmable timer I bought long ago that I can use for this.


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Re: Best marketable starting strains [Re: Ipoxa]
    #23702429 - 10/03/16 04:22 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

get a respirator for them spores. oysters drop them like crazy.

Gr0wer, i'll always be jealous of US prices - just got one recently for $130.00 CAD. my humidifiers are always on, but i think i have some different weather than down in texas.

Ipoxa where are you? running fans all the time could be problematic
if you get below 0 Celsius or 35 Fahrenheit, air gets way too dry. so Gr0Wer has his timers on his humidifiers where i have my timers on the fans, environmental differences play a big part in setting up a grow room.


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Re: Best marketable starting strains [Re: anthiawe]
    #23702467 - 10/03/16 05:17 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Most definitely, which is part of the reason why I heavily insulated my shed to help prevent outside temperature from affecting it as much.  I have a heavy duty respirator I purchased, but I don't understand why you guys are talking about spending so much on a timer that just needs minute intervals right?  So I'm going to start with the 5 on 10 off and get a C02 tester and how high should I be aiming for?

Also I am in the very midwest of the US, the saying around here is wait 5 minutes and the weather will change, because our weather fluctuates day to day.  However I don't see many nights below 10 degrees Fahrenheit on the coldest nights, and never anything warmer than 95 on the hottest day, but I have a lot ton of humidity year round. So I think I can manage that pretty well in a 800 sq foot fully insulated shed, especially with my swamp cooler for warmer months, and a inline heater fan I can rig up to intake if need be.  By the way would it be a bad idea to have my intake low in my lab area since it's sterile and will be warmer?  It also is what I must enter before the fruiting area.


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Re: Best marketable starting strains [Re: Ipoxa]
    #23702484 - 10/03/16 05:38 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Ignore all the clutter that is all being cleaned out today as I have a 4 day work week the next 3 weeks so I have plenty of time to get this done perfectly to my wants. I will be spraying foam tomorrow after cleaning, putting plastic over the foam to help keep moisture in.  Picture with the table will be my lab area with flow hood, and main entrance into fruiting. Will have a 55 gallon drum in there full of water for supply and heating, swamp cooler next to it with 6 inch ventilation.  I am thinking of putting my intake into lab area, and output of course high in the fruiting area. I have 3 good weeks of available time to do this, I want to make sure I finish the construction part so I can purchase my spawn by Halloween at the latest.


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Re: Best marketable starting strains [Re: Ipoxa]
    #23707223 - 10/04/16 03:16 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

sounds and looks like you have things moving along well. keep posting!


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Re: Best marketable starting strains [Re: anthiawe]
    #23709213 - 10/05/16 08:25 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Awesome! I use a 8" inline duct fan on a ventech dimmer for circulation, turned down to medium. I currently only have one and i really notice how the mushrooms on that side of the chamber look much better, shorter stems and more dense clusters from the airflow and co2 circulation.


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Re: Best marketable starting strains [Re: Gr0wer]
    #23709612 - 10/05/16 11:16 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Well I was thinking of doing a dual exhaust, and for what you just said I think I will since it's a square room like yours, I will put a exhaust on both sides I have the inline booster fans already.  How often do your timers run Grower? 

Update, insulation sprayed, tomorrow go to start buying things to build shelving, lab area just needs plastic off after I put up foam board insulation.  Coming along nicely, will post pictures later.  Thanks for all the inspiration on this site.


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Re: Best marketable starting strains [Re: Ipoxa]
    #23709809 - 10/05/16 12:27 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I don't run timers, everything is on Fantech blower dimmers.


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Re: Best marketable starting strains [Re: Gr0wer]
    #23710452 - 10/05/16 04:29 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

So your intake/exhaust are running all the time at medium speeds?


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Re: Best marketable starting strains [Re: Ipoxa]
    #23710980 - 10/05/16 06:59 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)





Room has been sprayed today, already feels like i'm in an much more airtight room.  Going to plastic tomorrow, and finish in the lab area.  Next week I think I'm ready to order spawn!  Even though I have the space I think I am going to start with building a very similiar shelf to yours Grower one at a time until I start needing to expand.


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Re: Best marketable starting strains [Re: Ipoxa]
    #23711556 - 10/05/16 09:42 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Looking good! did you rent a spray gun?


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Re: Best marketable starting strains [Re: Gr0wer]
    #23712084 - 10/06/16 04:18 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Nope I won an auction on ebay for a DIY kit, bit on the pricey side, but will be very worth it because I feel a HUGE difference, in just even that room oppose to my house.  It was very easy to do, just time consuming


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Re: Best marketable starting strains [Re: Ipoxa]
    #23713044 - 10/06/16 12:26 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Best marketable starting strains [Re: TravelAgency]
    #23714279 - 10/06/16 08:07 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

It's a rainy night 87% humidity outside, but my almost completely airtight fruiting and lab is sitting at 78 degrees while outside it's 70 so that's a good sign.  Already hitting 73 on the humistat with zero assistance, I was concerned about heating the place in the winter, but it doesn't seem like it will be a huge concern, that foam is paying off quickly, because this shed was very hard to control temperature before so.

Completely got my lab area plastic off with 4mill, looks like a murder room.  Got a 6" intake coming from my lab area which has a fresh air exhaust in the roof, with an 8" exhaust in my fruiting area to be installed soon as it arrives.  Will have swamp cooler/humidifier with 3 disc foggers, I think I will be able to cool and keep humidity up enough with these two components, and I don't feel like heating will be a huge issue, but we shall see when it starts to get colder around here.


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Re: Best marketable starting strains [Re: Ipoxa]
    #23716229 - 10/07/16 12:34 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Awesome setup in the works; something similar to that has been my dream for about a year now. I would be constructing mine, however I can't find a feasible solution for winter climate. When I grew my oysters they required A LOT of fresh air as they do not respond well to even slightly elevated co2 concentrations. The temp frequently dips to 0 degrees and heating all of that air would be a tall order.

Your building is clearly maximally insulated, but your duct work will be bypassing that insulation with a significant volume of cold air. How do you plan on dealing with that?


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    #23716498 - 10/07/16 02:07 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

How so? My "duct work"will consist of a 6" flex pipe that will be under the ceiling plastic.  I have a large home made humidifier/swamp cooler that will cool


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Re: Best marketable starting strains [Re: Ipoxa]
    #23720336 - 10/08/16 06:44 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Right, but your fresh air will still be coming from outside, no?. In the winter months that air will be cold. No matter how well insulated your place is you are losing heat and will have to put *some* amount of energy back into the system.


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    #23720568 - 10/08/16 08:17 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I have trap doors on my exhaust/intake that shut when fans arent in use.


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    #23720609 - 10/08/16 08:34 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Which look more or less like a dryer vent


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Re: Best marketable starting strains [Re: Ipoxa]
    #23720795 - 10/08/16 09:55 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Right, but your fresh air will still be coming from outside, no?. In the winter months that air will be cold. No matter how well insulated your place is you are losing heat and will have to put *some* amount of energy back into the system.



My thoughts too.

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It's a rainy night 87% humidity outside, but my almost completely airtight fruiting and lab is sitting at 78 degrees while outside it's 70 so that's a good sign.  Already hitting 73 on the humistat with zero assistance, I was concerned about heating the place in the winter, but it doesn't seem like it will be a huge concern, that foam is paying off quickly, because this shed was very hard to control temperature before so.

Completely got my lab area plastic off with 4mill, looks like a murder room.  Got a 6" intake coming from my lab area which has a fresh air exhaust in the roof, with an 8" exhaust in my fruiting area to be installed soon as it arrives.  Will have swamp cooler/humidifier with 3 disc foggers, I think I will be able to cool and keep humidity up enough with these two components, and I don't feel like heating will be a huge issue, but we shall see when it starts to get colder around here.



I can't envision where your FAE is coming from given these two things.  If your space is airtight and you try to exhaust to the outside, your fan is going to create negative pressure with no air flow.  Unless I'm interpreting this wrong.


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Re: Best marketable starting strains [Re: shroombasa]
    #23721243 - 10/09/16 04:57 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

The intake fan runs at the same time as the exhaust which continues positive pressure.  The trap door is only on exhaust so when both fans are not running, im not getting air in from my between my exhaust fan blades that exhausts outside.  My intake has a fresh air vent from the roof that I will be tapping into.

I just am in a riddle of how I want to split the room for two Shiitake and Oyster strains, and still have good pressure.  I could connect my exhaust and add a booster in to both rooms, but would that be an issue of spore mixture?  I'll take more pictures later today, plastic all up except the ceilings.


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Re: Best marketable starting strains [Re: Ipoxa]
    #23721309 - 10/09/16 06:22 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

http://www.supplyhouse.com/Air-King-BDD8R-BDD6R-8-Round-Duct-Metal-Back-Draft-Damper

I found something very similar to this in my shed when I First bought my house, and it works exactly for what I need.


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