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#23696733 - 10/01/16 10:17 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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http://news.abs-cbn.com/news/09/30/16/duterte-human-rights-is-anti-thesis-of-government
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Dharel Placido, ABS-CBN News
Posted at Sep 30 2016 08:12 PM
MANILA – President Rodrigo Duterte on Friday told cops to ignore criticisms from human rights groups, saying the concept of human rights is the “anti-thesis of government.”
Local and international human rights groups have been alarmed by what they believe is Duterte’s blatant disregard for human rights, as the death toll in his administration's war on drugs continues to rise by the day.
But Duterte remains unfazed by the criticisms.
“Huwag kayong makinig dyan sa [Don’t listen to] human rights (groups), because human rights is always the anti-thesis of government,” Duterte told an audience of mostly policewomen.
The United Nations, United States, and European Union have expressed alarm over Duterte’s war on drugs, but the foul-mouthed leader has instead spewed more vitriol and shrugged off calls that his government respect due process and follow the rule of law.
In a speech earlier today that has shocked observers anew, Duterte said he would kill 3 million drug addicts just like how Adolf Hitler killed Jews during the Holocaust.
READ: Duterte cites Hitler: I'd be happy to slaughter 3 million
In his speech this afternoon, Duterte again lambasted Western governments for their supposed hypocrisy, saying they don’t know the ills afflicting the Philippines’ justice system.
Duterte argued, the justice system in the country is faulty at times that it has allowed drug users to go scot-free and leave police officers vulnerable.
Duterte again stressed that he will back policemen involved in the bloody war on drugs, saying he will assume full responsibility for the anti-crime campaign.
Data by ABS-CBN’s Investigative and Research Group showed that 1,109 people were killed by the policemen in anti-drug operations from May 10 to September 30; 616 were killed by unidentified assailants during the same period. At least 139 bodies were discovered to have been dumped in various locations.
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#23696769 - 10/01/16 10:29 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I still can't wrap my head around how people on site continue to seemingly support this wretch.
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#23696847 - 10/01/16 10:58 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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the entire worlds migratory patterns have been squashed out and we now live in a prison planet
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404 said: I still can't wrap my head around how people on site continue to seemingly support this wretch.
Yeah it is mind blowing... Human rights is the antithesis of oppression guess what governments love to do?...
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Re: Duterte: Human rights is 'anti-thesis' of government [Re: 404] 1
#23697287 - 10/01/16 01:48 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I completely agree with the statement itself. Human rights are the antithesis of government. Thats why we need as limited as government as possible with as many checks and balances as possible. The US founding fathers would have been in full agreement with Deterte and thats why they went to incredible lengths to have all the checks and balances and constitutional rights they put in place. We'd have a pretty good system here in the US if we'd go back to the constitution and actually follow it. I can go through the document and give examples of how every right excepting ban on the quartering of soldiers in private homes is infringed.
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Re: Duterte: Human rights is 'anti-thesis' of government [Re: Ellis Dee]
#23697445 - 10/01/16 02:56 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I believe anyone who forcefully imposes their ideologies onto another human being--unwillingly or not--is a good candidate for a good old fashion kick in the head. As for this guy, he has already compared himself to Hitler and tried to say he(Duterte) is a saint for calling for genocide of his own people.
I think it's amazing that 2016 has turned out to be such a massive step backwards in human rights and progress. It's actually very scary, especially when normal people justify the actions of figureheads like Trump or Duterte. It's turning into the eve of the Great Wars again.
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Re: Duterte: Human rights is 'anti-thesis' of government [Re: Oggy]
#23699962 - 10/02/16 11:43 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hitler gave us freedom of religion but not by his choice, will Duterte give us freedom of drugs? As Oggy pointed out sometimes humanity needs a kick in the head.
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Re: Duterte: Human rights is 'anti-thesis' of government [Re: rider420]
#23704542 - 10/03/16 06:10 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Wtf does Hitler have to do with freedon of Religion?
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Re: Duterte: Human rights is 'anti-thesis' of government [Re: Murzelpfrumpft]
#23704569 - 10/03/16 06:17 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Murzelpfrumpft said: Wtf does Hitler have to do with freedon of Religion?
Because his tyrannical oppression somehow led to religions being less persecuted later on? Maybe that is his logic
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Re: Duterte: Human rights is 'anti-thesis' of government [Re: 404]
#23704579 - 10/03/16 06:23 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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404 said: I still can't wrap my head around how people on site continue to seemingly support this wretch.
Do you have any idea what the Philippines is like? I am just curious, since you seem to think you know what you're talking about.
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Re: Duterte: Human rights is 'anti-thesis' of government [Re: musiclover420]
#23704752 - 10/03/16 07:16 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Murzelpfrumpft said: Wtf does Hitler have to do with freedon of Religion?
Because his tyrannical oppression somehow led to religions being less persecuted later on? Maybe that is his logic 
That was not the case at all, as far as I'm concerned. Hate on jews was not changed in any way outside of Germany. What he did is bring the muslim invasion upon his homeland, yes. But thats nothing I'd describe as religious freedom...
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Re: Duterte: Human rights is 'anti-thesis' of government [Re: Murzelpfrumpft]
#23704769 - 10/03/16 07:22 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah I wasn't agreeing with him either, more just pondering his strange logic
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Re: Duterte: Human rights is 'anti-thesis' of government [Re: musiclover420]
#23704797 - 10/03/16 07:32 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Murzelpfrumpft said: Wtf does Hitler have to do with freedon of Religion?
Because his tyrannical oppression somehow led to religions being less persecuted later on? Maybe that is his logic 
I can't figure that statement out either.
Under Hitler, my guess is freedom of religion would be like the Spanish inquisition where the people had freedom of religion as long as they wanted to be Catholic.
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Re: Duterte: Human rights is 'anti-thesis' of government [Re: Ellis Dee]
#23705102 - 10/03/16 09:32 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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jokes on him 10,000 people died in a hurricane there recently
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Re: Duterte: Human rights is 'anti-thesis' of government [Re: 404]
#23705555 - 10/04/16 12:37 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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404 In his speech this afternoon, Duterte again lambasted Western governments for their supposed hypocrisy, saying they don’t know the ills afflicting the Philippines’ justice system.
One-sided anti-Duterte western media report using heavily suggestive and influential language: 'Supposed hypocrisy'
President of the country with +90% approval rating from his people: "You dont understand what it's like here"
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Re: Duterte: Human rights is 'anti-thesis' of government [Re: rider420]
#23710173 - 10/05/16 02:38 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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rider420 said: Hitler gave us freedom of religion but not by his choice, will Duterte give us freedom of drugs? As Oggy pointed out sometimes humanity needs a kick in the head.
I don't think we necessarily have anymore religious freedom because of hitler.
What this guy is doing in the Philippines will not affect our drug laws. And what Hitler was doing has no affect on how we treat Muslims in America Today. Any time, any age another cruel dictator could take the reigns from any government because humanity will always be in a battle, life is full of many different kinds of wars and we must constantly be in a state of at the very least attempting world peace, religious freedom, freedom of speech, freedom to use drugs etc... it never ends we must never give up the good fight my friend.
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It does. Dont forget that it was one of Angela Merkels speeches in which she promised every refugee a home, that set off the massive waves towards europe. No german politician would have done that without Germany's past. And thus Hitlers deeds do have international influence. The USA takes in muslims out of solidarity, too. Everyone in the United States has seen the news on the lengths muslims would go through to reach Germany and the shit that happened since then has thus influenced how Americans view muslims/ muslim refugees quite a bit. He fucked up, majorly and permanently.
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Re: Duterte: Human rights is 'anti-thesis' of government [Re: Murzelpfrumpft]
#23711277 - 10/05/16 08:05 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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That's true i suppose.
I guess the premise of what i am saying though is that we shouldn't look back on historical events and think it couldn't happen again and that we have solved the problem.
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Re: Duterte: Human rights is 'anti-thesis' of government [Re: Everything]
#23713313 - 10/06/16 02:00 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I had a dream last night that I was doin lines of coke and smoking weed with Duterte. It was pretty weird
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Re: Duterte: Human rights is 'anti-thesis' of government [Re: rawrrawr]
#23714962 - 10/07/16 01:54 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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404 said: I still can't wrap my head around how people on site continue to seemingly support this wretch.
Do you have any idea what the Philippines is like? I am just curious, since you seem to think you know what you're talking about.
Irrelevant and straw man, we are talking about human rights abuse here. people shouldn't be murdered for drug use.
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Re: Duterte: Human rights is 'anti-thesis' of government [Re: 404] 1
#23715432 - 10/07/16 07:35 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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404 said: I still can't wrap my head around how people on site continue to seemingly support this wretch.
Do you have any idea what the Philippines is like? I am just curious, since you seem to think you know what you're talking about.
Irrelevant and straw man, we are talking about human rights abuse here. people shouldn't be murdered for drug use.
I wonder how many have been killed at the hands of the crimimal underbelly.
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Re: Duterte: Human rights is 'anti-thesis' of government [Re: nuds]
#23717056 - 10/07/16 05:16 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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404 said: I still can't wrap my head around how people on site continue to seemingly support this wretch.
Do you have any idea what the Philippines is like? I am just curious, since you seem to think you know what you're talking about.
Irrelevant and straw man, we are talking about human rights abuse here. people shouldn't be murdered for drug use.
I wonder how many have been killed at the hands of the criminal underbelly.
A lot. But his graph speaks only to heroin deaths in the USA. Not an apples to apples comparison necessarily, but it makes a point.

To open this argument a bit wider. Bear in mind that the president and military take an oath to protect and defend against both foreign and domestic enemies. At what point does a heroin dealer become a domestic enemy and why should domestic enemy heroin dealers be treated with the same rights as I have if their business is the poisoning deaths of my fellow citizen?
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Re: Duterte: Human rights is 'anti-thesis' of government [Re: Ellis Dee]
#23717403 - 10/07/16 07:08 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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My response to your argument is that the people buying the heroin probably look at this graph and think "nice this means the heroin supply is more readily available and stronger than pre 2007'.
i don't do heroin anymore but i used to and an addict would look at this graph as a statistic and wonder how this affects their own personal habit. And what it probably means is they can score heroin more easily and it is more potent than it used to be.
It's certainly scary and i worry about my friends that shoot dope.
However the heroin dealer is a socially engineered terrorist to society then, created by the US government.
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Re: Duterte: Human rights is 'anti-thesis' of government [Re: Everything]
#23717795 - 10/07/16 08:57 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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all that chart says to me is that we should legalize it so the plots do the exact opposite like we've seen in the same drugs and different ones in places across the globe from colorado to portugal. no one really dies on opiods as a direct result of someone else's choice from the user unless it's cut with fent and the user didn't know before hand... however it'd still be their decision to use, and furhermore is another fundamental with the drug war itself. drug war = higher black market profits, more deaths, more use, more allure.
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404 said: I still can't wrap my head around how people on site continue to seemingly support this wretch.
Do you have any idea what the Philippines is like? I am just curious, since you seem to think you know what you're talking about.
Irrelevant and straw man, we are talking about human rights abuse here. people shouldn't be murdered for drug use.
I wonder how many have been killed at the hands of the crimimal underbelly.
another strawman, got any other logical fallacies you'd like to try? because this one's not suiting you well. you're justifying murder with murder, and neither are justifiable.
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404 said: I still can't wrap my head around how people on site continue to seemingly support this wretch.
Do you have any idea what the Philippines is like? I am just curious, since you seem to think you know what you're talking about.
Irrelevant and straw man, we are talking about human rights abuse here. people shouldn't be murdered for drug use.
I wonder how many have been killed at the hands of the crimimal underbelly.
another strawman, got any other logical fallacies you'd like to try? because this one's not suiting you well. you're justifying murder with murder, and neither are justifiable.
It was but a simple musing.
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