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Anyone on my level?
#23696164 - 10/01/16 02:14 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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The level where you know there really are no levels, and levels along with all other psychological and conceptual phenomenon only exist in our brain organs, and that who we pretend to be cannot be what we are because we are seeing it. Our entire world is a projection of our inner states, and we, as "persons" don't have any sort of tangible existence; for example my name is Justin, but there is no Justin, there is this body and a psychological conditioning labeled Justin, and the witness of it.
And also to see the ego-filled paragraph above created by a fictional entity who has a desire to connect with someone who is perhaps experiencing the same thing, but all the while recognizing the utter meaninglessness of it, and the weakness of seeking acceptance and confirmation while remaining a "person" which is actually the thing I should be avoiding, not strengthening with further attachment. The operation of consciousness has created the ‘apparition’ called ‘me’.
If I was to say the truest thing I know, I will say that I am a ghost.
But was it supposed to be like this? Are you meant to identify with the instrument and pretend to be it?
"When the various rivers flow into the great Ocean They lose their individual names and become Ocean only. When the raindrop is falling towards the Ocean, It may experience some fear. But when it touches the Ocean, can it tell the story Of this meeting?"
"Something brought you here. Something inside is delighted to be reminded – you are nobody."
"Attempting to identify with the source is an idea. You are already that."
-Mooji
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Re: Anyone on my level? [Re: Tmethyl]
#23696225 - 10/01/16 03:29 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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this guy eckhart tolle is a spiritual teacher. I can't say whether he can be taken seriously or not since he says he awakened.
you might find something useful from him. perhaps
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Re: Anyone on my level? [Re: hobowizard] 2
#23696907 - 10/01/16 11:20 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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hobowizard said: this guy eckhart tolle is a spiritual teacher. I can't say whether he can be taken seriously or not since he says he awakened.
you might find something useful from him. perhaps
Read 2 of his books and watched several of his videos. The problem here is I don't think more knowledge is going to get me anywhere, other than having more knowledge. Actually I think this is beyond knowledge, and beyond all phenomenon. Anything that can be seen is not it.
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Re: Anyone on my level? [Re: Tmethyl]
#23697181 - 10/01/16 01:04 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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You have achieved Shoshin. The beginner's mind.
Shosh!
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Re: Anyone on my level? [Re: yeah] 1
#23697186 - 10/01/16 01:05 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Anyone on my level? [Re: Tmethyl]
#23697722 - 10/01/16 04:47 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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It's not very useful to think you don't exist. Simply the mind must become trapped in the Self, such that it knows only Turiya.
Since the world is a projection of the inner state as you say, behold the magical wonderland you will perceive if you establish Turiya.
So Beautiful
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Re: Anyone on my level? [Re: Tmethyl]
#23697943 - 10/01/16 06:15 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Sorry. No one else is on your level. Good luck
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Re: Anyone on my level? [Re: yeah]
#23697960 - 10/01/16 06:21 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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yeah said: Sorry. No one else is on your level. Good luck 
If you fully grasped what I said, you would realize you and everyone else are on "my" level and that levels simultaneously don't exist in any tangible way. So here we are.  And also not fully grasping it, is the same as grasping it fully, and the one who pretends to grasp things is not even real. It's a wave.
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Re: Anyone on my level? [Re: Tmethyl]
#23697999 - 10/01/16 06:34 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Bitch I didn't even read the shit you said. Quit talking shit
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Re: Anyone on my level? [Re: yeah]
#23698393 - 10/01/16 09:00 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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yeah said: Bitch I didn't even read the shit you said. Quit talking shit 
You read my posts as if I wrote them in some fevered anger and/or negativity. Which likely points to your personal internal state. I'm merely pointing out the paradox of this thread and the posts following.
Joyfully actually.
It's just the way things apparently are.. At this time..
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Re: Anyone on my level? [Re: Tmethyl]
#23698483 - 10/01/16 09:31 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Looking down from my level, I can see you way down there, like a small stone at the bottom of a large mountain.
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Re: Anyone on my level? [Re: viktor]
#23699249 - 10/02/16 06:28 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Anyone on my level? [Re: Tmethyl] 1
#23699347 - 10/02/16 07:36 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Dude, you are in Florida! I'm in God's country. I'm so far above your level you look like a speck on an ant from a passenger plane that I can see way down below me.
So, no, I'm not on your level...

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dont be dissin florida. florida is fun.
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Hey cleverest, thanks for posting Deakin earlier, it's all I hoped Painting With would be, more like C-Hz. 
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Re: Anyone on my level? [Re: yeah] 1
#23701140 - 10/02/16 06:09 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Let's be real, Florida is an absolute shithole. 
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yeah said:
I didn't even watch this, or even click it, but I see the problems it has and you are just a beginner.
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Re: Anyone on my level? [Re: Tmethyl]
#23701161 - 10/02/16 06:15 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thanks for all these posts, I feel like I'm winning @ lyfe now.
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Re: Anyone on my level? [Re: Tmethyl]
#23701313 - 10/02/16 07:08 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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yeah is sometimes funny, sometimes lame, not really consistent, ignore him where applicable.
But like I say try to see other worlds. Seems life is literally magic.
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Re: Anyone on my level? [Re: yeah]
#23701774 - 10/02/16 09:45 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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yeah I'm on you're level.. whatever you say, boss...
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Re: Anyone on my level? [Re: yeah]
#23701806 - 10/02/16 09:59 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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yeah said: yeah I'm on you're level.. whatever you say, boss...
I was hoping you'd come around. Welcome.
As to what I want you to do, please sit still. Close your eyes. You shouldn't be able to read this 3rd line, because your eyes are closed. If you've made it to the 4th line, you have disobeyed. If you've made it to the 5th line, well, that's impressive. 6th line, you are now the boss, boss.
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Re: Anyone on my level? [Re: Tmethyl] 1
#23701856 - 10/02/16 10:20 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Abandon the intellect which craves security in what is only a dream. When your finished please clean up after yourself. And its nice seeing the levels, turned on its side its one nice level level. level level level level level level level level level. Level.
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Re: Anyone on my level? [Re: Tmethyl]
#23701880 - 10/02/16 10:35 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm bored of redpilling myself. People do it to me in real life now.
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Re: Anyone on my level? [Re: Middleman]
#23702502 - 10/03/16 05:53 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah man his album is so good, better than painting with and I actually really like painting with.
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Re: Anyone on my level? [Re: Tmethyl]
#23702573 - 10/03/16 06:41 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Tmethyl said: The level where you know there really are no levels, and levels along with all other psychological and conceptual phenomenon only exist in our brain organs, and that who we pretend to be cannot be what we are because we are seeing it. Our entire world is a projection of our inner states, and we, as "persons" don't have any sort of tangible existence; for example my name is Justin, but there is no Justin, there is this body and a psychological conditioning labeled Justin, and the witness of it.
And also to see the ego-filled paragraph above created by a fictional entity who has a desire to connect with someone who is perhaps experiencing the same thing, but all the while recognizing the utter meaninglessness of it, and the weakness of seeking acceptance and confirmation while remaining a "person" which is actually the thing I should be avoiding, not strengthening with further attachment. The operation of consciousness has created the ‘apparition’ called ‘me’.
If I was to say the truest thing I know, I will say that I am a ghost.
But was it supposed to be like this? Are you meant to identify with the instrument and pretend to be it?
"When the various rivers flow into the great Ocean They lose their individual names and become Ocean only. When the raindrop is falling towards the Ocean, It may experience some fear. But when it touches the Ocean, can it tell the story Of this meeting?"
"Something brought you here. Something inside is delighted to be reminded – you are nobody."
"Attempting to identify with the source is an idea. You are already that."
-Mooji
yes, i have let myself experience all of this
but I am convinced that unless you are in a "special place" as mooji would say or live like the Buddha for example prescribed
unless you set up your circumstances for a life that is conducive to such a view then your circumstances will demand more from you at least in terms of your thinking.
one can be this without thinking about it of course
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Re: Anyone on my level? [Re: Kickle]
#23703192 - 10/03/16 11:07 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Kickle, no matter where we go, there we are. All movement seems to take place in mind, and all movement is witnessed by something without quality or movement. That witness is unborn and without location it seems.
If you can't be who you really are, right where you are right now, than you're still identified with a fictional identity, no?
The 'doer' of all the things you've ever done was seen, so you can't even be the one who does things, so doing more things is just escapism. Gaining more knowledge is just procrastination. Thinking that it's somewhere in the future, or that you're getting closer is just a dream.
Maybe it could be so simple? So simple that most will never even look.
Someone once said: "What you are looking for, is where you are looking from."
There is no way. A "way" is movement of the mind, moving in consciousness. Like a wave rising on the surface of the ocean says "I am a wave". Like the screen a movie projects onto, remains a screen during and after the movie, unaffected by the happenings on the screen. Even death, even seeking, even sadness.
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Re: Anyone on my level? [Re: Tmethyl] 1
#23705562 - 10/04/16 12:41 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Tmethyl said: The level where you know there really are no levels, and levels along with all other psychological and conceptual phenomenon only exist in our brain organs, and that who we pretend to be cannot be what we are because we are seeing it. Our entire world is a projection of our inner states, and we, as "persons" don't have any sort of tangible existence; for example my name is Justin, but there is no Justin, there is this body and a psychological conditioning labeled Justin, and the witness of it.
And also to see the ego-filled paragraph above created by a fictional entity who has a desire to connect with someone who is perhaps experiencing the same thing, but all the while recognizing the utter meaninglessness of it, and the weakness of seeking acceptance and confirmation while remaining a "person" which is actually the thing I should be avoiding, not strengthening with further attachment. The operation of consciousness has created the ‘apparition’ called ‘me’.
If I was to say the truest thing I know, I will say that I am a ghost.
But was it supposed to be like this? Are you meant to identify with the instrument and pretend to be it?
"When the various rivers flow into the great Ocean They lose their individual names and become Ocean only. When the raindrop is falling towards the Ocean, It may experience some fear. But when it touches the Ocean, can it tell the story
Of this meeting?"
"Something brought you here. Something inside is delighted to be reminded – you are nobody."
"Attempting to identify with the source is an idea. You are already that."
-Mooji
Yes but it is a secret Dr Jekel
Sorry too cryptic anyway yes i am and have . Your first sentence is true there are no levels.
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The level system is scaling and referential
Those who take arms are at the disadvantage because they strive for victory while the defender can accept attacks and riposte
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Re: Anyone on my level? [Re: Tmethyl]
#23706110 - 10/04/16 09:18 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm with ya T. Everything beyond "it is" is created by us. And the closer we try to look, or judge and define, the more we mix it up and create "levels" and other funny human definitions.
Just watching, everything is so easy and obvious and perfect and one.
I guess it's kinda like seeing the big picture all at once, or trying to zoom in and identify all the particles or mini links in the infinite fractal, and define their role in the grand view.
The more answers I seek, the more fuss I create in my mind, and infinite questions can arise. Gotta reel myself in sometimes
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Universaleyeni said: The more answers I seek, the more fuss I create in my mind, and infinite questions can arise. Gotta reel myself in sometimes 

Yes, because seeking implies you're not already that. The one who seeks is seen. The one who is seeking is keeping you from being true. All fuss of the mind is witnessed by you. Whatever you can see, cannot be you. Like a knife that can cut so many things, but cannot cut itself.
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Re: Anyone on my level? [Re: Tmethyl]
#23723035 - 10/09/16 05:56 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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My ego is attached to my body. My body can be imprisoned and scarred and has been such.
There are levels of intoxication. There are levels of poor health. There are levels of wealth.
I wish there were measurements of success in spiritual life. For that I'm going to have to die to know or just not exist.
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Re: Anyone on my level? [Re: Morel Guy]
#23726562 - 10/10/16 08:36 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think there might be an essential chaos to your posting about levels in general..can you think it possible to sort all of the levels in your life..in a way that is satisfactory to you alone..? Because if you do you will likely find Highest level in and of itself..
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I don't think there are levels but perhaps depth. There is no level up. Sure life can give you a boost or knock ya right back down. But there is no levels of personal development. That's for a doctor that wants to be famous, rich and author some sort of loony toons program for personal development.
Level requires quantity in how I understand. There could be levels to biology but it's going to be man made lines in quantity. There is no upper level of heaven or lower realm of hell. There is depth to personal inquiry.
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#23730002 - 10/12/16 12:03 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think it is of the essence to simply be 'on the level' with everyone, which is to say be honest. Being honest is being ethical, being ethical is being virtuous, being virtuous is being compassionate, being compassionate is manifesting wisdom, and lo - we're all sitting atop virtual mountain peaks.
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I question your level. I question weather or not you DID infact question your level. I Question The level that is you, Not pertaining to, you. I question ur ability to know your level. I question if you even have a level. I question your Answer already.
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Re: Anyone on my level? [Re: littleton]
#23734384 - 10/13/16 02:49 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I question whether you know how to address the correct intended recipient of your posts.
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LoL, Levels are Grades or Gradients...which can indeed reflect the Jachin and Boaz..or otherwise the walk away hall way aspect of forgiveness...and the deep impressing code of Binah..or otherwise darkness...which is a sublime sheet of paper..or otherwise fabric of existence...so the brow goes to the darkness..which can encode anything..and that's a pin..or needle point..which represents precision..so the idea of levels..is to be precise...but the idea of no levels at all..is indeed either a noble order...or a benefacting chaos...or even mortal sin...as pure nihilism..but a stage in learning and understanding is indeed a stage in learning and understanding.. I Believe Markos has it right when he asks what your true perception of your level is...
Do you think you can get higher than this level you speak of..or do i dare say..
Do you think you can get any lower?
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BrendanFlock said: LoL, Levels are Grades or Gradients...which can indeed reflect the Jachin and Boaz..or otherwise the walk away hall way aspect of forgiveness...and the deep impressing code of Binah..or otherwise darkness...which is a sublime sheet of paper..or otherwise fabric of existence...so the brow goes to the darkness..which can encode anything..and that's a pin..or needle point..which represents precision..so the idea of levels..is to be precise...but the idea of no levels at all..is indeed either a noble order...or a benefacting chaos...or even mortal sin...as pure nihilism..but a stage in learning and understanding is indeed a stage in learning and understanding.. I Believe Markos has it right when he asks what your true perception of your level is...
Do you think you can get higher than this level you speak of..or do i dare say..
Do you think you can get any lower?
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Re: Anyone on my level? [Re: Tmethyl]
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Tmethyl said: The level where you know there really are no levels, and levels along with all other psychological and conceptual phenomenon only exist in our brain organs, and that who we pretend to be cannot be what we are because we are seeing it. Our entire world is a projection of our inner states, and we, as "persons" don't have any sort of tangible existence; for example my name is Justin, but there is no Justin, there is this body and a psychological conditioning labeled Justin, and the witness of it.
And also to see the ego-filled paragraph above created by a fictional entity who has a desire to connect with someone who is perhaps experiencing the same thing, but all the while recognizing the utter meaninglessness of it, and the weakness of seeking acceptance and confirmation while remaining a "person" which is actually the thing I should be avoiding, not strengthening with further attachment. The operation of consciousness has created the ‘apparition’ called ‘me’.
If I was to say the truest thing I know, I will say that I am a ghost.
But was it supposed to be like this? Are you meant to identify with the instrument and pretend to be it?
"When the various rivers flow into the great Ocean They lose their individual names and become Ocean only. When the raindrop is falling towards the Ocean, It may experience some fear. But when it touches the Ocean, can it tell the story Of this meeting?"
"Something brought you here. Something inside is delighted to be reminded – you are nobody."
"Attempting to identify with the source is an idea. You are already that."
-Mooji
Great post and your replies made perfect sense to me too.
I consider myself split. I'm both the avatar and the higher self observing the avatar. Admittedly the avatar can be more domininant and vice versa.
Knowing that we are one with everyone else, I can sometimes pick out advice we're about to give, yet withdraw it, realizing it's actually for the (local) self.
I've realised my life has whittled down to four particular people who represent myself in high concentration.
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Re: Anyone on my level? [Re: Tmethyl]
#23745534 - 10/17/16 12:56 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Nope, ive gone way beyond just brain levels, body > mind > spirit > infinity
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nice1returns said: Nope, ive gone way beyond just brain levels, body > mind > spirit > infinity
If those are stated in respective order, you consider spirit to come before infinity?
...and nothing after infinity, or at least, nothing yet found?
I associate infinity with the material and thoughts pertaining to it and spirit the liberated form, free from the infinite paradoxes.
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Re: Anyone on my level? [Re: Tmethyl]
#23771921 - 10/25/16 11:38 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Tmethyl, No matter who disagrees with your level, just a friendly reminder, 'you' are loved. I've been into everything you've been putting out 'there', and I must say We "vibrate on the same frequency" Lmao.. In my 22 years of this thing we call fucking "egg sist ants", I've experiened the dark rainbow. No sense in finger pointing at the buffet menu, but I know if we met in this life, I would probably just pause and look into your eyes as if my brain melted into a salt shaker. From that point, I would just keep staring at 'you' AND THEN finally give you a hug, and tug. Nvm, just a hug. o.O
Anatta is interesting; no-self. It's interesting because it implies a borderline theoretical and experiential oneness. Zen is cool too. Life is perfect. It starts with the right attitude, but we all have such a pulsating shadow, and with that shadow that can get bigger and bigger and bigger, we feel there's a great purpose to live out. That purpose is you where you are. Or you where you will be in 5 minutes, which is where you are now, still.
What a game. All the games there are. The games that are to come. The game that there are no more games to come. Be that as it may, here's a grounding exercise everyone in this thread can do... Think for a second about the totality of your "individual selfs" life. Now, see that if many other people in this formless form life were to live out the life you've been 'living', they would have never chosen this choose your own adventure - childrens book, the way you have. In truth, there's a good chance the many manifestations of attitudes would have given up if they were 'you'. They are them, and so it must be. 
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Re: Anyone on my level? [Re: pur3bind]
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Wow.
Anyway,
there is only one state and it is limitless. Drop culture and get with the program.
If you're having trouble understanding life, or Turiya or enlightenment or the joke or whatever . . .
Just chill out man. It's not attainable, and it is not temporal, so that when "tuned to", God is just God, it is who and where you have always been, everything else is a cognition. The brain/body is imaginary, so its cognitions too.
Turn on! Tune in! Break out! This is a game!
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Levels can be made of light..you will know when you are on level..because you have a sense of peace..which is a commodity of being on level..
So the amount of peace you have in percentage..is how on level you are..
one day we will likely all have 100% peace...we have single segments on drugs or in dreams..or maybe doing zen mediation..but the idea that we will have peace forever..is the promise of all Great religions..and as a subjective personality i believe in this full hearted..so we can all work together as a Massive messiah to heal and will the population to good..and then known and contained evil..in small segments only..so we can get over the bondage factor of being in existence!
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Hmm I have an interesting question..
Is there a time when light can be said to be NOT on level?
Seems like any type of force or the ray of light will always travel straight basically..and straight is obviously level..in and of itself..
even if we reflect it..or refract it..it is still in a constant ray formation..
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Certainly a level can be called true..to do say 1676mg of DXM..is a very formidable formula for argument in the case of the necessity to get high..which is very obtruse..and exacting..very simply..people want to get the dose that is right for them..and that means having a great high..where you can sit back and relax and enjoy the action..
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So like your level is based on a dose..of chemicals..which make you feel a certain way..like the interaction of the vegetable and mineral Kingdoms!! Which is where basic Neuro-Transmitters originate..and then the chemical bond happens..and then somehow you feel it in your body brain complex..to fire a neuron..which is a type of energy defined by electromagnetic signals...that fire..in a congruant order..which is what axons and axel's are for in general..
So your level is totally made up of your Brains particular chemistry..and order and make up..so you can say that someone is on your level..only if they have the exact chemical balance as you..
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To know that the higher density levels will take more of a hold on you..and then in psychotherapy you can then begin to associate with the more peaceful symbols and levels of information..until you get on a perfect, or better level in general..
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Binah as level in general..goes perfect with the flow of Chochmah..which is the individual thing..and then binah..which is the seperation of things..and then to chesed..which is the form of the thing..and then to its energy max and mins./.which are Gevurah..and then it goes to the balancing act of tiferet..which shows curves and proportions which make and symbalize beauty..
Then we go over to Netzach which is about he length and measurment of things..
Then over to Hod..which is the capitulated energy of the progress and derivatives of symbols and words..as a message in general which can lead to revelations..
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Receiving the pin of God..is to know that the perfect weight and sort of your thoughts..is matching the minute and small black hole../ Spec, or point..and that therefore..you are only hindered by the most benevolent being in existence..and therefore you can not help but notice..that it would be impossible to do any more than this..without falling into sin..and thus we have Arich Anpin..which is about the sort of things..and the level..so in radical Hebrew Astrology..we can map the effects of anything on to anything..which is a correct form of topology..and therefore we can understand that the whole universe..and existence is a type of Hologram!! Which has all active parts in every part..and sits at a varied level..with a ratio of complete perfect in relating to all governed and un governed bodies in existence and universe!!
So the sort goes like this..: First I have a Rainbow...and then a Sun Disk..and then a Moon Disk..and then a Floppy Disk..and from this is the necessity of the Matrix..which is Green and Like..which is the Exhaust of Carbon Monoxide..and the conditions of Green Nuclear technology..or forces..which is radiation in general..and can map the Green Spectrum thus..so we have an equality with the matrix..as a whole and unified spectrum..indeed is the religion true..in depth and as discovery..which is to say..discoverer..and the feeble attempts of a populace to rule itself..outside of itself..but never from within(which is what level means anyways).. So is religion true..i false mechanisms..only to be the Devils advocate..which is about justice anyways..and that is why Justice is so favoured so highly ion my Kabbalah??!
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I think I just became an atheist, no shit.
I am not being sarcastic.
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Re: Anyone on my level? [Re: Lucis]
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Can you explain why?
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I honestly don't know where to begin, I mean I could type a lot about this, this feeling didn't just sneak up on me.
It's an overwhelming feeling though, and I have tried to run from it for a while, tried to bounce around from one belief to another hoping the hole in my being would be filled, but it never was, all just felt like deception.
It feels pure to have a love like I feel, without something attached to it, and that is the feeling I was looking for all along, it was already within me, it just had to come alive, I just had to remember.
It's not some egotistical, selfish feeling, it's a genuine compassion and love for life, not just my own life, but the lives of all things too. I think when people begin to feel this feeling, they think it's God, and then find a system to follow, which doesn't allow that love to mature properly within that person because they don't recognize that love as something greater happening to the individual, they think it's God, which it isn't, they get caught up in the religion then, which cuts this feeling off at the neck, and it stays in an infantile state of being.
I am no sage, so this could probably be shot full of holes from some of you more educated people.
But the peace I feel is genuine, that's how I know this is the truth for myself.
I encourage anyone to do what makes you happy, and I don't view those that do follow a religion as stupid or less than in anyway.
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Re: Anyone on my level? [Re: Lucis]
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In believe in the Universe and that it very may well be conscious and infinite. To hold on to one image is corrupt in my opinion. A single image of divinity closes the mind so the mind cannot be divine.
Being intelligent is the ability to handle and get around new situations. Authorities create images so,they don't have to be intelligent. Can't see reality when old images blind the present view.
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Re: Anyone on my level? [Re: Lucis]
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Fennario said: I honestly don't know where to begin, I mean I could type a lot about this, this feeling didn't just sneak up on me.
It's an overwhelming feeling though, and I have tried to run from it for a while, tried to bounce around from one belief to another hoping the hole in my being would be filled, but it never was, all just felt like deception.
It feels pure to have a love like I feel, without something attached to it, and that is the feeling I was looking for all along, it was already within me, it just had to come alive, I just had to remember.
It's not some egotistical, selfish feeling, it's a genuine compassion and love for life, not just my own life, but the lives of all things too. I think when people begin to feel this feeling, they think it's God, and then find a system to follow, which doesn't allow that love to mature properly within that person because they don't recognize that love as something greater happening to the individual, they think it's God, which it isn't, they get caught up in the religion then, which cuts this feeling off at the neck, and it stays in an infantile state of being.
I am no sage, so this could probably be shot full of holes from some of you more educated people.
But the peace I feel is genuine, that's how I know this is the truth for myself.
I encourage anyone to do what makes you happy, and I don't view those that do follow a religion as stupid or less than in anyway.
If that's what you mean by atheist then I am atheist too. But I know that I am the Divinity, I am God, though I never proclaim it, just use it as a description. Yes, it is all inside you, you are merely pretending you are not That.
Pretending...
And you know you are pretending...
To tell yourself that you are pretending in order to 'awaken' is part of the pretending.
You've known all along, and will always know, will always be at play, but at the same time, there is no game. There is just That.
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It's because worshippers rely on the separation. Otherwise there would be only experience to praise.
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I am sorry man, but you are spreading absolute spiritual poison. What you are experiencing is total isolation and inconsideration and denial of life outside of yourself. In no way are you anything close to god. I encourage you to interact with other people, and you will realize in what a vulnerable position you place yourself in once the tables turn on you and you realize we are in fact separate beings on the same plane of existence. It is a total denial of objective reality.
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Re: Anyone on my level? [Re: remake]
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Maya Yoga is the title of Keith Dowman’s translation of Finding Comfort and Ease in Enchantment composed by the inimitable Longchen Rabjampa.
In the Nyingma School of Tibetan Buddhism this text is considered second to none in its power to evoke the nature of the nondual reality of the Dzogchen view. With poetic mastery Longchenpa provides the precepts that can instantly illuminate the buddha-reality that is our ordinary everyday experience. He asserts that we are presently under the spell of magical illusion and that by recognizing it, we are instantaneously released from a conceptual cage into an enchanting reality which is pure pleasure itself. That reality is maya, apparent yet absent, and the recognition of it in the state of natural relaxation is maya yoga. In this renowned atiyoga manual, we find the key to the natural mystical state that Dzogchen, the Great Perfection, constantly evokes.
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You do not see how that state of pleasure, again, pertains only to the one who is under the experience? You do not see how you come back and interact on an internet forum? I mean no offence by this. It is likely to be called enlightenment. But most people are under the same illusion that their viewpoint, from their eyes, is the only form of reality, and the only one to be changed or improved. You are not creating what you are seeing. We perceive with our minds, not with our eyes.
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Re: Anyone on my level? [Re: remake]
#23783083 - 10/29/16 04:08 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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this is the shroomery. haha. talking about how enlightened you are is like being in the locker room of a high school gym and talking about how many women you have slept with.
I like seeing everyone's opinion. I am not enlightened at all. Just a dude who likes to check out this particular forum. Have had mystifying times in life and life itself is a mystery to me and I love it like that.
thanks for your view point.
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I don't think I'm more enlightened than you...I'm with you with the beginner's mind thing. Just seems to be a complete denial of the physical. But yeah, wasn't trying to infringe on you personally...
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Re: Anyone on my level? [Re: remake]
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yeah the distinction and disregard of the physical is lame. biology major and come from a family of medical practitioners so i was instilled with a love for the natural world since i can remember and am glad for it. sometimes i enojoi the view that there is a single organism thats huge is physical but because of its complexity an emergent property like mind or consciousness is born, or vice a versa Or even some Inbetween type of them or something else all together most likely. fun view. but just a view imho.
Still, whenever I feel like Im on some special level I just sit on the toilet and go - take this!
Humbles me real fast..thinking im Mr. spiritual figured it all out guy - then having to take this organism to the toilet to release my bowels. hahaha so humbling I smile . Still this thread is transparent- its mental masturbation. Please clean yourself off when your don proclaiming your godliness guys.
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I was referring to the current state of our reality being an actuality, not something transferable. And by which views such as oneness or being god are oftenly misinterpreted. And actually causes a greater separation. But okay...each to their own...I think we're all just human beings. I experimented with the idea of being god and got hurt really bad because I was very gentle and naive and shit and gave my love away easily. So, was also just thinking about that. Because although most of us here have good intentions there are some people out there who don't care as much about your feelings. People who love unconditionally are miracles in of themselves. But life is an adventure, and meaningful, I think the goal of becoming GOD is quite restrictive, instead of following your own path and helping others along the way who are in need. And I do believe in 'It', or the source and how that integrates with play.
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If there is a God I swear there is a lot of different forms of consciousness that it takes. Surely all the forms and sometimes something new can be a Godlike production.
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FranniePilgrim said: I am sorry man, but you are spreading absolute spiritual poison. What you are experiencing is total isolation and inconsideration and denial of life outside of yourself. In no way are you anything close to god. I encourage you to interact with other people, and you will realize in what a vulnerable position you place yourself in once the tables turn on you and you realize we are in fact separate beings on the same plane of existence. It is a total denial of objective reality.
So, I guess, it's a matter of whether or not you think it matters.
I think it can matter if you want it to.
It also does not matter if you choose so.
What you are is without conditions, all this is without conditions.
The Self, God, not even 'is', because that implies limitations.
I understand your perspective, a little...
What is fear?
Fear is simply ignorance of the Self. You are not the body, you are the Self.
If you understand the nature of Yourself, and the nature of all this, you realise it's all already a done deal - you win, you're safe, birth and death have come and gone already, you encapsulate them.
But I do not preach apathy, I push deeper and deeper into the mystery each day.
The mystery being, what there is.
What there is, I guess, is what is perceived - is what I'm referring to.
It is a mystery that this appears before us though to whom?
I investigate...
There is no objective reality, that is certain. Rip me to pieces, it is only imagination.
You don't exist to have a choice as to whether or not you are the Self, your existence would be a condition upon Yourself.
Try to understand...
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beforethedawn said: There is no objective reality, that is certain. Rip me to pieces, it is only imagination.
I would amend that to say that yes there is an objective reality, but at bottom it is equivalent to subjective reality. The two are one.
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I see it as enlightened or not enlightened are 2 masks worn by the same universal face. The subject to which all the world is object. That non-person witness that your person plays within.
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I understand what you mean. The problem comes in where you have to realize you are not the centre of the universe. You are restricting yourself. The holographic principle rings true perhaps for each of ourselves, but the way in which you are applying it goes nowhere slowly. I promise if you are investigating every single particle as you see it, and interpret every event it will bring you no closer to who you really are, or are becoming. It lies in action. Physically moving yourself and your body through the web of existence.
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All action and all objects(physical & mental) happen in an awareness that is beyond all space and time, and is even more subtle than empty space itself, since empty space itself is observed. Even the idea of who you think you are(ego) arises in empty awareness, seemingly implying that who you think you are does not even exist in any tangible way, much like a ghost.
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FranniePilgrim said: Physically moving yourself and your body through the web of existence.
I respectfully couldn't disagree more, all action and happening can go on forever and will only get you to physical or mental places. But right here right now, you are already beyond physical and mental, you're just not still enough to realize it.
So, I don't think you need to go anywhere or do anything. Just be here right now. The idea that some sort of awakening or salvation lay in the future, is just that, an idea. A thought. Nothing. Seeking the tallest wave when you are the ocean. Chasing clouds when you are the sky itself. 
The best game of hide and seek ever.
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Oh well...don't think there's a rule book to the here and now. But yeah, well, I'm enjoying myself. Each to their own, like I said I guess.
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Re: Anyone on my level? [Re: remake]
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The Blind Ass said: this is the shroomery. haha. talking about how enlightened you are is like being in the locker room of a high school gym and talking about how many women you have slept with.
I wouldn't trust anyone that said they were enlightened, because if such a thing exists, then I don't think people realize they're so. I think others might view them as being enlightened because their actions show it, but the person who strives for such a thing, is always working towards it, never thinking they have obtained it.
I believe that people that say they are enlightened, are deceived by their ego, and some of these people go on to form cults, or other systems of control used to have others follow them and do their bidding. This is why we must watch out if we learn an important life lesson, because if we try to force our understanding of something onto others, then we're debasing what we have learned, and turning into little dictators of matters of the spiritual.
Each person must walk their own path though.
Life is to beautiful to argue about whose path is right, and whose is wrong, I want to hear about all of the paths, and learn from all of your experiences, and maybe you can learn from my experiences, the point here is that we're always reveling in creation, in understanding, and love, and learning from each other with open hearts and open minds.
I love you all.
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Re: Anyone on my level? [Re: Lucis]
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Re: Anyone on my level? [Re: Tmethyl]
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Tmethyl said: Kickle, no matter where we go, there we are. All movement seems to take place in mind, and all movement is witnessed by something without quality or movement. That witness is unborn and without location it seems.
If you can't be who you really are, right where you are right now, than you're still identified with a fictional identity, no?
The 'doer' of all the things you've ever done was seen, so you can't even be the one who does things, so doing more things is just escapism. Gaining more knowledge is just procrastination. Thinking that it's somewhere in the future, or that you're getting closer is just a dream.
Maybe it could be so simple? So simple that most will never even look.
Someone once said: "What you are looking for, is where you are looking from."
There is no way. A "way" is movement of the mind, moving in consciousness. Like a wave rising on the surface of the ocean says "I am a wave". Like the screen a movie projects onto, remains a screen during and after the movie, unaffected by the happenings on the screen. Even death, even seeking, even sadness.

I agree with much of what you say. One exception:
"If you can't be who you really are, right where you are right now, than you're still identified with a fictional identity, no?"
What fictional identity? Identifying with anything is one's true self in the sense that it is what is. Even if that's not what one wants to be.
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Kickle said: What fictional identity? Identifying with anything is one's true self in the sense that it is what is. Even if that's not what one wants to be.
The one who "wants" to be anything whatsoever is fiction itself. Your self does not want, it only witnesses. It even witnesses perception itself, thus it cannot even be perceived, much like a knife can cut so many things, but it could never cut itself; it is one.
In a sense, of course all of this is yourself, even the idea that it's fictional or true, all yourself. You make the entire play possible, not "you" the person of course, "you" the one who watches your person and all it's drama. 
All movement is seen, thus no movement can be you. You are still.
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Again, I agree but think you may be missing the jist of what I'm thrusting at.
Witnessing some things is quite a bit different than witnessing other things. If one cannot put themselves in another's shoes they may not understand this. And they may seriously lack compassion as well as wisdom.
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Re: Anyone on my level? [Re: Kickle]
#23792399 - 11/01/16 06:24 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Kickle said: Witnessing some things is quite a bit different than witnessing other things.
How so? All witnessing is the witnessing of phenomenon. All phenomenon is movement, perceived.
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Re: Anyone on my level? [Re: Tmethyl]
#23792402 - 11/01/16 06:25 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Then you must see no reason for compassion. That's OK but certainly not my approach. Best of luck with that.
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Re: Anyone on my level? [Re: Kickle]
#23792422 - 11/01/16 06:31 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Freedom is not inert, it's not freedom "except" anything. I have felt what you mean, it's some sort of excuse of the ego to keep holding on. "if awakening is not how I like it, then I won't do it." But it's not something you do, and you don't become a robot.  In fact, you can still do every single thing you do now.
Love and compassion is your nature. If you let the ego die you will only feel patient compassion and universal love for everyone.
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Re: Anyone on my level? [Re: Tmethyl]
#23792430 - 11/01/16 06:33 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Alan Watts said it best:
"I am always sincere, but never serious."
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Re: Anyone on my level? [Re: Tmethyl]
#23792446 - 11/01/16 06:38 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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 great response
I'm not sure how you get there without seeing a difference, but that's fantastic. I very clearly see differences in people. And I feel compassion towards some and not towards others as a result. It's interconnected as can be and nothing "I" am in control of. But it is perceived
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Re: Anyone on my level? [Re: Kickle] 1
#23792468 - 11/01/16 06:44 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Kickle said: I'm not sure how you get there without seeing a difference.
You will never "get" there you are already there. The idea that it's somewhere else or you'll have to work to reach it, is a very clever trap or obstacle. You don't see a difference, you are the seeing itself. 
Nothing lay in your way except your ideas. Ideas are seen, ego is seen, you are not seen.
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Re: Anyone on my level? [Re: Tmethyl]
#23792482 - 11/01/16 06:48 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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not what I meant but ok  it's good you can point anything that way
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Re: Anyone on my level? [Re: Kickle]
#23793233 - 11/01/16 10:09 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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"God is not playing with you, God is playing as you." -Mooji
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beforethedawn said: There is no objective reality, that is certain. Rip me to pieces, it is only imagination.
I would amend that to say that yes there is an objective reality, but at bottom it is equivalent to subjective reality. The two are one.
I reckon this is a really important point that is usually overlooked. When it comes down to it it's almost like your choice of mask to wear.
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Re: Anyone on my level? [Re: viktor]
#23793958 - 11/02/16 08:34 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Good point.
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Re: Anyone on my level? [Re: Tmethyl]
#23799229 - 11/03/16 09:57 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Tmethyl said: "God is not playing with you, God is playing as you." -Mooji
I call myself "gods lucid dream" just because of one time when I was mixing up some coir in waking reality and I got that same feeling you get when you become lucid in a dream. That has only happened to me once in my lifetime, but man oh man was it a powerful feeling.
I feel like each and every person on this planet is important, but the only way to truly find your importance is to look within to find that rising god which wants to speak through you. You might say god, well, I say GODS.
The truth is that each and everyone on this planet is connected to a rising god, but that does not make you god. What this makes you is an attachment of god with your own identity as that rising god.
If you look within and all you see is an unidentifiable piece of god within, then you have missed the point of being a beautiful piece of the creation which is you. If you cannot see that that thing within you is more than just a drop within the ocean, then you have missed the point.
I identify myself as Rhizo, for that is where my root is, but my name is David because that was my birth name. In essence, I am The Root of David, but the actual truth I have is going to be hard for many to believe.
I bet that if you are of something great, you yourself will find it in time, but until then, it is important to discover more and more truth around you and do your best to assimilate it to your own path.
Just my thoughts
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I think it's so simple that you can go your whole life, or many lives, without ever bringing it into direct experience. Whatever you see, you cannot be.
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Re: Anyone on my level? [Re: Tmethyl]
#23799335 - 11/03/16 10:35 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Tmethyl said: I think it's so simple that you can go your whole life, or many lives, without ever bringing it into direct experience. Whatever you see, you cannot be.
Well, I see so many things that I can only put it into perspective that others around me might be able to understand. My truth is pretty deep, but I am sure you have a lot of your own truth as well. It is difficult when you see the world around you in a certain way, but understand it to be different by each and every person perceiving it.
I try and try, but that doesn't matter, because all in all I love every second of what I write. It's all about enjoyment man, that's why I write.
What I have found within has taken work, but at this point it is all just fun and throwing around a lot of information which may or may not speak to you.
I could care less if what I see I cannot be, for I know that what I sense all around has to be true. If I relied on one thing it would be delusion, but when all forms of sense align to portray one thing which you originally saw, then it must be true, right?
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your all just plain old men, just like your neighbors. stop taking drugs ya damn kids! scrambling your brain like eggs! Its not your level kiddo. Its not yours.
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Re: Anyone on my level? [Re: Tmethyl]
#23801571 - 11/04/16 07:05 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Anyone on my level? [Re: Tmethyl] 1
#23803400 - 11/05/16 01:20 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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To some degree I am. I'm aware our interpretation we all learn as children is vastly incorrect, But that's as far as it goes with me. I can abstract it all out somewhat like you did here, and you did a fine job! But I don't have much of an alternative way of thinking. So I just fall back to living as if the illusion is itself reality. It's safe to assume we perceive some patterns that exist in reality, and what we call our brains weave together a crude cartoon that is all we know. So it feels "real" and feels like our experiences are something like what things are really like out there, in our environment. But I know it's a cartoon. And people who are experts in physics don't have much of an inspiring alternative explanation of reality upon which to construct a better worldview. The best I can do is learn science, such as physiology, and it feels so abstract and piecemeal.
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RedNucleus said: To some degree I am. I'm aware our interpretation we all learn as children is vastly incorrect, But that's as far as it goes with me. I can abstract it all out somewhat like you did here, and you did a fine job! But I don't have much of an alternative way of thinking. So I just fall back to living as if the illusion is itself reality. It's safe to assume we perceive some patterns that exist in reality, and what we call our brains weave together a crude cartoon that is all we know. So it feels "real" and feels like our experiences are something like what things are really like out there, in our environment. But I know it's a cartoon. And people who are experts in physics don't have much of an inspiring alternative explanation of reality upon which to construct a better worldview. The best I can do is learn science, such as physiology, and it feels so abstract and piecemeal.
Incredibly stated. For a long time I swung between the states of just believing it was all real, randomly spiced with intense moments that it's all an illusion. I would say that my current state is permanent(a stateless-state wherein all states arrive and depart), in that this entire life and the personal identity are in fact false; but beautifully so, nothing is wrong, this is the movie of consciousness. You play a character for a short duration, life goes on it's own, it doesn't need help.
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Re: Anyone on my level? [Re: Tmethyl]
#23804157 - 11/05/16 05:57 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Anyone on my level? [Re: Tmethyl]
#23804384 - 11/05/16 06:54 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Everything must be an illusion because I highly doubt anything is permanent. We just worship reality because things will last longer than us. The sun was here before I and there are many stars that will outlast us. We only hope to imagine what exists and can understand from one plain of existence to the next. Even if understanding radically changes.
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Re: Anyone on my level? [Re: Morel Guy]
#23806474 - 11/06/16 12:46 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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You're a part of the infinite. Once you figure that out. You will know you do exist.
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