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Re: Seriously questioning my religious views [Re: Aiko Aiko]
#23670052 - 09/23/16 04:42 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Aiko Aiko said: Why is it absurd when talking about God? Are you a materialist?
what do you mean by the terms you use, by 'God', and 'materialism'?
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Re: Seriously questioning my religious views [Re: RJ Tubs 202] 1
#23670067 - 09/23/16 04:53 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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RJ Tubs 202 said: So many of the story themes in the Bible reflect the signs of the Zodiac.
Fish (Pisces), water/baptism (Aquarius), virgin (Virgo), and so on . . .
EXACTLY!!! So why cannot that be understood logically then?
Why then do people try and actually literally believe the stories that have been embellished from astronomical and astrological interpretations and made into mythology?
AND also at a shroomery forum--all about magic mushrooms-- be ignore-ant about the ancient interpretation of psychoactive mushrooms and how they fit into theor solar mythological interpretations of the sun, planets and star systems? For example psychoactive fungi personified as 'Christ descending and becoming flesh', etc.
They have the internet now. The swiftest huge global info source. There is no excuse not to be onto this.
But no they would sooner invest all their trust in some old Book from the past and read it literally...?
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Re: Seriously questioning my religious views [Re: zzripz]
#23670373 - 09/23/16 08:28 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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God = Omnipotent, Omniscient, Omnipresent, eternal spiritual being.
Materialist = Believing that all there is is the material world. Denying a supernatural, or spiritual reality.
Genesis 1:14
14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years...
The English word here for seasons is actually translated from the Hebrew word moedim. It means Gods appointed times. There are prophecies that are described in the constellations like the one I posted. You can use sw like stellarium and actually see some of the celestial events as recorded in the bible like what the Magi saw at Christs conception and birth. Bethlehem Star
The Babylonians and Assyrians corrupted the interpretation of Yah's beautiful creation in the stars. Astrology makes the stars about fortune telling and "me." When their original purpose was for the Creator of the Universe to communicate important "seasons" and events for His glory, not ours.
How can you look at the Revelation 12 sign which was written in AD 95 and say it is anything other than divine order? Here it is again...
"Now a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a garland of twelve stars. Then being with child, she cried out in labor and in pain to give birth..."
Now look at the actual alignment happening next year. Every single aspect of that vision is occurring as written 1900+ years ago. This alignment has never been seen for at least 7000 years! it was not present at the time when Revelation was written. Is this some gigantic coincidence? The real kicker for me is the that Jupiter, which is the King planet (think King of Kings), also known as the planet of the Messiah by the Jews is in the "womb" of Virgo for the exact time of human gestation, 42 weeks via retrograde motion which is what the scripture describes. So yes, I take much of the bible literally as is apparent by what looked at first to be allegorical in this scripture coming into literal fulfillment. Basically it is a picture of true Israel; not the physical nation of, but of spiritual Israel, those who are in Christ, giving birth to the Messiah. Then the next verses show the war between Satan and Christ or the Church. Christ came the first time as the suffering servant. He is about to come again as the conquering Lion and King of Kings..There is much more to what is actually going on in this vision and chapter, but I'll save you the details.
You say that Christianity is based on astrology, I say that is wrong. I say those cultures stole and corrupted Gods Gospel in the heavens which was planned out from the beginning.
There isn't much time left, and remember, the gift of salvation is available to all, every single person on earth! All you have to do is receive this free gift of grace. This sign most likely represents the start of the Great Tribulation. Things are going to get really bumpy over the course of the next few years.
How rare is the Revelation 12 "Great Sign in the Heavens"?
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Re: Seriously questioning my religious views [Re: Aiko Aiko]
#23670569 - 09/23/16 09:57 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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...i have a feeling it would be a waste of my effort to try and get through to you.
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Re: Seriously questioning my religious views [Re: zzripz] 1
#23670605 - 09/23/16 10:11 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I will however speak to whoever is interested in what I have to say: it is not usually understood by theist or atheist alike that the mythos that has controlled us nearly globally for millennia is solar mythology, and this mythology suppressed and subverted lunar based mythos which was central to Goddess mythology
See, the luminary, the moon, symbolized the dynamic play of darkness and light, and how light is rather birthed from darkness rather than the other way round. IE you have the Dark Moon and then happens the slither of light of the New Moon which then waxes and then wanes and this cyclic process was the metaphor for nature, including our own natures
But when solar mythos is brought about and imposed on everyone, and the very star systems etc are interpreted in a solar-dominant way is when things become dualistic, because it can be seen that with the sun it is light which predominates. So you thus get the stories about how the 'good pure light/'God' will banish the 'bad impure darkness/'Satan/Devil'. There we have the duality of light and dark. And this myth goes deep into our psyche which is what is intended for it to do. The toxic mythmakers who pushed these concepts are a warrior mindset who are all about divide and control, because their very mode of operation is dualistic! Divide light from dark and have one the superior and the other inferior, etc etc etc
Of course there are different interpretations of the solar mythos also. On one side you have the 'God-ists' who believe in the 'all good pure light spirit/God' and on the other side the Luciferians/Satanists who believe the 'light' is Lucifer who came to help them--the ones who are initiated in this mythos--become 'gods'.
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Re: Seriously questioning my religious views [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
#23670672 - 09/23/16 10:39 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Cognitive_Shift said: I always see Christian people in the same boat as UFO believers, conspiracy theorists ect ect. as naive people who want to believe in something because they wish it were true and want it to be true so they can feel like they have a special relationship to the universe or 9/11 or UFO's.
I personally don't think that people who don't believe in anything, or the possibility of many things that can't yet be proven, simply because they don't know what to believe are much better.
My theory is: every religion is right and every religion is wrong. The more religions you study the more you notice reoccurring themes. The more you dig into these themes the bigger sense of legitimacy you get. Among these the most common theme and the most accepted is don't be a piece of shit lazy asshole.
I make it a point to poke holes into a religion, not to try to tear it down completely. I try to help people see where they are believing just to believe and where they are believing something legitimate and worth believing. The religion is not wrong. Parts of it perpetuated by those in power or those seeking power, or simply don't understand what they are dealing with, are what is wrong.
I believe in reincarnation because science teaches us that nothing is every really destroyed. NOTHING in our universe is ever destroyed. In which case I can believe that Jesus lived and died and was resurrected days later. Reincarnated days later. And will be here again. That is what the universe does. But that requires the belief of a soul. Also a universal theme in religion. I could go on and on about that one, but again, if nothing is ever destroyed why would we be? Who is to say that as we rot and our chemical make up breaks up between the earth and the worms that there is not a level in awareness in that?
Are you to say that alternate awareness is not the afterlife, underworld, nirvana, or heaven?
It's not a belief with backing in words. Its a belief backed by science and the reality of how the universe works (from what we currently understand) intense research and personal experience. Along with the general acceptance that we can't know everything and likely won't be able to prove everything. If you don't believe what you can reason out under terms of logic then you won't believe anything and I feel bad for you.
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Re: Seriously questioning my religious views [Re: viktor] 1
#23674095 - 09/24/16 02:00 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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MarkostheGnostic said: Seriously? There is no white race
That isn't something for a Jew to decide. If white people want to feel solidarity on the basis of our shared ethnicity that's got nothing to do with you at all.
WHAT "shared ethnicity?" What does that even mean? Northern European? That too is diverse. Ideology? Territoriality? Blue eyes vs. brown eyes? There is no Jewish race either. That's Nazi ideology, and a lie. I am of eastern European descent, Roumanian and probably German, light skinned, blonde and blue-eyed in appearance (though hair darkened with age). I have no Semitic heritage or genetics, but somewhere sometime someone converted to some form of Judaism. Keep your racist accusatory personalisms to yourself and mind whatever manners you can still feign viktor.
You do not belong on this forum with your foul bigotry. White is a meaningless term except for white supremacists, who are exactly the opposite of anything supreme except supreme ignorance and hate! The planet is moving from the extremes of Icelandic white and Aboriginal black to a universal tan, probably a good thing, the homogenization of the appearance of the Human race. Maybe you just have a blonde/blue-eyes or pale skin fetish.
Psychologically, feelings of superiority is obviously and transparently over-compensation for profound feelings of inferiority. Spiritual life is characterized by humility not hubris in every tradition and for equally obvious reasons (except to the hateful and spiritually bereft). Ego-inflation always results in a profound deflation, whether in an individual or a nation (like Nazi-Germany). The Myth of Icarus illustrated this centuries ago. Racists are epitomized by the half-toothless Klansman with a 4th grade education calling a Harvard-educated, one-time head of the Harvard Law Review, and Constitutional scholar a N****r! It's a damn good thing that "der führer" blew his twisted brains out before those German Jewish physicists Einstein and Oppenheimer could nuke all those hate-possessed German white beer-brewers and butchers back to the middle ages!
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Re: Seriously questioning my religious views [Re: akira_akuma]
#23675944 - 09/25/16 06:45 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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akira_akuma said: you're just making assumptions all based on the LIE that there are different races within the HUMAN RACE. RACE, simply another word for KIND, as in SUBGROUP.
but lets forget all that, and preach about solidarity...against...the Jew. 
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akira_akuma said: do you believe Jesus is as he's portrayed, or do you side with the Jewish Rabbi's and say Jesus isn't who he says he is?
You contradict yourself on the same page - what a maroon!
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MarkostheGnostic said: You do not belong on this forum with your foul bigotry. White is a meaningless term except for white supremacists, who are exactly the opposite of anything supreme except supreme ignorance and hate!rman white beer-brewers and butchers back to the middle ages! 
Stick your pomposity up your arse. You are the single worst racist on this forum. Always going on about "aryan arrogance" and making excuses for the disgusting culture of male infant genital mutilation and hatred of homosexuals, animals and women that your beloved Abraham brought the world.
I have said nothing bigoted other than that a Jew has no place deciding for other people who they may or may not feel solidarity with. And you don't. If I want to feel solidarity with other people on the basis of a shared ethnicity I will.
You have no right to lecture me on morality, you parasitic fraud.
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Re: Seriously questioning my religious views [Re: viktor]
#23676019 - 09/25/16 07:51 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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LOL, yeah, he's making excuses for them, he's practically endorsing those practices! so are tons and tons of Aryans!
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Re: Seriously questioning my religious views [Re: viktor]
#23677509 - 09/25/16 05:57 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Nasty, nasty viktor. "Stick and stones..." Name-calling is not any endorsement for ANY credibility on your part. You are projecting all manner of things onto someone you know nothing about, like my "beloved Abraham," "aryan ignorance" (I never wrote that, although in your case it may apply) and some archaic cultic prohibitions. Racist? I've got Germans and Nigerians in my family. Take your best shot. In Nigeria I often heard the expression, "Your head is not correct," and indeed that absolutely applies to you in this projection you have in your head, 'cause it doesn't apply to me. Parasite? Hmmm. No again. I'm more characterized by symbiotic relationships by those who actually know me. Fraud? Wrong again. You're batting zero vik. I do not deceive others or misinterpret myself. Morality? I'm confident that my moral development surpasses whatever puerile level you're stuck at. Your failed attempt to insult me speaks for itself morally in terms of vindictive verbal invectives. You should cease and desist while you only appear as a ranting adolescent instead of something less forgivable. Obviously I couldn't care less who you feel solidarity with. In fact, I think you might be Jewish yourself. Your words remind me of that Jewish Neo-Nazi Daniel Burroughs in the 60s - a self-loathing Jew who killed himself when he was outed by a journalist. Maybe you even belong to an Ultra-Orthodox Chabad or something. Yeah, that's the ticket.
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Re: Seriously questioning my religious views [Re: zzripz]
#23692814 - 09/30/16 01:08 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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zzripz said: . . . it is not usually understood by theist or atheist alike that the mythos that has controlled us nearly globally for millennia is solar mythology, and this mythology suppressed and subverted lunar based mythos which was central to Goddess mythology
Ask anyone why the birthday of the Son of God is celebrated on December 25th
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Re: Seriously questioning my religious views [Re: RJ Tubs 202] 1
#23692865 - 09/30/16 02:08 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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The sun reaches it's lowest point at the winter (December) solstice on about 21st December. At this time the Sun is at RA = 23.5 degrees. Northern hemisphere observers receive the minimum amount of sunlight at this time as the Sun is lowest in the sky at noon and is above the horizon for the shortest time.
In other words it's the celebration of the sun resurrecting from being at it's lowest point in the sky in the year. Supposedly, back in the day, people use to trip out because they worshiped the sun as their god that gives them crops and such.
Egyptians worshiped the sun god RA (right ascension)

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Re: Seriously questioning my religious views [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
#23693704 - 09/30/16 10:39 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Because the resurrection has been subverted.
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Re: Seriously questioning my religious views [Re: yeah] 1
#23693718 - 09/30/16 10:46 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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God forgive us, we knew not what we did.
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Re: Seriously questioning my religious views [Re: akira_akuma] 2
#23695265 - 09/30/16 08:11 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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If you've never seriously questioned your religious views then you're kinda just following the crowd in coming to terms with feeling anxious about dying.
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Re: Seriously questioning my religious views [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
#23695634 - 09/30/16 09:56 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Cognitive_Shift said: If you've never seriously questioned your religious views then you're kinda just following the crowd in coming to terms with feeling anxious about dying.
I agree, I don't understand how someone can say they're a follower of any belief, if they were raised in it, and didn't approach it of their own accord.
This seems hazardous.
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