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Re: Shitty dish job [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #23723520 - 10/09/16 08:23 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

True. I just put it down it ain't fancy


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Re: Shitty dish job [Re: Bodhi of Ankou] * 1
    #23723523 - 10/09/16 08:24 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I actually find that kind of prosaic shift to be endearing, although increasingly popular to the point of bordering on cliché since Bukwoski and co have been making it in the relative mainstream.


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Re: Shitty dish job [Re: Repertoire89]
    #23723556 - 10/09/16 08:33 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Bukowski is great

This is casual writing
With tangents and random discussion.

I expect most of y'all enjoy it but I ain't gonna lose sleep over a less than perfect entry. It's about restaurant work, it's purposefuly Blue.


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Re: Shitty dish job [Re: ModestMouse]
    #23723567 - 10/09/16 08:37 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Just bear in mind I didn't mean anything negative in that comment, just ruminating on the current trends of literature. On that note, people often try and avoid trends, being too cool for school and wanting to be original, but there's only so much you can do in that regard and it becomes a distraction.

Better imo to study whoever you enjoy, and write as you see fit without consideration

Anyways I've enjoyed your writing


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Re: Shitty dish job [Re: Repertoire89]
    #23723579 - 10/09/16 08:41 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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True. I just put it down it ain't fancy




Sometimes its good to have some genuine input from time to time, especially if its a craft you're trying to hone. Friends and family usually like you too much to give you the raw run down. Usually.


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Re: Shitty dish job [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #23723590 - 10/09/16 08:44 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

smoke weed


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Re: Shitty dish job [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #23723632 - 10/09/16 08:55 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

@Repertoire
:thumbup:
@Bodhi
I appreciate constructive feedback. There's a stylistic divergence between the original post and the recent one, it was intentional but may indeed read choppy to some - I like it :lol:



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Re: Shitty dish job [Re: Repertoire89]
    #23723643 - 10/09/16 08:59 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Like I said, you're shoveling shit jobs to these people and expecting them to enjoy it, they're content because they have to be, as this is all they can get their hands on.





Working in a high tech lab is a "shit job"? 

Some cultures promote the idea there are "shit jobs".    Others don't.

How do you define a "shit job"?        A job you don't want to do?

Some people look at employment as income - not a source of glory.


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Re: Shitty dish job [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #23723689 - 10/09/16 09:12 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Working in a high tech lab is a "shit job"? 

Some cultures promote the idea there are "shit jobs".    Others don't.

How do you define a "shit job"?        A job you don't want to do?

Some people look at employment as income - not a source of glory.




You say working in a "high tech lab" as though it were something to take pride in, then go on about how people don't work for glory (pride). Do you actually have a legitimate argument? Because the holes, contradictions and fallacies are piling up.

What is a shit job... something physically demanding, demeaning with low pay.

Working in excess heat when your coworkers are not, being soaking wet when your coworkers are not, digging around in a dirty sink with filthy dishes when your coworkers are relatively clean. I've worked in a dozen kitchens across 5 states, the dishwashers are almost always disrespected by a large portion of the crew, they're always given the worst tasks, work with double standards regarding time efficiency and get paid less.

I can go on.


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Re: Shitty dish job [Re: Repertoire89]
    #23723756 - 10/09/16 09:36 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

What you call a "shit job" others wouldn't.    What you call low pay might be acceptable to someone else.

Regarding "demeaning work", unless your job description includes sucking the boss's dick, that's a matter of taste.


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Re: Shitty dish job [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #23723787 - 10/09/16 09:48 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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What you call a "shit job" others wouldn't.    What you call low pay might be acceptable to someone else.

Regarding "demeaning work", unless your job description includes sucking the boss's dick, that's a matter of taste.




Its not a subjective matter within a culture, which is the whole point when we're talking about exceptions from different cultures.

Low pay is relative to the rest of your community, if you live in my town and you're making $8hr, you're making far far less than average. It might not matter to someone fresh off the boat, because they're an outsider taking advantage of our economy / prosperity, but it will matter for someone from here living check to check as a wage-slave.

Demeaning is not a matter of taste, it is a matter of how you are treated and viewed.

Again, when you're fresh off the boat you're an outsider, that kind of work is expected of you and you're not necessarily going to be looked at in an inclusive light regardless. If you're a 30 year old natural born American citizen working as a dishwasher, people will look down on you.

That aside, I've worked in a lot of kitchens across the country, looking down on the dishwashers is fairly universal in that experience.
Immigrants included.


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Re: Shitty dish job [Re: Repertoire89]
    #23768337 - 10/24/16 09:21 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Sundays are vaguely interesting albeit depressing events at the local watering hole. Some drunk vagrant wearing a dirty bills sweater is going for a forward pass on a disinterested waitress wearing a tube top and too much eyeliner.

His poor attempt at flirtation is swiftly intercepted by a bill for the half-dozen overpriced tequilas he's gulped down since noon. That'll sober him up. It's raining outside and half of the town decided they'd rather get drunk and watch large men tackle each other than do anything of significance. Walk-outs are common, as a customer who's team falls dramatically behind becomes enraged and decides they aren't going to order.

The cooks on line are in low morale, though mask it well. One in their order is being arrested for cocaine distribution, and the already-barebones roster ensures painful hours for everyone. What's perhaps most frightening is not the loss of the hustler, but the idea of the manager without coke.


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Re: Shitty dish job [Re: ModestMouse]
    #23768428 - 10/24/16 09:48 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Seems like everyone in the food industry does drugs.


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Re: Shitty dish job [Re: Lucis]
    #23768432 - 10/24/16 09:49 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Mostly alcoholics I think


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Re: Shitty dish job [Re: ModestMouse]
    #23768491 - 10/24/16 10:12 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Nah you can basically find anything in  restaurant. Generally young people. Worked at a place the line cooks would do lines of coke straight off the cutting board. :lol:


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