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Greenhouse (pic heavy!)
    #23695579 - 09/30/16 09:36 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I just a free greenhouse with a bunch of free gear. The greenhouse is dirty as hell. I Started washing after these photos. I will finish washing the outside and inside tomorrow. I am using a biodegradable car soap. The greenhouse is a solid fiber glass greenhouse specs I have a friend who is an journeyman electrician stopping by tomorrow to help advise me the best and safest way to wire the greenhouse while staying in the NEC.









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Re: Greenhouse (pic heavy!) [Re: vatman]
    #23695589 - 09/30/16 09:39 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

The heater unit is 220v and has no temp controller. From what I can find on it is a garage heater. My main concern of is getting water logged and shorting itself out and failing.

Winter plans
The greenhouse is going to have bales of straw on the outside for insulation.
Inside will have the heater running, 55 gallon drum painted black for a heat sink. The heater has me a little worried as stated above with being water logged. I will have a circuit protector to prevent shorts from starting a fire.

Summer plans

The swamp cooler can pose an issue with drying out the mushrooms. I plan on funneling the air into a 55 gallon drum that has a 3 prong mister the swamp cooler would be running a lot (maybe all the time)

I would also be setting up a hose line mister setup (without a pressure pump.)


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Re: Greenhouse (pic heavy!) [Re: vatman]
    #23696022 - 10/01/16 12:29 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Keep us updated!! That 55 gal drums space will be trumped by the square foot output if you can have some more bags or logs in the same space. Also realize bags and logs have not only there own thermal mass (heatsink) but there own thermal output.

If you want some simple barb foggers just order about a dozen of these, they are the same as i use but single head. You will also want the anti drip device that holds pressure in the line. Otherwise the system will drip dry after each cycle and take a while to purge when activated. And because of the dripping you will see a lot more calcium buildup on your heads.  ive only used the NPT foggers, but for whatever reason im only finding the 2 gph 4 head one available currently, i know making sure that NPT seal is airtight is super important for proper operation. I would be cautious with barb fittings as they tend to leak when punctured into a main drip pipe.

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Re: Greenhouse (pic heavy!) [Re: Gr0wer]
    #23696046 - 10/01/16 12:43 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I think I would need 4-8 for the entire greenhouse. Due to that the system would need a pump.

Grower you have experience with a lot of airflow. Do you think my idea with swamp cooler air forced into the drum to keep the air rh is a good idea?


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Re: Greenhouse (pic heavy!) [Re: vatman]
    #23696393 - 10/01/16 06:36 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Don't know your location but you might consider insulating that baby. My record for propane use was a 500 gal propane tank in 9 days. That greenhouse was 14x48':eek: Then you have the problem of soaring temps on a sunny day.As far as the heater those forced air units are very common in greenhouses nothing special about wiring just used type UF direct burial wire which is sunlight resistant. Looks good though grow lots of mushies in there.


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Re: Greenhouse (pic heavy!) [Re: vatman]
    #23696465 - 10/01/16 07:37 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Quadman is 100% correct. The thing is fiberglass covering does not insulate well at all. You might also want to consider recovering the greenhouse down the road. The best covering to use is double or tripple walled polycarbonate but is is expensive as hell. The next best thing to use is two layers of polyethylene covering that uses a small squirrel cage blower to inflate between the covering layers. You then remove a corner or two of the spring locks to vent so the covering isnt over inflated. If you arent far up north you can probably get away with using cheap thermal pool covering on the inside at a minimum on the north side for this season. However your heating bill could still be high. Depending on the size you need you can find them pretty cheap. For like around 150 to 200 bucks.

Secondly invest in temperature alarms for the greenhouse. Im telling you now that things will fail at least once in the winter and the temps will drop while you're sleeping. Waking up to a frozen greenhouse is not fun. You need an alarm that will wake you up so you can catch the issue before its disastrous.

Other than that greenhouses are pretty much an engineering project that never ends because you will be constantly tweaking them to make them better and better. Lots of fun.

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Re: Greenhouse (pic heavy!) [Re: katbusa]
    #23696705 - 10/01/16 10:05 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

There is housing insulation I got for free(don't have a lot). I am going to put it in section with no light in the winter and light in the summer. I am also keeping an eye out for a lot of free bubble wrap as it is a good insulator. The outside base will also have straw used as an insulator.


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Re: Greenhouse (pic heavy!) [Re: vatman]
    #23696845 - 10/01/16 10:57 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Sounds like you have thought this out! Good on you! Some people get into greenhouses and dont realize all of the different aspects that need to be thought out.

Also something else. Try to silicone every nook, cranny, crack and seam in those panels. Those are prime spots to let out warm air in a hurry. Also pay attention to the base where cold air can seep in.

Housing insulation is pretty good to use if you cant get something that is water proof. Just watch for the possible build up of moisture within that material which would dramatically lower its insulating properties. Still something is better than nothing.

Good luck and that greenhouse should bring you alot of enjoyment.


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Re: Greenhouse (pic heavy!) [Re: katbusa]
    #23696891 - 10/01/16 11:13 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Right now I'm planning for summer pests. Slugs won't be too of an issue. Going to be saving all my egg shells.

Fungus gnats are the biggest pest problem. I'm going to be getting fly strips to help with prevention. Also cigarette butts in water helps keep pests out. Not good for our health either(not sure if a Helps mask would negate the toxic effects)


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Re: Greenhouse (pic heavy!) [Re: vatman]
    #23696946 - 10/01/16 11:35 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Fungus gnats are a mother effer. Other than controlling them in soil with mosquito dunks, I have no issue how to deal with them safely and effectively on mushrooms.

I pray you have no issues


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Re: Greenhouse (pic heavy!) [Re: katbusa]
    #23697032 - 10/01/16 12:02 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Sounds like a plan mate! Keep us informed!

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Re: Greenhouse (pic heavy!) [Re: katbusa]
    #23697126 - 10/01/16 12:43 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Fungus gnats are a mother effer. Other than controlling them in soil with mosquito dunks, I have no issue how to deal with them safely and effectively on mushrooms.

I pray you have no issues





yeah it will be a venture with them. I know they are up here in the 7A zone. All I can really do is practice prevention and control. I was also thinking about what I could do to make the greenhouse frog friendly and attract frogs.


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Re: Greenhouse (pic heavy!) [Re: vatman]
    #23697352 - 10/01/16 02:12 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Grow low FAE mushrooms like kings or shiitake. Also some oyster cultures like elm and pinks are not as responsive to low FAE. At least for the winter. In the warmer seasons get a swamp cooler in there, no need for the drums. Swamp coolers are only effective when the incoming air is dry keep in mind


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Re: Greenhouse (pic heavy!) [Re: Gr0wer]
    #23714487 - 10/06/16 09:26 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

was spray painting the ground to get a visual of where to dig to keep greenhouse level and noticed that my neighbors tree has dead limbs could get brown over the fence into our yard and damage the fence maybe the greenhouse. Printed out the city's tree ordinance and their tree should be trimmed or cut down according to it.


The tree is in their backyard so wouldn't have been seen by the road but we have had the backyard all marked up by a bunch of ulitile workers to make sure we don't hit any lines or ulties when we are digging.

How I view it that is a good as any time to just make a call. My roommate wants to talk to them first. I feel it would be better to just alert the city. It is a danger to this property, the one adjacent to it and the owners own home. I would just want to light a fire under there ass to make them act sooner than later.


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Re: Greenhouse (pic heavy!) [Re: vatman]
    #23714615 - 10/06/16 10:23 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Always address issues at the lowest level possible. I would bring it up in conversation, if they do nothing i know in MD i would have to get a notarized letter requesting them remove it and mail via certified mail or something to that effect, im sure it varies by state. Thats a last resort because im sure it wont be taken as a friendly effort.


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Re: Greenhouse (pic heavy!) [Re: Gr0wer]
    #23714619 - 10/06/16 10:26 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

It is out of municipal code and it is under ordinances for the city. There is an ordinance enforcement office I could call.


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Re: Greenhouse (pic heavy!) [Re: vatman]
    #23714637 - 10/06/16 10:38 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Yea do that last, after talking with them at least twice about it. If they say off the bat "fuck off" then call the office.


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Re: Greenhouse (pic heavy!) [Re: Gr0wer]
    #23719339 - 10/08/16 12:33 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Finished leveling the ground today.








Drying my bubblewrap that I got for free. Had it sitting in the greenhouse so it wouldn't blow away in the wind. Going to use it to insulate the greenhouse.


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Re: Greenhouse (pic heavy!) [Re: vatman]
    #23720936 - 10/08/16 10:52 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I'm try to think of the best way to optimize shelving in here


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Re: Greenhouse (pic heavy!) [Re: vatman]
    #23721104 - 10/09/16 12:44 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Are you planning to leave the ground like that? It will be mud. Pea gravel or even better a well graded cement slab or fairly plain and flat paver stones would be good. For shelving get yourself some conduit and a welder and some bright galvanizing spray to treat the welds. Then you can work around that funky curve. Custom conduit shelving is the only way to maximize your space and have easy cleaning IME.


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Re: Greenhouse (pic heavy!) [Re: Gr0wer]
    #23721108 - 10/09/16 12:48 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I forget who it was but they had an outdoor greenhouse similar to yours. It was layered with  fiberglass insulation then they got some old billboard signs, which are basically a heavy UV resistant tarp. Try contacting some advertisement companies about used signs for free or cheap. The one side is the add but the other side is white. Layer em 2-3 thick just in case there are holes.


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Re: Greenhouse (pic heavy!) [Re: Gr0wer]
    #23721420 - 10/09/16 08:18 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Are you planning to leave the ground like that? It will be mud. Pea gravel or even better a well graded cement slab or fairly plain and flat paver stones would be good. For shelving get yourself some conduit and a welder and some bright galvanizing spray to treat the welds. Then you can work around that funky curve. Custom conduit shelving is the only way to maximize your space and have easy cleaning IME.



I was planning on having a moss flooring. I haven't done the reading yet of what type of media would work best for that solution. Thank you for the shelving ideas.


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Re: Greenhouse (pic heavy!) [Re: vatman]
    #23721450 - 10/09/16 08:39 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Gr0wer is right with the flooring, I used to have a outdoor greenhouse with irrigation.
Unfortunately mine was destroyed several times by high wind and sun.

   

I can say, I needed both an outer and an inner layer.
I silicone sealed and riveted the inner layer.


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Re: Greenhouse (pic heavy!) [Re: Ferather]
    #23722729 - 10/09/16 04:02 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Yea that moss will die and be mud with how much your walking on it.


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Re: Greenhouse (pic heavy!) [Re: Gr0wer]
    #23722861 - 10/09/16 04:47 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I'm trying to read about options of growing moss on gravel. I know sand would be too fine.


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Re: Greenhouse (pic heavy!) [Re: vatman]
    #23723151 - 10/09/16 06:34 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I have an outdoor greenhouse also. I got some pallets from the local lumberyard and built a subfloor for the GH. Covered the pallets with OSB then put pond liner over the OSB. Seems to work pretty well.


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Re: Greenhouse (pic heavy!) [Re: AnarchoV]
    #23723426 - 10/09/16 07:46 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

That is something to think of, do you have photos?


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Re: Greenhouse (pic heavy!) [Re: vatman]
    #23723900 - 10/09/16 10:39 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Looks like I'll be getting multi purpose sand or play sand. Not 100% sure what one I would want to go with (moss won't really grow well on sand  :depressing: )

Or would peatmoss work as a flooring  :spaceman:


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Re: Greenhouse (pic heavy!) [Re: vatman]
    #23723994 - 10/09/16 11:30 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

No on the sand bro, get some sort of rock, pea gravel or any small sorted round rock would be easiest on the feet and ankles. Wet sand sticks to everything, and the crap will just collect on top. My grow is a concrete floor, gets hosed down weekly, and when i drop a fruit i wont put it into the sell bin but ill use it myself if its a nice cluster. Now drop that onto sand and i wouldn't even consider trying a bite. With rocks any small sediment will fall through, over time it will build up and you will need to re apply on top. Shitty part of rocks will be pieces of mushrooms and substrate will also build up and it will rot and smell like shit. Your best bet would be dig some drainage ditches and install pipes or grade the floor to flow out the door. Then do smooth paver stones or concrete. Don't reinvent the wheel.


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Re: Greenhouse (pic heavy!) [Re: Gr0wer]
    #23724358 - 10/10/16 07:18 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

:whathesaid: anything inorganic as opposed to organic. As Grower said clean is the game. Organic you have weeds,molds, bacteria, insects did I mention fungus gnats by the hundreds eating your mushrooms. I had pea gravel in my commercial plant greenhouses. Constant battle, you won't be walking much , but terrible to walk on all day.


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Re: Greenhouse (pic heavy!) [Re: Gr0wer]
    #23724394 - 10/10/16 08:00 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

There's nothing wrong with growing mushrooms in a greenhouse with an earthen floor. A thick straw layer over the bare ground is a great cheap way to keep mud down and will release heat as it decomposes. Eventually after tramping it down and reapplying it several times you'll have a pretty solid floor. No need to waste time with drains.

Your biggest concern should be heating your space without going broke spending your profits(?) on heating and getting water to your grow without it freezing. That foil bubble wrap really isn't going to help much when its 5 degrees outside and the wind is blowing. And keeping humidity up can be tough when your heat source kills the air moisture.

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Re: Greenhouse (pic heavy!) [Re: Quadman]
    #23724397 - 10/10/16 08:02 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I'm going to be breeding beneficial nematodes.It is not that hard. Some colleges have done documentation on them.

I don't have a truck right now. I'm trying to come up with something relativity easy to move.

Also all the bubble wrap fell down. I plan on getting some sealing for the doors and windows. I'm debating if I should only have it heated to 40 or if I should keep it up to 60


nematodes live up to 300 PSI and plan on using with hand watering.

I am also going to end up going with lava rocks. For shelving I was thinking wooden pallets. I am not sure if it would be safe using logs with wooden pallets if they have been chemically treated. Would bags be the only safe thing to use with that?


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Re: Greenhouse (pic heavy!) [Re: vatman]
    #23726840 - 10/10/16 10:02 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I might be giving up on the bubble wrap insulation idea. Today all the bubble wrap fall off the walls of the greenhouse. I was using packaging tape. From the digging I found I would need a 2 part binding agent to keep it on the walls.

I might just line all the backwalls with 55 Gallon drums. Should help keep the greenhouse cool in the summer too. (Got a pool tarp that will be used to block out most of the light along with a shade net.)


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Re: Greenhouse (pic heavy!) [Re: vatman]
    #23735841 - 10/14/16 12:33 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

So I will be going with a lava rock flooring.
I have gotten bubble wrap to stick to the greenhouse. I am searching for more.
Trying to find 2 more 55 Gallon drums fill with water.
I am trying to think what the min temperature I want to set the greenhouse heater to. I was thinking 40-45F and still have king oysters fruit.


I did the math today if my heater was running 24 hours a day for 30 days it would cost 100 a month to heat. I still want to keep the heating cost low as I build a customer base and rev up production.


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Re: Greenhouse (pic heavy!) [Re: vatman]
    #23738180 - 10/14/16 07:00 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Using my closet into a spawn storage since my roommates like leaving their windows open at night dropping the house temp down to 60F(set the heating to 50F) since they keep their windows open. Got a space heater for mine. To keep a stable 70ish F

I recently did Gr0wer's 24 hour grain soak for two spawn bags. This is the first time I think my spawn bags have come out nearly perfect. I put a hand full of dry coffee in each bag and mixed it up. I shoudl have cleaned the inside of the bags before cooking. I did an experiment with two bags. When I do 4 in my pressure cooker I tend to get 1-2 bags that don't really self seal in the pressure cooker. I ran the pressure cooker for 2 and 1/2 hour at temp. Did a slow rise to get to temp and a slow decrees to drop the temp.







I also found a wood company that would drop about 2000 LB of wood chips at my place for 50 bucks. Trick would be moving all those chips from the front yard to the backyard lol


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Re: Greenhouse (pic heavy!) [Re: vatman]
    #23738284 - 10/14/16 07:31 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Chips? are you doing beds? For grow bags you want coarse sawdust or really fine chips.


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Re: Greenhouse (pic heavy!) [Re: Gr0wer]
    #23738433 - 10/14/16 08:18 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I was planning on chips mixed with sawdust. The wood pellets around here are Douglas fir. So unless I mulched the chips myself.

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21744280/fpart/all/vc/1

Doubt any supplements would work with that tek. I have been collecting bags from the evil wally. Took about 30 today.



These are the size of the chips. I just grabbed a random handful. Been checking craglist and FB for a cheap chipper most are 120+


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Re: Greenhouse (pic heavy!) [Re: katbusa]
    #23738656 - 10/14/16 10:07 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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The next best thing to use is two layers of polyethylene covering that uses a small squirrel cage blower to inflate between the covering layers. You then remove a corner or two of the spring locks to vent so the covering isnt over inflated.





Question to all:
So could vatman construct a conduit shell around the fiberglass GH and secure polyethylene sheeting around it?  Thus creating a dome of sorts, one side being the fiber glass and the other poly sheeting, inflated by a squirrel fan. 

Could this method provide adequate insulation?


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Re: Greenhouse (pic heavy!) [Re: shroomyaxn]
    #23738799 - 10/14/16 11:16 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

The only advantage to a greenhouse is light and warmth during the day. Light can easily be accomplished with artificial. Too much heat during the day and cold at night are both disadvantages. Inflated layers of plastic have little R value. If you inflate plastic it needs to be air tight seal small squirrel cage will inflate it properly. IMHO a standard insulated building would be optimal. Portable reefer container would be very good. RR buried shipping container would be excellent 60° year around?


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Re: Greenhouse (pic heavy!) [Re: Quadman]
    #23738817 - 10/14/16 11:24 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Yes if it is 6 ft bellow the surface of where you are. The temperature tends to be 60F year round at a 6 ft depth. So that would be ideal. Not everyone has the ability to dig something like that. It also comes with dangers as shipping containers are not meant to be under ground.

So I plan on doing pinks and milky mushrooms for the summer in the greenhouse.

Right now I am focusing on working with wood chips and fuel pellets pasteurized. Decent amount of reading I have done have said chips really shouldn't be used pasteurized unless in beds. I still want to give them a shot in grocery bags.

Also for heating I got 2 more 55 Gallon drums. I am going to wield two rods to a brake rotor (rods would have 90 degree bends to allow easy insertion and removal out of the barrel) and heat the break rotor with the free wood chips I get and use that to heat the barrels when sun coverage is bad and when the greenhouse gets very low temps. I am debating if I should have my electrical heater set to 40-50F not sure of the range I should have it set to yet.


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    #23740894 - 10/15/16 09:33 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Wood chips you can pasteurize, especially if there a bit dirty, with dirt and microorganisms, spawn heavy. Not so much on the fuel pellets, your looking at lipa tek there so just again spawn heavy and use fast and aggressive colonizers like oysters and shiitake (shiitake will just eat mold).

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    #23749606 - 10/18/16 05:33 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

So I got a bunch of free rocks and will be using that to fill the rest of the greenhouse.

For heating I have gotten a total of 3 55 Gallon drums.

I will have 1 drum by the front door and 1 drum against the wall and those two will be full of water. The middle drum will be a compost drum. I will have an electict backup heater in the drum for when the greenhouse drops bellow 40F (4.4C) During the day it could be posible to reach temps of 80F. I am debating if I should have a fan set to kick on that would be on the ground at 70F for during the winter.

Trying to think of what to use the compost for besides a garden. Wouldn't have a enough to use it as substrate too often.


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    #23749740 - 10/18/16 06:17 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

With the size of you greenhouse your regular ventilation might take care of the heat build up in winter. Just have to distribute it evenly. Whitewash would help.


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    #23749755 - 10/18/16 06:23 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I would have to either cut a hole in the fiberglass, dig a hole under the greenhouse to the outside for a fan intake. I have a temp controller all ready that can kick on a heater when need be and kick on another switch for cooling. I just can't babysit during the day.


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    #23870658 - 11/26/16 10:02 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)




scaled back until I can justify heating the greenhouse. This can fit 24 bags on it. Not sure if it will be enough airflow for kings.

Fan is running 24/7
The RH control is set to 95% and will let the RH lower to 90% before turing back on. I am still misting the bags.

The pipe has a 90 degree bend upward to prevent direct airflow on any of the bags.


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    #23870779 - 11/26/16 11:08 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I usually run kings around 85% RH and no or very little misting, too much water and misting can lead to blotch which is very common with kings, especially if you feel there isn't enough airflow.
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    #23870795 - 11/26/16 11:13 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

the ones that I was able to case look great the otherones are starting to abort a lot.

I modifed the fan a little to stop airflow from leaking out of the bucket. Put gap filler around the fan. I am having a lot more airflow in the bucket now.

I lowered the RH to 86-84 with constant airflow still. Mist is now shooting out of the top of the line.


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    #23870830 - 11/26/16 11:28 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I bet you will still have a monster harvest on the one with a ton of pins:thumbup: I am interested to see how your cased vs uncased turns out, everyone has such different experiences concerning it.
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    #23870904 - 11/27/16 12:17 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Right now just jefy potting mix. Next time I go to home depot I'm going to pickup some hydrated lime and peatmoss. I all ready have verm

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    #23871818 - 11/27/16 11:56 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I usually run kings around 85% RH and no or very little misting, too much water and misting can lead to blotch which is very common with kings, especially if you feel there isn't enough airflow.
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    #23871862 - 11/27/16 12:09 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Pm'd you.
But just for other peoples reference, I have fruited in 90 RH and it is fine, but I dropped mine to 85% and kept it there when I was having problems with blotch and laying off the higher RH% and water cured it.


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Re: Greenhouse (pic heavy!) [Re: Marty Mycfly]
    #23872662 - 11/27/16 04:29 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Yea i didnt even mist my kings. Minimal FAE and 90%+ RH.


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    #23878970 - 11/29/16 05:24 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)



Not sure if bruising or two mushrooms becoming one


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    #23879091 - 11/29/16 05:54 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Looks like it was from sitting water, that's the predicament where I ran into blotch with kings.


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    #23879106 - 11/29/16 05:59 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

besides visual does it affect the texture/taste?


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    #23879470 - 11/29/16 07:21 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I don't think so, but it is a spreader that gets worse and worse fast.
Do you remember if some water was sitting in that fruit?


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    #23879479 - 11/29/16 07:24 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I think some water got knocked down when my roommate was moving the greenhouse.


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    #23879581 - 11/29/16 07:50 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

That might be the culprit. I think it's fine, but keep an eye out for more of that stuff, it will be on the caps too, like dark indents.


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    #23879736 - 11/29/16 08:27 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

yeah that reminds me too, he took the humidity sensor out of the greenhouse while I was at school without knowning it. The entire greenhouse was damp as hell when I came home that day.

Just remembered that

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I don't have enough to start selling to restaurants. Been kicked out of one Facebook group (selling group) for posting them there to be ready in a few days. I would like to start making a small return on my expenses as I expand.

Posted to craglist. Lets see how long until it is taken down from there.


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    #23880117 - 11/29/16 10:08 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Farmers markets are the good outlets, at least in my city it's pretty easy to show up even if you only have x amounts of mushrooms. I'm hoping to get to restaurants soon, I was doing the farmers markets and then started getting super sick from the oyster spores and had a conflict with our buisness name with another business in town. My wife and I have taken a short break on that whole thing but I am setting up an oyster grow at my friends shop since the spores were making me so sick having them near my home.


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    #23880149 - 11/29/16 10:21 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Do the caps get darker as they grow?


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    #23880172 - 11/29/16 10:28 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

   

Those are some of the different stages of growth and color I experience, my caps tend to get lighter as spores start dropping on to other caps.


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    #23880193 - 11/29/16 10:38 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Mine look relativity white to being with compared to yours. Could be my sub

My temps are around 64F


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    #23880261 - 11/29/16 11:05 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

64 is perfect for fruiting, it could be the sub or even the culture. Do they
What kind of sub is it on, and do they have good lighting?


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    #23880275 - 11/29/16 11:12 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Close to a window. So plenty of natural light.

The sub is Douglas fit pellets mixed with wheat bran (I might have finally found a hardwood source but haven't been feeling well enough to talk to give them a call)


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    #23880329 - 11/29/16 11:39 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Sorry to hear your not feeling well. Maybe the fir could affect the pigment:shrug: I have read stamets say that a mushrooms color can be affected by substrate.


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    #23880362 - 11/29/16 11:55 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Unfrotantly I am growing inside right now. Any recomendations besides having a mold filter close to the grow?

Gr0wer has experienced this too with different ratios and subs.

Also things like blue oysters their colors are affected by the temps.


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    #23880381 - 11/30/16 12:11 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Vent the spores all the way OUT, I have gotten way sick from them! Roger Rabbit almost died because of growing oysters in his bed room, true story:sad:


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    #23880400 - 11/30/16 12:23 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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That leaves the greenhouse out back but no really up there to heat that just yet.


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    #23939264 - 12/18/16 09:26 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Had some great fruiting on my first flush. Really good looking fruits. Between the first and second flush my RH controller failed. The sensor was damaged and was not reading correctly. A lot of the bags got watter logged. I got a new sensor one bag gave some really small fruits that were all soggy.

I am going to buy a backup RH sensor. I am doubting walmart would be a good bet. Maybe lowes or Homedepot?

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    #23939513 - 12/19/16 12:00 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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    #23939792 - 12/19/16 07:19 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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    #23941653 - 12/19/16 08:33 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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    #24081099 - 02/10/17 11:11 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

Getting ready for summer, setting up my greenhouse ready for the season.

Ordered a bunch of 60-100 micron foggers

A 200 stainless steal filter.

Digital water controller that has cycle times of 2, 5, 15 etc every 2, 4, 6 hours etc.


Been running some calculations my swamp cooler will be pumping humidity of roughly at 75% RH

Air temp will be 71-84F depending on time of the summer, weather etc.

Got a pool tarp to use as a shade tarp. Unfortunately it is gray.





I do have some questions, how important will it be to direct the swamp cooler airflow away from the logs.

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    #24081861 - 02/11/17 10:01 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

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    #24083490 - 02/11/17 11:33 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

A large pond fogger reading that they produce 1-5 size micron water droplets.
Downside is the heads need regular replacements/ should have backups on hand / needs a waterproof fan

Hydrofogger

Needs a fan booster according gr0wer.
Costs more than a ultrasonic setup but looks like less maintenance besides weekly cleaning.


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    #24146701 - 03/08/17 03:52 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

Did a check on the swamp cooler that I got for free. The pump and and fan still work. Just need to replace the pad.


Also started some logs with some old spawn, unimplemented to try to cut back risk of bacteria.



Overgrowth was blended in water and mixed into the straw while the grains were kept in tact.




I also had kings with overgrowth from sawdust bags. I was unhappy with the Douglas fir results.



Again overgrowth and pins blended.

Sawdust was mixed into the straw. Four, five pound bags were used for all this straw

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    #24146874 - 03/08/17 05:00 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

Wow! Interesting stuff you've got going there mate! I never heard to remove and blend the overgrowth but that makes perfect sense, a serious lightbulb moment.  And four bags for that much straw seems like such a small spawn investment- really looking forward to seeing your results!


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    #24146913 - 03/08/17 05:13 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

Overgrowth should be viable. Just increasing the surface area of it.

I can see sawdust on just about everything.  Took some king bags that had pins in there broke it up and hopefully have it recover.

We will see how things turn out. I'm anxiously waiting to see if my blue oyster in the log show signs of recovery. It has been 24 hours. I hate the waiting game.

Sometimes you just got to roll with it. I'd love to talk to someone extremely knowledgeable and know if it  would work out in the end

The straw had two bags of grain spawn used. It was heat pastirized and soaked with OXY clean and a little lime.

Kings were 24 hour cold soak with lime. I can always add more sawdust. It was mixed today.


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    #24146920 - 03/08/17 05:18 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

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I also had kings with overgrowth from sawdust bags. I was unhappy with the Douglas fir results.



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    #24146934 - 03/08/17 05:22 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

When I did it without wood ash the results were good, with it poor. I did about 10% wheat bran supplemention kings would have done better with a higher ratio. Just not worth the cost I'm paying for bulk bran.


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    #24146948 - 03/08/17 05:27 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

I got best results with lime bathed then enriched, but as I said testing is incomplete for now.
All I can say so far is, the anti-microbial materials are acidic and do breakdown.


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    #24146961 - 03/08/17 05:34 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

Further thought, adding ash and breaking down materials will increase the carbon count.
That will offset the current carbon to nitrate ratio (C:N), which slows it down.

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    #24146987 - 03/08/17 05:49 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

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Wow! Interesting stuff you've got going there mate! I never heard to remove and blend the overgrowth but that makes perfect sense, a serious lightbulb moment.  And four bags for that much straw seems like such a small spawn investment- really looking forward to seeing your results!





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    #24147001 - 03/08/17 05:58 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

Damn- what a short but oh so sweet thread! Thanks for the share! I knew there would be advantages to sawdust spawn (when I do my outdoor beds I was thinking of going that route) but that spawn ratio is incredible!


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    #24147039 - 03/08/17 06:17 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

Boils down to inculcation points. Larger surface area compared to grains

I am debating about going from grain to Douglas fir than straw. Thinking 30% wheat bran 70% sawdust.



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    #24148242 - 03/09/17 07:56 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)

Nice work, might join you in a few months. I've done the same with WL-Tek spawn.

       

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    #24149382 - 03/09/17 04:58 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

Still no recovery on my grains hmmm been 48 hours...


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    #24178747 - 03/20/17 07:34 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

How's this coming along vat?


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