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vatman
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Greenhouse (pic heavy!)
#23695579 - 09/30/16 09:36 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I just a free greenhouse with a bunch of free gear. The greenhouse is dirty as hell. I Started washing after these photos. I will finish washing the outside and inside tomorrow. I am using a biodegradable car soap. The greenhouse is a solid fiber glass greenhouse specs I have a friend who is an journeyman electrician stopping by tomorrow to help advise me the best and safest way to wire the greenhouse while staying in the NEC.






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Re: Greenhouse (pic heavy!) [Re: vatman]
#23695589 - 09/30/16 09:39 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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The heater unit is 220v and has no temp controller. From what I can find on it is a garage heater. My main concern of is getting water logged and shorting itself out and failing.
Winter plans The greenhouse is going to have bales of straw on the outside for insulation. Inside will have the heater running, 55 gallon drum painted black for a heat sink. The heater has me a little worried as stated above with being water logged. I will have a circuit protector to prevent shorts from starting a fire.
Summer plans
The swamp cooler can pose an issue with drying out the mushrooms. I plan on funneling the air into a 55 gallon drum that has a 3 prong mister the swamp cooler would be running a lot (maybe all the time)
I would also be setting up a hose line mister setup (without a pressure pump.)
Edited by vatman (09/30/16 10:07 PM)
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Re: Greenhouse (pic heavy!) [Re: vatman]
#23696022 - 10/01/16 12:29 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Keep us updated!! That 55 gal drums space will be trumped by the square foot output if you can have some more bags or logs in the same space. Also realize bags and logs have not only there own thermal mass (heatsink) but there own thermal output.
If you want some simple barb foggers just order about a dozen of these, they are the same as i use but single head. You will also want the anti drip device that holds pressure in the line. Otherwise the system will drip dry after each cycle and take a while to purge when activated. And because of the dripping you will see a lot more calcium buildup on your heads. ive only used the NPT foggers, but for whatever reason im only finding the 2 gph 4 head one available currently, i know making sure that NPT seal is airtight is super important for proper operation. I would be cautious with barb fittings as they tend to leak when punctured into a main drip pipe.
.8 gph barb fogger
Anti Leak device
Edited by Gr0wer (10/01/16 12:35 AM)
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vatman
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Re: Greenhouse (pic heavy!) [Re: Gr0wer]
#23696046 - 10/01/16 12:43 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think I would need 4-8 for the entire greenhouse. Due to that the system would need a pump.
Grower you have experience with a lot of airflow. Do you think my idea with swamp cooler air forced into the drum to keep the air rh is a good idea?
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Re: Greenhouse (pic heavy!) [Re: vatman]
#23696393 - 10/01/16 06:36 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Don't know your location but you might consider insulating that baby. My record for propane use was a 500 gal propane tank in 9 days. That greenhouse was 14x48' Then you have the problem of soaring temps on a sunny day.As far as the heater those forced air units are very common in greenhouses nothing special about wiring just used type UF direct burial wire which is sunlight resistant. Looks good though grow lots of mushies in there.
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Re: Greenhouse (pic heavy!) [Re: vatman]
#23696465 - 10/01/16 07:37 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quadman is 100% correct. The thing is fiberglass covering does not insulate well at all. You might also want to consider recovering the greenhouse down the road. The best covering to use is double or tripple walled polycarbonate but is is expensive as hell. The next best thing to use is two layers of polyethylene covering that uses a small squirrel cage blower to inflate between the covering layers. You then remove a corner or two of the spring locks to vent so the covering isnt over inflated. If you arent far up north you can probably get away with using cheap thermal pool covering on the inside at a minimum on the north side for this season. However your heating bill could still be high. Depending on the size you need you can find them pretty cheap. For like around 150 to 200 bucks.
Secondly invest in temperature alarms for the greenhouse. Im telling you now that things will fail at least once in the winter and the temps will drop while you're sleeping. Waking up to a frozen greenhouse is not fun. You need an alarm that will wake you up so you can catch the issue before its disastrous.
Other than that greenhouses are pretty much an engineering project that never ends because you will be constantly tweaking them to make them better and better. Lots of fun.
Good luck
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Re: Greenhouse (pic heavy!) [Re: katbusa]
#23696705 - 10/01/16 10:05 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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There is housing insulation I got for free(don't have a lot). I am going to put it in section with no light in the winter and light in the summer. I am also keeping an eye out for a lot of free bubble wrap as it is a good insulator. The outside base will also have straw used as an insulator.
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Re: Greenhouse (pic heavy!) [Re: vatman]
#23696845 - 10/01/16 10:57 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Sounds like you have thought this out! Good on you! Some people get into greenhouses and dont realize all of the different aspects that need to be thought out.
Also something else. Try to silicone every nook, cranny, crack and seam in those panels. Those are prime spots to let out warm air in a hurry. Also pay attention to the base where cold air can seep in.
Housing insulation is pretty good to use if you cant get something that is water proof. Just watch for the possible build up of moisture within that material which would dramatically lower its insulating properties. Still something is better than nothing.
Good luck and that greenhouse should bring you alot of enjoyment.
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Re: Greenhouse (pic heavy!) [Re: katbusa]
#23696891 - 10/01/16 11:13 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Right now I'm planning for summer pests. Slugs won't be too of an issue. Going to be saving all my egg shells.
Fungus gnats are the biggest pest problem. I'm going to be getting fly strips to help with prevention. Also cigarette butts in water helps keep pests out. Not good for our health either(not sure if a Helps mask would negate the toxic effects)
Edited by vatman (10/01/16 11:16 AM)
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Re: Greenhouse (pic heavy!) [Re: vatman]
#23696946 - 10/01/16 11:35 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Fungus gnats are a mother effer. Other than controlling them in soil with mosquito dunks, I have no issue how to deal with them safely and effectively on mushrooms.
I pray you have no issues
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Re: Greenhouse (pic heavy!) [Re: katbusa]
#23697032 - 10/01/16 12:02 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Sounds like a plan mate! Keep us informed!
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vatman
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Re: Greenhouse (pic heavy!) [Re: katbusa]
#23697126 - 10/01/16 12:43 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
katbusa said: Fungus gnats are a mother effer. Other than controlling them in soil with mosquito dunks, I have no issue how to deal with them safely and effectively on mushrooms.
I pray you have no issues
yeah it will be a venture with them. I know they are up here in the 7A zone. All I can really do is practice prevention and control. I was also thinking about what I could do to make the greenhouse frog friendly and attract frogs.
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Re: Greenhouse (pic heavy!) [Re: vatman]
#23697352 - 10/01/16 02:12 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Grow low FAE mushrooms like kings or shiitake. Also some oyster cultures like elm and pinks are not as responsive to low FAE. At least for the winter. In the warmer seasons get a swamp cooler in there, no need for the drums. Swamp coolers are only effective when the incoming air is dry keep in mind
Edited by Gr0wer (10/01/16 02:14 PM)
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Re: Greenhouse (pic heavy!) [Re: Gr0wer]
#23714487 - 10/06/16 09:26 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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was spray painting the ground to get a visual of where to dig to keep greenhouse level and noticed that my neighbors tree has dead limbs could get brown over the fence into our yard and damage the fence maybe the greenhouse. Printed out the city's tree ordinance and their tree should be trimmed or cut down according to it.
The tree is in their backyard so wouldn't have been seen by the road but we have had the backyard all marked up by a bunch of ulitile workers to make sure we don't hit any lines or ulties when we are digging.
How I view it that is a good as any time to just make a call. My roommate wants to talk to them first. I feel it would be better to just alert the city. It is a danger to this property, the one adjacent to it and the owners own home. I would just want to light a fire under there ass to make them act sooner than later.
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Re: Greenhouse (pic heavy!) [Re: vatman]
#23714615 - 10/06/16 10:23 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Always address issues at the lowest level possible. I would bring it up in conversation, if they do nothing i know in MD i would have to get a notarized letter requesting them remove it and mail via certified mail or something to that effect, im sure it varies by state. Thats a last resort because im sure it wont be taken as a friendly effort.
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Re: Greenhouse (pic heavy!) [Re: Gr0wer]
#23714619 - 10/06/16 10:26 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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It is out of municipal code and it is under ordinances for the city. There is an ordinance enforcement office I could call.
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Re: Greenhouse (pic heavy!) [Re: vatman]
#23714637 - 10/06/16 10:38 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yea do that last, after talking with them at least twice about it. If they say off the bat "fuck off" then call the office.
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Re: Greenhouse (pic heavy!) [Re: Gr0wer]
#23719339 - 10/08/16 12:33 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Finished leveling the ground today.





Drying my bubblewrap that I got for free. Had it sitting in the greenhouse so it wouldn't blow away in the wind. Going to use it to insulate the greenhouse.
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Re: Greenhouse (pic heavy!) [Re: vatman]
#23720936 - 10/08/16 10:52 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm try to think of the best way to optimize shelving in here
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Re: Greenhouse (pic heavy!) [Re: vatman]
#23721104 - 10/09/16 12:44 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Are you planning to leave the ground like that? It will be mud. Pea gravel or even better a well graded cement slab or fairly plain and flat paver stones would be good. For shelving get yourself some conduit and a welder and some bright galvanizing spray to treat the welds. Then you can work around that funky curve. Custom conduit shelving is the only way to maximize your space and have easy cleaning IME.
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