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poll: you are facing 100+ years for crimes
    #23695430 - 09/30/16 08:54 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Do you take the trial by jury or judge?
jury or judge
You may choose only one


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Re: poll: you are facing 100+ years for crimes [Re: Ahab McBathsalts]
    #23695437 - 09/30/16 08:55 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

BTW: not a serial criminal. Just a drunk.


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Re: poll: you are facing 100+ years for crimes [Re: Ahab McBathsalts]
    #23695487 - 09/30/16 09:08 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Votes not yet accepted?

If I were facing that many years I would simply flee to a country that doesn't have extradition agreements with the USA.


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Re: poll: you are facing 100+ years for crimes [Re: Crystal G]
    #23695495 - 09/30/16 09:11 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Crystal G said:
Votes not yet accepted?

If I were facing that many years I would simply flee to a country that doesn't have extradition agreements with the USA.



people always say they would flee but like seriously how do you trek into Canada you'd have to walk through the bear ridden forest or something and there could be rivers.. I know you couldn't just go through the border or the us border patrol would find your warrant and arrest you.. anyone know how to smuggle yourself into canada


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Re: poll: you are facing 100+ years for crimes [Re: hellno]
    #23695512 - 09/30/16 09:18 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Canada has extradition agreements with the United States, Canada is a no go. Think something like Chile instead.

I mean I'd take the jury, but I feel like Emails gonna come and tell us that it's the foolish choice.


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Re: poll: you are facing 100+ years for crimes [Re: hellno]
    #23695514 - 09/30/16 09:19 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Why the hell would you go to Canada, they have an extradition treaty with the USA and would simply find you and bring you back.

Most people aren't facing 100+ years of prison time. It wouldn't be worth it to go through the ordeal of fleeing to another country if you are only looking at 5 years prison time.


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Re: poll: you are facing 100+ years for crimes [Re: Ahab McBathsalts]
    #23695518 - 09/30/16 09:20 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

My vote is for Stal


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Re: poll: you are facing 100+ years for crimes [Re: Crystal G]
    #23695519 - 09/30/16 09:20 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Crystal G said:
Why the hell would you go to Canada, they have an extradition treaty with the USA and would simply find you and bring you back.




well how would you flee to any other country? how would you get on a plane when your a wanted fugitive?


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Re: poll: you are facing 100+ years for crimes [Re: hellno]
    #23695525 - 09/30/16 09:22 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

This goddamn poll default option has never worked in 15 years. What a bunch of bullshit.


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Re: poll: you are facing 100+ years for crimes [Re: hellno]
    #23695530 - 09/30/16 09:23 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Does it say you are a wanted fugitive? No, it just says that you are facing 100+ years for crimes. You could have charges pending but the judge might not have confiscated your passport, if that's the case then you can leave and get on a plane to go anywhere easily. You become a wanted fugitive long after you're gone already and there's no chance of capturing you.


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Re: poll: you are facing 100+ years for crimes [Re: Ahab McBathsalts]
    #23695536 - 09/30/16 09:25 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Trial by jury all the way.

If the judge tends to be lighter on crime (and given that my crime is non-violent but for some reason am facing 100+ years) I might opt for trial by judge.


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Re: poll: you are facing 100+ years for crimes [Re: Crystal G]
    #23695539 - 09/30/16 09:26 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah, Colombia or Venezuela seems like a good choice.


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Re: poll: you are facing 100+ years for crimes [Re: Ahab McBathsalts] * 1
    #23695541 - 09/30/16 09:26 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

What about the third hidden option? :datass:



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Re: poll: you are facing 100+ years for crimes [Re: Ahab McBathsalts]
    #23695543 - 09/30/16 09:27 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Yeah, Colombia or Venezuela seems like a good choice.




Again, why would you go to either of those countries if you are facing 100+ years? Both those countries have extradition treaties with the USA.

Jesus I hope neither of you become lifetime criminals, you'd be terrible at it and wind up back in prison in no time.


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Re: poll: you are facing 100+ years for crimes [Re: Crystal G]
    #23695554 - 09/30/16 09:31 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Cuba would be nice. Probably the most practical.


Edited by PatrickKn (09/30/16 09:32 PM)


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Re: poll: you are facing 100+ years for crimes [Re: PatrickKn] * 1
    #23695564 - 09/30/16 09:33 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I'd go to a land down under


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Re: poll: you are facing 100+ years for crimes [Re: PatrickKn]
    #23695566 - 09/30/16 09:34 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

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Cuba would be nice. Probably the most practical.




That's where I would go too. It's the closest in proximity to the USA so family and friends can still come out and visit you, and it's also cheap to live so a few thousand dollars could stretch to at least a year while you figure out things in terms of housing and job prospects. Not only that, but medicine is also really good in Cuba.

Spanish is also the most similar to English, and it'd be a lot easier for an American to learn Spanish than it would be to learn Vietnamese or Arabic or Swahili.

Who knows though, politics between the USA and Cuba are changing, and the embargo might be lifted. Once that happens, there will probably also be an extradition treaty in place.


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Re: poll: you are facing 100+ years for crimes [Re: shadyy] * 1
    #23695572 - 09/30/16 09:35 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Countries with No U.S. Extradition Treaty

Afghanistan Ethiopia Nepal
Algeria Gabon Niger
Andorra Guinea North Korea
Angola Guinea-Bissau Oman
Armenia Indonesia Qatar
Bahrain Iran Russia
Bangladesh Kazakhstan Rwanda
Belarus Kosovo Samoa
Bhutan Kuwait São Tomé & Príncipe
Bosnia and Herzegovina Laos Saudi Arabia
Brunei Lebanon Senegal
Burkina Faso Libya Serbia
Burundi Macedonia Somalia
Cambodia Madagascar Sudan
Cameroon the Maldives Syria
Cape Verde Mali Taiwan
the Central African Republic the Marshall Islands Togo
Chad Mauritania Tunisia
China Micronesia Uganda
Comoros Moldova Ukraine
Dem. Republic of the Congo Mongolia United Arab Emirates
Cote d' Ivoire Montenegro Uzbekistan
Cuba Morocco Vanuatu
Djibouti Mozambique the Vatican
Equatorial Guinea Myanmar Vietnam
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Re: poll: you are facing 100+ years for crimes [Re: hellno]
    #23695584 - 09/30/16 09:38 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

rather go to ukraine or russia.. hate south america, sshit scares the hell out of me with all those gore videos from there those guys love killing and torture


Edited by hellno (09/30/16 09:38 PM)


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Re: poll: you are facing 100+ years for crimes [Re: hellno] * 1
    #23695601 - 09/30/16 09:45 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Because.... Russia is so peaceful? :lol:

I would hate to live there, not to mention Slavic languages are the most difficult languages to master.


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Re: poll: you are facing 100+ years for crimes [Re: Ahab McBathsalts] * 6
    #23695603 - 09/30/16 09:47 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Joke's on them, there's no way I'm going to live another 100+ years.


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Re: poll: you are facing 100+ years for crimes [Re: Crystal G]
    #23695606 - 09/30/16 09:48 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Because.... Russia is so peaceful? :lol:

I would hate to live there, not to mention Slavic languages are the most difficult languages to master.



safer than south america especially being a gringo walking the streets


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Re: poll: you are facing 100+ years for crimes [Re: psi]
    #23695607 - 09/30/16 09:48 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

:lol:


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Re: poll: you are facing 100+ years for crimes [Re: Crystal G] * 1
    #23695615 - 09/30/16 09:50 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Those are some shitty countries.

I'd pick Russia for the beautiful women. Vietnam seems like a decent country


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Re: poll: you are facing 100+ years for crimes [Re: Ahab McBathsalts]
    #23695628 - 09/30/16 09:55 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Those are some shitty countries.

I'd pick Russia for the beautiful women. Vietnam seems like a decent country




exactly I got such a fetish for russian/ukrainian woman even like average looking milf ones are so hot, my landlord she was Ukrainian so attractive to me and she was like 40


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Re: poll: you are facing 100+ years for crimes [Re: hellno]
    #23695632 - 09/30/16 09:55 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

that's what snowden did went to russia


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Re: poll: you are facing 100+ years for crimes [Re: hellno]
    #23695653 - 09/30/16 10:01 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Depends on the charges, criminal history, if you look like a criminal ect ect.


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Re: poll: you are facing 100+ years for crimes [Re: PatrickKn]
    #23695735 - 09/30/16 10:26 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Canada has extradition agreements with the United States, Canada is a no go. Think something like Chile instead.

I mean I'd take the jury, but I feel like Emails gonna come and tell us that it's the foolish choice.






i'm almost certain Chile extradites, unless something changed since the US led coups in and economically invaded their country


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Re: poll: you are facing 100+ years for crimes [Re: demiu5]
    #23695750 - 09/30/16 10:31 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I could have sworn that was where Edward Snowden spent some time, but I might be remembering incorrectly.

Looked it up and I guess he's living in Russia.


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Re: poll: you are facing 100+ years for crimes [Re: PatrickKn]
    #23695762 - 09/30/16 10:35 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Countries in blue currently have extradition treaties with the US.  It's slim pickings if you're a fugative from justice.


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Re: poll: you are facing 100+ years for crimes [Re: hellno]
    #23695764 - 09/30/16 10:36 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Countries with No U.S. Extradition Treaty

Afghanistan Ethiopia Nepal
Algeria Gabon Niger
Andorra Guinea North Korea
Angola Guinea-Bissau Oman
Armenia Indonesia Qatar
Bahrain Iran Russia
Bangladesh Kazakhstan Rwanda
Belarus Kosovo Samoa
Bhutan Kuwait São Tomé & Príncipe
Bosnia and Herzegovina Laos Saudi Arabia
Brunei Lebanon Senegal
Burkina Faso Libya Serbia
Burundi Macedonia Somalia
Cambodia Madagascar Sudan
Cameroon the Maldives Syria
Cape Verde Mali Taiwan
the Central African Republic the Marshall Islands Togo
Chad Mauritania Tunisia
China Micronesia Uganda
Comoros Moldova Ukraine
Dem. Republic of the Congo Mongolia United Arab Emirates
Cote d' Ivoire Montenegro Uzbekistan
Cuba Morocco Vanuatu
Djibouti Mozambique the Vatican
Equatorial Guinea Myanmar Vietnam
Eritrea Namibia Yemen



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Re: poll: you are facing 100+ years for crimes [Re: MysticMoteToter]
    #23695772 - 09/30/16 10:40 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Cuba sounds nice.

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Re: poll: you are facing 100+ years for crimes [Re: Ahab McBathsalts] * 1
    #23695820 - 09/30/16 10:59 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

The only reason I'd pick jury is if I thought I could deadlock them. Otherwise, I'd pick judge. The average person is a fucking idiot, I don't want a room full of average people deciding my fate. I'd rather have someone who got a law degree and became a judge.


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Re: poll: you are facing 100+ years for crimes [Re: nooneman]
    #23696063 - 10/01/16 12:56 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Jury. Think about it, the Judge, and the Prosecuter are on the SAME payroll. Hell, when I was in "trouble" the prosecuter went out to eat with the fucking judge daily. Fuck that shit, its all a crock of shit.


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Re: poll: you are facing 100+ years for crimes [Re: LSDollar]
    #23696066 - 10/01/16 12:58 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Crystal you know a lot about extradition lol


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Re: poll: you are facing 100+ years for crimes [Re: Ahab McBathsalts]
    #23696089 - 10/01/16 01:12 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

jury


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Re: poll: you are facing 100+ years for crimes [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #23696100 - 10/01/16 01:19 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

hellno said:

well how would you flee to any other country? how would you get on a plane when your a wanted fugitive?




Take a boat or buy a fake passport.
Can't imagine what you'll have to do in 20 years, I used thumb prints just to clock in at my last job.


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Countries in blue currently have extradition treaties with the US.  It's slim pickings if you're a fugative from justice.





What about the purple place?


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Re: poll: you are facing 100+ years for crimes [Re: Repertoire89]
    #23696108 - 10/01/16 01:23 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

i would say if i was facing that, i would ditch the verdict and go on the move for the rest of my days.. it would suck, but  i would say it would suck worse stuck in a cell for the remaining.


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Re: poll: you are facing 100+ years for crimes [Re: Repertoire89] * 1
    #23696109 - 10/01/16 01:24 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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What about the purple place?






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Re: poll: you are facing 100+ years for crimes [Re: PatrickKn]
    #23696160 - 10/01/16 02:11 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Big Worm said:
Crystal you know a lot about extradition lol




lol, I get carried away with fantasies sometimes. I've fantasized about murdering certain people, and how I could get away with it after.

I pretty much calculated that I would need to save up several thousand dollars and buy myself a one-way plane ticket to Cuba almost immediately after the murder, before the cops even find the body. Ideally if I had $100K saved up I could just buy a home there, but y'know if time is of the essence and I am only able to save up $10K realistically then that will have to do.

Quote:

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:lol:




I loled too. Cuba's a safe country, in fact I'd venture to say it's a lot safer than Russia. The highest percentage of Neo-Nazis exist in Russia and there are vigilante groups in Russia that pretty much kidnap and torture gay people and foreigners, and they are almost never prosecuted. Not to mention Russia has a huge problem with mafia and organized crime, alcoholism (which leads to violent crime), and crazy violent cops.

Cuba is nothing like Brazil, it's a safe country. Violent crime is actually pretty uncommon in Cuba.

The OSAC for example, lists Cuba's safety level as "medium" while Moscow, Russia is listed as "critical." I would be so much more fearful of stepping foot into Russia than Cuba.

What the OSAC says about Moscow, Russia: "Violent crime, including incidents backed by organized crime, is not uncommon."
What the OSAC says about Cuba (basically saying that the most common types of crime in Cuba are non-confrontational, AKA prostitution or pickpocketing, those types of crimes): "Violent crime is not common. However, there were a small number of violent crimes involving American citizens reported in 2014."

What the OSAC said about Russia:
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Criminal groups continue to target individuals carrying large sums of cash or high-value luxury items. According to open source reports, thieves regularly target individuals who have withdrawn hundreds of thousands of rubles from local banks in the center of Moscow. This type of crime is sometimes violent and can involve the use of firearms.

Frequenting bars or clubs late at night or early in the morning in Moscow involves additional risk to personal safety. U.S. citizens may be targeted for robbery, assault, or another type of crime, especially if senses are diminished due to alcohol use. In July and August, there were three separate incidents of U.S. Embassy employees being assaulted while returning home late at night in central Moscow. In the first two incidents, the victims were struck physically, briefly lost consciousness, and were robbed of their valuables. The third incident involved two U.S citizen employees who appeared to have been drugged and robbed of their valuables; both awoke in different parts of the city, one by the edge of the Moscow River.

In August 2015, a U.S. citizen employee of an American company in Moscow was shot at while on his way to work in a chauffeur-driven vehicle, sustaining non-life-threatening injuries. Although the perpetrators were never caught, the employee believed that he was not targeted because he was American, but rather as a result of a personal dispute with other employees of the company.

Violent crime, including incidents backed by organized crime, is not uncommon. In December 2015, two people were killed and 12 injured during a shooting at a café-bar near the Russian White House. Witnesses, including an Irish expatriate, claimed at least 20 rounds were discharged on a public street between two highly trafficked metro stations.

Also in December, an improvised explosive device injured five people at a bus stop in central Moscow. The police arrested a suspect who reportedly was attempting to kill a local businessman over a construction dispute.




I don't know why he thinks Russia is so safe yet Cuba isn't. lol

Not only that, but Moscow is one of the most expensive cities to live in. It is even more expensive than London or Tokyo or NYC. The weather is shit too, and Russian is one of the most impossible languages for a foreigner to learn.

Russia just sounds like an all-around unsafe bet when you consider the fact that your job prospects are low with a language that's almost impossible to learn, the fact that it's not cheap to live there, and if you wind up homeless there's a strong chance you may perish out in the freezing cold, all in all just makes for a very risky place to run away to with limited resources and no connections. At least in Cuba if you wind up homeless, you could sleep on the beach and it really wouldn't be that bad.


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Re: poll: you are facing 100+ years for crimes [Re: Crystal G]
    #23696188 - 10/01/16 02:34 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: poll: you are facing 100+ years for crimes [Re: Crystal G]
    #23697610 - 10/01/16 03:54 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Crystal G said:

lol, I get carried away with fantasies sometimes. I've fantasized about murdering certain people, and how I could get away with it after.

I pretty much calculated that I would need to save up several thousand dollars and buy myself a one-way plane ticket to Cuba almost immediately after the murder, before the cops even find the body. Ideally if I had $100K saved up I could just buy a home there, but y'know if time is of the essence and I am only able to save up $10K realistically then that will have to do.




If you have to flee you're not "getting away with it", my murder fantasies usually end in ways of disposing of said body so there is no evidence, the person just goes "missing".
But to each their own I suppose :shrug:


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Re: poll: you are facing 100+ years for crimes [Re: Ahab McBathsalts]
    #23697615 - 10/01/16 03:57 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Jury.


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Re: poll: you are facing 100+ years for crimes [Re: Chemical Addiction]
    #23698237 - 10/01/16 07:52 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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lol, I get carried away with fantasies sometimes. I've fantasized about murdering certain people, and how I could get away with it after.

I pretty much calculated that I would need to save up several thousand dollars and buy myself a one-way plane ticket to Cuba almost immediately after the murder, before the cops even find the body. Ideally if I had $100K saved up I could just buy a home there, but y'know if time is of the essence and I am only able to save up $10K realistically then that will have to do.




If you have to flee you're not "getting away with it", my murder fantasies usually end in ways of disposing of said body so there is no evidence, the person just goes "missing".
But to each their own I suppose :shrug:




They can still convict you even without evidence of a body. Though I suppose it depends on who you kill, if you kill a former boss or professor you could get away with it. A child or a spouse, very unlikely, even with a missing body.


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Re: poll: you are facing 100+ years for crimes [Re: Crystal G]
    #23698271 - 10/01/16 08:06 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

About 1/3rd of murders in the US go unsolved

Come to think it, that's a very high number and somewhat disturbing


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Re: poll: you are facing 100+ years for crimes [Re: Repertoire89]
    #23698281 - 10/01/16 08:09 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Jury nullification. Anyone mention that yet?


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Re: poll: you are facing 100+ years for crimes [Re: Repertoire89]
    #23698601 - 10/01/16 10:29 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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About 1/3rd of murders in the US go unsolved

Come to think it, that's a very high number and somewhat disturbing




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Re: poll: you are facing 100+ years for crimes [Re: Ahab McBathsalts]
    #23698852 - 10/02/16 12:16 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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    #23698861 - 10/02/16 12:27 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Plea it down have a chance?  Honestly if you are in that much trouble you should of recorded a shit more evidence on other criminals to make a deal.  Lot's of tricks in the books.


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Re: poll: you are facing 100+ years for crimes [Re: Crystal G]
    #23698953 - 10/02/16 01:09 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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They can still convict you even without evidence of a body. Though I suppose it depends on who you kill, if you kill a former boss or professor you could get away with it. A child or a spouse, very unlikely, even with a missing body.





danny porter got that conviction on the murder of randall beck. he had no weapon, no
body, nothing but a crime scene and a statement to a waffle house cook.


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    #23699052 - 10/02/16 02:22 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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They can still convict you even without evidence of a body. Though I suppose it depends on who you kill, if you kill a former boss or professor you could get away with it. A child or a spouse, very unlikely, even with a missing body.





danny porter got that conviction on the murder of randall beck. he had no weapon, no
body, nothing but a crime scene and a statement to a waffle house cook.




Scott Peterson also got that conviction, even though they never did find his wife's body and the evidence against him was purely circumstantial.


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Re: poll: you are facing 100+ years for crimes [Re: Crystal G]
    #23699064 - 10/02/16 02:37 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

How can a jury convict a person on a murder charge with no body.  No body mean no cause of death and no cause of death makes it impossible to prove a murder took place.:confused:

If you get convicted of murder w/o a body your lawyer should be disbarred immediatly and a new trial should be set.


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Re: poll: you are facing 100+ years for crimes [Re: Cognitive_Shift] * 1
    #23699076 - 10/02/16 02:45 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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How can a jury convict a person on a murder charge with no body.  No body mean no cause of death and no cause of death makes it impossible to prove a murder took place.:confused:

If you get convicted of murder w/o a body your lawyer should be disbarred immediatly and a new trial should be set.




There are many ways somebody can be legally considered dead without a body, if for example there has been no trace of activity including bank account activity or online internet activity or cell phone activity or any trace of the person for a long period of time, then that person can legally be presumed dead even if they are only missing.

Hence why people can still claim life insurance payments even without a missing body. If somebody is eaten alive by alligators while on a safari trip in Africa and it's witnessed by the entire tour group, that's one easy way they can be legally claimed dead without a body.

It's called "death in absentia," and many people have been prosecuted and convicted without a body.


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Re: poll: you are facing 100+ years for crimes [Re: Crystal G]
    #23699085 - 10/02/16 02:50 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I understand they can deduce a person is dead but you're missing my entire point.  How can you prove the person died as the result of a murder? with no body.

Yes we can show she's dead but with out a body you can't prove how that person died and since you can't prove how the person died you can't prove murder was the cause of death.  Let alone convict a person for doing the murder when the state has no evidence a murder took place at all.


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Re: poll: you are facing 100+ years for crimes [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #23699090 - 10/02/16 02:53 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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I understand they can deduce a person is dead but you're missing my entire point.  How can you prove the person died as the result of a murder? with no body.

Yes we can show she's dead but with out a body you can't prove how that person died and since you can't prove how the person died you can't prove murder was the cause of death.  Let alone convict a person for doing the murder when the state has no evidence a murder took place at all.




Like I said, it's called circumstantial evidence, plenty of people have been prosecuted and imprisoned for trials based solely on circumstantial evidence. Scott Peterson was one of these more famous cases of this happening.

Even though they never found Laci Peterson's body, the jury deduced that she must be dead because pregnant women almost never voluntarily go missing, and Scott Peterson had been going around telling women he was a widower, and he had also sold her possessions indicating that he wasn't expecting her to return.


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Re: poll: you are facing 100+ years for crimes [Re: Crystal G]
    #23699095 - 10/02/16 02:56 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Not only that, but there are also many cases where the body is found eventually, but the body is so badly decomposed that you cannot tell how the person died. Yet somebody could still be prosecuted and found guilty for murder despite lack of known cause of death.


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Re: poll: you are facing 100+ years for crimes [Re: Crystal G]
    #23699098 - 10/02/16 02:59 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

All a defense attorney has to do is point out no evidence exists a murder was the cause of death in this case, let alone that my client did it.  Right there is reasonable doubt, case closed.

If a jury convicts on circumstantial evidence the defense lawyer didn't do their job IMO.


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Re: poll: you are facing 100+ years for crimes [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #23699104 - 10/02/16 03:06 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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All a defense attorney has to do is point out no evidence exists a murder was the cause of death in this case, let alone that my client did it.  Right there is reasonable doubt, case closed.

If a jury convicts on circumstantial evidence the defense lawyer didn't do their job IMO.




Literally that's what every defense attorney in this case does, it doesn't always work however.

It depends on who you kill too. If you kill somebody who's a homeless person or a drug addict or mentally ill, it's very easy to argue and claim that this person was unstable and ran away on their own volition. But if you kill somebody who's a stay-at-home mother or a child, it becomes more difficult to claim that these people ran away and were clever enough and had sufficient motive to disappear without a trace.

I remember there was a famous case where a man was murdered while on a cruise for his honeymoon. His body "disappeared" while on the cruise in the middle of the ocean, and a pool of his blood was found on the ship somewhere. In this case, a lack of body makes it very obvious that he died--either it was an accident and he fell overboard, or he was murdered and then thrown overboard.


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Re: poll: you are facing 100+ years for crimes [Re: Ahab McBathsalts]
    #23700210 - 10/02/16 01:15 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Do you take the trial by jury or judge?



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Re: poll: you are facing 100+ years for crimes [Re: Ahab McBathsalts]
    #23700219 - 10/02/16 01:17 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Never answered OP:

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Re: poll: you are facing 100+ years for crimes [Re: Repertoire89]
    #23700254 - 10/02/16 01:27 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I've come to the conclusion that getting away with murder is near impossible in today's day and age.


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    #23700289 - 10/02/16 01:35 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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I've come to the conclusion that getting away with murder is near impossible in today's day and age.




As stated earlier, 1/3rd of murders go unsolved in the US


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Re: poll: you are facing 100+ years for crimes [Re: Repertoire89]
    #23700344 - 10/02/16 01:48 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Are you planning on killing someone you know or a random person? The only way I see someone having any chance whatsoever of getting away with murder is if you kill a complete stranger.


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Re: poll: you are facing 100+ years for crimes [Re: Bigfeely123]
    #23700352 - 10/02/16 01:51 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I'd say it depends on locale. While a country-wide average is one in three murders, the areas that drop it (the average) are probably not solving over half of them. Meaning in some cities you can get away with murder on the same chances as flipping a coin.


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Re: poll: you are facing 100+ years for crimes [Re: PatrickKn]
    #23700381 - 10/02/16 02:01 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Are you planning on killing someone you know or a random person? The only way I see someone having any chance whatsoever of getting away with murder is if you kill a complete stranger.




It would definitely be much easier for a random, but I doubt there are that many serial killers out there, most murders are bound to be business or personal.

Might make for interesting research  :shrug:


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I'd say it depends on locale. While a country-wide average is one in three murders, the areas that drop it (the average) are probably not solving over half of them. Meaning in some cities you can get away with murder on the same chances as flipping a coin.




Makes sense, its probably a lot easier in Compton than Scottsdale.


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Re: poll: you are facing 100+ years for crimes [Re: Repertoire89]
    #23700528 - 10/02/16 02:52 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Are you planning on killing someone you know or a random person? The only way I see someone having any chance whatsoever of getting away with murder is if you kill a complete stranger.




It would definitely be much easier for a random, but I doubt there are that many serial killers out there, most murders are bound to be business or personal.

Might make for interesting research  :shrug:


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I'd say it depends on locale. While a country-wide average is one in three murders, the areas that drop it (the average) are probably not solving over half of them. Meaning in some cities you can get away with murder on the same chances as flipping a coin.




Makes sense, its probably a lot easier in Compton than Scottsdale.




you don't think there are many serial killers out there?? dude I think your naively mistaken..there are alot of killers walking free out there..even if they aren't doing it all the time but still have that built in looking for the next chance they get.. I'm pretty sure alot of homeless kill people they'll tell you themselves.. that they think about hurting people and killing people and shit..


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Re: poll: you are facing 100+ years for crimes [Re: hellno]
    #23700563 - 10/02/16 03:00 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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you don't think there are many serial killers out there?? dude I think your naively mistaken..there are alot of killers walking free out there..even if they aren't doing it all the time but still have that built in looking for the next chance they get.. I'm pretty sure alot of homeless kill people they'll tell you themselves.. that they think about hurting people and killing people and shit..




Naivety is believing the shit talk of some bum.

There are a lot of people being murdered in the US, I would bet good money the majority are the result of gang activity, business and personal vendettas. All of that is relatively normal human behavior, the whole Ted Bundy thing is not.


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Re: poll: you are facing 100+ years for crimes [Re: Alexestalex]
    #23700568 - 10/02/16 03:02 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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What about the third hidden option? :datass:





this, Imagine if you were framed and knew there was no way anyone would believe you,

you know that eventually you will be arrested for something you didnt do, its just a matter of time.

would you kill your self? right away? take your chances with the legal system? get revenge on the people who framed you?


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Re: poll: you are facing 100+ years for crimes [Re: chulutu]
    #23701647 - 10/02/16 09:02 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

What weapon would you use to kill your victim.  Of course this is all just fun and games, not actual murder plots. 

I would use a really common blunt object like a rock or a brick and just smash the person in the head till their brains are showing.


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Re: poll: you are facing 100+ years for crimes [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #23701648 - 10/02/16 09:04 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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What weapon would you use to kill your victim.  Of course this is all just fun and games, not actual murder plots. 

I would use a really common blunt object like a rock or a brick and just smash the person in the head till their brains are showing.



wtf dude rather not hurt anybody dude..man..bro and I would not post shit like that either..


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Re: poll: you are facing 100+ years for crimes [Re: hellno]
    #23701653 - 10/02/16 09:05 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

especially late hours you sure you aren't out hurting people.. Cognitive_Shift


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Re: poll: you are facing 100+ years for crimes [Re: hellno]
    #23701659 - 10/02/16 09:06 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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What weapon would you use to kill your victim.  Of course this is all just fun and games, not actual murder plots. 

I would use a really common blunt object like a rock or a brick and just smash the person in the head till their brains are showing.



wtf dude rather not hurt anybody dude..man..bro and I would not post shit like that either..



You clearly didn't read my entire post.  If I was actually going to kill someone I wouldn't discuss it on a public forum with my IP available for everyone to see.  Pretty much discussing "what if" scenarios.


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Re: poll: you are facing 100+ years for crimes [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #23701701 - 10/02/16 09:19 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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What weapon would you use to kill your victim.  Of course this is all just fun and games, not actual murder plots. 

I would use a really common blunt object like a rock or a brick and just smash the person in the head till their brains are showing.




I'd use one of these



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Re: poll: you are facing 100+ years for crimes [Re: Repertoire89]
    #23701706 - 10/02/16 09:20 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

The anti-poon belt?


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Re: poll: you are facing 100+ years for crimes [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #23701713 - 10/02/16 09:20 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

First choice would probably be the foot, but the belt would work fine


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Re: poll: you are facing 100+ years for crimes [Re: Repertoire89]
    #23701785 - 10/02/16 09:48 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Theoretically speaking, one of these handguns... I own all of these legally btw :smirk:.



Bottom left is a pneumatic webley alecto ultra, just about the sane kinetic energy as a 22, but way more quite and without intense heat, the pellets could theoretically be dipped in fentanyl. Top right is a custom 22 from tactical solutions that has a fixed barrel w/ threading for a silencer, bottom right is my mark 23 .45 w/ laser sight and strobe light.

Thinking about giving the webley away via contest on the shroomery, it's not a typical bb gun, I was issued it for use in JROTC and bought it when I left for around $400, extremely accurate pistol for competitive shooting with a trigger pull weight that can literally be set off by a feather.

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Re: poll: you are facing 100+ years for crimes [Re: falsereality]
    #23701859 - 10/02/16 10:21 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Theoretically speaking, one of these handguns... I own all of these legally btw :smirk:.



Bottom left is a pneumatic webley alecto ultra, just about the sane kinetic energy as a 22, but way more quite and without intense heat, the pellets could theoretically be dipped in fentanyl. Top right is a custom 22 from tactical solutions that has a fixed barrel w/ threading for a silencer, bottom right is my mark 23 .45 w/ laser sight and strobe light.

Thinking about giving the webley away via contest on the shroomery, it's not a typical bb gun, I was issued it for use in JROTC and bought it when I left for around $400, extremely accurate pistol for competitive shooting with a trigger pull weight that can literally be set off by a feather.

Amateur hour up in this bitch. No quotes please, feel free to save the pic though.





what for?? why dipped in fentanyl?


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Re: poll: you are facing 100+ years for crimes [Re: hellno]
    #23701864 - 10/02/16 10:24 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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what for?? why dipped in fentanyl?




Could be used as a tranq gun with naloxone around.


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    #23701877 - 10/02/16 10:32 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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what for?? why dipped in fentanyl?




Could be used as a tranq gun with naloxone around.



huh never even heard of that.. if that's such a thing why aren't cops using it instead of killing everybody?


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Re: poll: you are facing 100+ years for crimes [Re: hellno]
    #23701886 - 10/02/16 10:36 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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what for?? why dipped in fentanyl?




Could be used as a tranq gun with naloxone around.



huh never even heard of that.. if that's such a thing why aren't cops using it instead of killing everybody?




Because it's incredibly dangerous and doesn't kick in immediately. That's why they use tasers.


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Re: poll: you are facing 100+ years for crimes [Re: Ahab McBathsalts]
    #23701890 - 10/02/16 10:39 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Stal. Trial by combat.


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Re: poll: you are facing 100+ years for crimes [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #23701914 - 10/02/16 10:49 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Never answered OP:

Trial by combat





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Stal. Trial by combat.





We're taking it back

I wonder how the state will choose their champion
Maybe death row inmates?

There's a lot of entertainment potential in this


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Re: poll: you are facing 100+ years for crimes [Re: Repertoire89]
    #23701999 - 10/02/16 11:33 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

godamn falsereality your hardcore wit dem guns..dont wana run up on your mushroom spot


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Re: poll: you are facing 100+ years for crimes [Re: hellno]
    #23702003 - 10/02/16 11:34 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

what's the pricing on dem thangz/.?


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Re: poll: you are facing 100+ years for crimes [Re: hellno]
    #23702043 - 10/02/16 11:52 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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what's the pricing on dem thangz/.?




2.5k for the Mark 23 new, 400 for the webley, and around 1k for the 22 pistol after the trigger job and replacing the barrel. I grew up in texas and began competitive shooting at 10yrs old or so, so my gun collection is quite extensive :wink:.


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Re: poll: you are facing 100+ years for crimes [Re: falsereality]
    #23702049 - 10/02/16 11:56 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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hellno said:
what's the pricing on dem thangz/.?




2.5k for the Mark 23 new, 400 for the webley, and around 1k for the 22 pistol after the trigger job and replacing the barrel. I grew up in texas and began competitive shooting at 10yrs old or so, so my gun collection is quite extensive :wink:.




dang some pricey stuff..(for something I would never end up having to use personally) ...nice I was born in texas myself


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Re: poll: you are facing 100+ years for crimes [Re: Ahab McBathsalts]
    #27818177 - 06/13/22 06:54 PM (1 year, 7 months ago)

This poll never worked 5 years ago.


NO ONE EVEN TRIED TO HELP ME. ALL THESE FUCKING YEARS.


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Re: poll: you are facing 100+ years for crimes [Re: Ahab McBathsalts]
    #27818194 - 06/13/22 07:01 PM (1 year, 7 months ago)

At least I voted.  That has got to count for something.


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Re: poll: you are facing 100+ years for crimes [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #27818213 - 06/13/22 07:06 PM (1 year, 7 months ago)

I voted wrong. I would take the judge if I was innocent and the jury if I actually did it.


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Re: poll: you are facing 100+ years for crimes [Re: Ahab McBathsalts]
    #27818214 - 06/13/22 07:06 PM (1 year, 7 months ago)

:lol:


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Re: poll: you are facing 100+ years for crimes [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #27818303 - 06/13/22 07:54 PM (1 year, 7 months ago)

repercussion


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Re: poll: you are facing 100+ years for crimes [Re: hellno] * 1
    #27819147 - 06/14/22 10:55 AM (1 year, 7 months ago)

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Countries with No U.S. Extradition Treaty

Afghanistan Ethiopia Nepal
Algeria Gabon Niger
Andorra Guinea North Korea
Angola Guinea-Bissau Oman
Armenia Indonesia Qatar
Bahrain Iran Russia
Bangladesh Kazakhstan Rwanda
Belarus Kosovo Samoa
Bhutan Kuwait São Tomé & Príncipe
Bosnia and Herzegovina Laos Saudi Arabia
Brunei Lebanon Senegal
Burkina Faso Libya Serbia
Burundi Macedonia Somalia
Cambodia Madagascar Sudan
Cameroon the Maldives Syria
Cape Verde Mali Taiwan
the Central African Republic the Marshall Islands Togo
Chad Mauritania Tunisia
China Micronesia Uganda
Comoros Moldova Ukraine
Dem. Republic of the Congo Mongolia United Arab Emirates
Cote d' Ivoire Montenegro Uzbekistan
Cuba Morocco Vanuatu
Djibouti Mozambique the Vatican
Equatorial Guinea Myanmar Vietnam
Eritrea Namibia Yemen




All the shithole countries

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Re: poll: you are facing 100+ years for crimes [Re: oursoulsinmotion]
    #27819231 - 06/14/22 12:21 PM (1 year, 7 months ago)

What'd you say about Bhutan ? :kingcrankey:


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