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Re: poll: you are facing 100+ years for crimes [Re: Crystal G]
    #23696188 - 10/01/16 02:34 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: poll: you are facing 100+ years for crimes [Re: Crystal G]
    #23697610 - 10/01/16 03:54 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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lol, I get carried away with fantasies sometimes. I've fantasized about murdering certain people, and how I could get away with it after.

I pretty much calculated that I would need to save up several thousand dollars and buy myself a one-way plane ticket to Cuba almost immediately after the murder, before the cops even find the body. Ideally if I had $100K saved up I could just buy a home there, but y'know if time is of the essence and I am only able to save up $10K realistically then that will have to do.




If you have to flee you're not "getting away with it", my murder fantasies usually end in ways of disposing of said body so there is no evidence, the person just goes "missing".
But to each their own I suppose :shrug:


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Re: poll: you are facing 100+ years for crimes [Re: Ahab McBathsalts]
    #23697615 - 10/01/16 03:57 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Jury.


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Re: poll: you are facing 100+ years for crimes [Re: Chemical Addiction]
    #23698237 - 10/01/16 07:52 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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lol, I get carried away with fantasies sometimes. I've fantasized about murdering certain people, and how I could get away with it after.

I pretty much calculated that I would need to save up several thousand dollars and buy myself a one-way plane ticket to Cuba almost immediately after the murder, before the cops even find the body. Ideally if I had $100K saved up I could just buy a home there, but y'know if time is of the essence and I am only able to save up $10K realistically then that will have to do.




If you have to flee you're not "getting away with it", my murder fantasies usually end in ways of disposing of said body so there is no evidence, the person just goes "missing".
But to each their own I suppose :shrug:




They can still convict you even without evidence of a body. Though I suppose it depends on who you kill, if you kill a former boss or professor you could get away with it. A child or a spouse, very unlikely, even with a missing body.


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Re: poll: you are facing 100+ years for crimes [Re: Crystal G]
    #23698271 - 10/01/16 08:06 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

About 1/3rd of murders in the US go unsolved

Come to think it, that's a very high number and somewhat disturbing


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Re: poll: you are facing 100+ years for crimes [Re: Repertoire89]
    #23698281 - 10/01/16 08:09 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Jury nullification. Anyone mention that yet?


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Re: poll: you are facing 100+ years for crimes [Re: Repertoire89]
    #23698601 - 10/01/16 10:29 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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About 1/3rd of murders in the US go unsolved

Come to think it, that's a very high number and somewhat disturbing




you should look up the statistics for mexico...


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Re: poll: you are facing 100+ years for crimes [Re: Ahab McBathsalts]
    #23698852 - 10/02/16 12:16 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Do you take the trial by jury or judge?







suck it up. tell the judge you're a fuckup and accept what he throws at you


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Re: poll: you are facing 100+ years for crimes [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23698861 - 10/02/16 12:27 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Plea it down have a chance?  Honestly if you are in that much trouble you should of recorded a shit more evidence on other criminals to make a deal.  Lot's of tricks in the books.


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Re: poll: you are facing 100+ years for crimes [Re: Crystal G]
    #23698953 - 10/02/16 01:09 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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They can still convict you even without evidence of a body. Though I suppose it depends on who you kill, if you kill a former boss or professor you could get away with it. A child or a spouse, very unlikely, even with a missing body.





danny porter got that conviction on the murder of randall beck. he had no weapon, no
body, nothing but a crime scene and a statement to a waffle house cook.


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Re: poll: you are facing 100+ years for crimes [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23699052 - 10/02/16 02:22 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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They can still convict you even without evidence of a body. Though I suppose it depends on who you kill, if you kill a former boss or professor you could get away with it. A child or a spouse, very unlikely, even with a missing body.





danny porter got that conviction on the murder of randall beck. he had no weapon, no
body, nothing but a crime scene and a statement to a waffle house cook.




Scott Peterson also got that conviction, even though they never did find his wife's body and the evidence against him was purely circumstantial.


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Re: poll: you are facing 100+ years for crimes [Re: Crystal G]
    #23699064 - 10/02/16 02:37 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

How can a jury convict a person on a murder charge with no body.  No body mean no cause of death and no cause of death makes it impossible to prove a murder took place.:confused:

If you get convicted of murder w/o a body your lawyer should be disbarred immediatly and a new trial should be set.


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Re: poll: you are facing 100+ years for crimes [Re: Cognitive_Shift] * 1
    #23699076 - 10/02/16 02:45 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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How can a jury convict a person on a murder charge with no body.  No body mean no cause of death and no cause of death makes it impossible to prove a murder took place.:confused:

If you get convicted of murder w/o a body your lawyer should be disbarred immediatly and a new trial should be set.




There are many ways somebody can be legally considered dead without a body, if for example there has been no trace of activity including bank account activity or online internet activity or cell phone activity or any trace of the person for a long period of time, then that person can legally be presumed dead even if they are only missing.

Hence why people can still claim life insurance payments even without a missing body. If somebody is eaten alive by alligators while on a safari trip in Africa and it's witnessed by the entire tour group, that's one easy way they can be legally claimed dead without a body.

It's called "death in absentia," and many people have been prosecuted and convicted without a body.


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Re: poll: you are facing 100+ years for crimes [Re: Crystal G]
    #23699085 - 10/02/16 02:50 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I understand they can deduce a person is dead but you're missing my entire point.  How can you prove the person died as the result of a murder? with no body.

Yes we can show she's dead but with out a body you can't prove how that person died and since you can't prove how the person died you can't prove murder was the cause of death.  Let alone convict a person for doing the murder when the state has no evidence a murder took place at all.


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Re: poll: you are facing 100+ years for crimes [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #23699090 - 10/02/16 02:53 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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I understand they can deduce a person is dead but you're missing my entire point.  How can you prove the person died as the result of a murder? with no body.

Yes we can show she's dead but with out a body you can't prove how that person died and since you can't prove how the person died you can't prove murder was the cause of death.  Let alone convict a person for doing the murder when the state has no evidence a murder took place at all.




Like I said, it's called circumstantial evidence, plenty of people have been prosecuted and imprisoned for trials based solely on circumstantial evidence. Scott Peterson was one of these more famous cases of this happening.

Even though they never found Laci Peterson's body, the jury deduced that she must be dead because pregnant women almost never voluntarily go missing, and Scott Peterson had been going around telling women he was a widower, and he had also sold her possessions indicating that he wasn't expecting her to return.


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Re: poll: you are facing 100+ years for crimes [Re: Crystal G]
    #23699095 - 10/02/16 02:56 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Not only that, but there are also many cases where the body is found eventually, but the body is so badly decomposed that you cannot tell how the person died. Yet somebody could still be prosecuted and found guilty for murder despite lack of known cause of death.


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Re: poll: you are facing 100+ years for crimes [Re: Crystal G]
    #23699098 - 10/02/16 02:59 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

All a defense attorney has to do is point out no evidence exists a murder was the cause of death in this case, let alone that my client did it.  Right there is reasonable doubt, case closed.

If a jury convicts on circumstantial evidence the defense lawyer didn't do their job IMO.


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Re: poll: you are facing 100+ years for crimes [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #23699104 - 10/02/16 03:06 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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All a defense attorney has to do is point out no evidence exists a murder was the cause of death in this case, let alone that my client did it.  Right there is reasonable doubt, case closed.

If a jury convicts on circumstantial evidence the defense lawyer didn't do their job IMO.




Literally that's what every defense attorney in this case does, it doesn't always work however.

It depends on who you kill too. If you kill somebody who's a homeless person or a drug addict or mentally ill, it's very easy to argue and claim that this person was unstable and ran away on their own volition. But if you kill somebody who's a stay-at-home mother or a child, it becomes more difficult to claim that these people ran away and were clever enough and had sufficient motive to disappear without a trace.

I remember there was a famous case where a man was murdered while on a cruise for his honeymoon. His body "disappeared" while on the cruise in the middle of the ocean, and a pool of his blood was found on the ship somewhere. In this case, a lack of body makes it very obvious that he died--either it was an accident and he fell overboard, or he was murdered and then thrown overboard.


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Re: poll: you are facing 100+ years for crimes [Re: Ahab McBathsalts]
    #23700210 - 10/02/16 01:15 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Do you take the trial by jury or judge?



where's the bullet option?


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Re: poll: you are facing 100+ years for crimes [Re: Ahab McBathsalts]
    #23700219 - 10/02/16 01:17 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Never answered OP:

Trial by combat


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