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OfflineJaegar
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Re: Synchronicity involving LSD [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #23715887 - 10/07/16 10:26 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Ok sure it's fluffy and sounds eloquent. Do we have any concrete or special examples to relate to?


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Re: Synchronicity involving LSD [Re: Jaegar]
    #23716010 - 10/07/16 11:09 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Of course there's no evidence or proof. Believing in synchronicity is no different from believing in God.

Synchronicities are sometimes enjoyable because they make a person feel connected with the Universe and they make life more interesting. People will believe all sorts of things without evidence if it makes them feel safe or good.


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Re: Synchronicity involving LSD [Re: Alexestalex] * 1
    #23716494 - 10/07/16 02:06 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

There is no evidence or proof, yet you've documented an unexplainable phenomenon that feels significant.  In that sense, you can look at things through some grumbly materialistic view and say "meh, it's just a coincidence" or you can fess up that you really don't know that much about the universe and most of the time are just guessing and marvel at the mystery of it all :shrug:.


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Re: Synchronicity involving LSD [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #23716733 - 10/07/16 03:29 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Just because something feels emotionally significant for a person doesn't mean there's actual significance.

I know people who pray to God and they are convinced that God is literally listening to their prayers. That is no different from being convinced that synchronicity is "real".


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Re: Synchronicity involving LSD [Re: Alexestalex]
    #23716743 - 10/07/16 03:33 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

You suspect there is no difference, because there is has yet to be any proof......  There very well could be a significant difference.  I mean, why make such bold assertions when you just don't know.  I'm not making any.


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Re: Synchronicity involving LSD [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #23716760 - 10/07/16 03:40 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I mean, If someone said that if you go to the top of Mount Everest and yell "Zeus", a pink dragon will fly down and swoop you up to Heaven, I'd say they are crazy. It might be true, I don't have any proof that it isn't but it's likely not. It's a simple case of Occam's Razor.


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Re: Synchronicity involving LSD [Re: Alexestalex]
    #23716824 - 10/07/16 03:59 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Yet many, many people have documented their experiences of synchronicity.  All I encourage is to take a multi-model approach towards unexplained phenomena.  Think of at least 5 or 10 alternatives to it being man asserting some sort of order where there is none to feel safe or good.  Consider that answer might be wrong, that there might still be something to learn here.


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I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too.  If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.


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Re: Synchronicity involving LSD [Re: Alexestalex] * 1
    #23717756 - 10/07/16 08:45 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Alexestalex said:
Of course there's no evidence or proof. Believing in synchronicity is no different from believing in God.

Synchronicities are sometimes enjoyable because they make a person feel connected with the Universe and they make life more interesting. People will believe all sorts of things without evidence if it makes them feel safe or good.



I bet there are ways to prove synchronicity.
I wouldn't really call it a belief either.


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Re: Synchronicity involving LSD [Re: hTx] * 1
    #23720218 - 10/08/16 06:02 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Synchronicities are by definition nothing more and nothing less than meaningful coincidences, and they happen all the time. If you are smart, you take notice of such coincidences and learn from them why they caught your attention. If you are not so smart, you may go down the road thinking synchronicity is a great reason to waste your time figuring out things like casinos, dating sites, horoscopes, metaphysical quantum spirituality, etc.

And yes, all of my major LSD and shroom trips so far have been associated with lots of synchronicities both before and after the trip itself. It's still a weird experience, but after a while those aspects of it began to be something familiar and anticipated actually.


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Re: Synchronicity involving LSD [Re: Rhizoid]
    #23721325 - 10/09/16 06:35 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Rhizoid said:
Synchronicities are by definition nothing more and nothing less than meaningful coincidences, and they happen all the time. If you are smart, you take notice of such coincidences and learn from them why they caught your attention. If you are not so smart, you may go down the road thinking synchronicity is a great reason to waste your time figuring out things like casinos, dating sites, horoscopes, metaphysical quantum spirituality, etc.

And yes, all of my major LSD and shroom trips so far have been associated with lots of synchronicities both before and after the trip itself. It's still a weird experience, but after a while those aspects of it began to be something familiar and anticipated actually.



good summary


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Re: Synchronicity involving LSD [Re: redgreenvines]
    #23728605 - 10/11/16 03:20 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

also interesting to consider that the symptoms of 'classic' paranoia are essentially perceiving synchronicity or connections where there is/are none.

like wise folks who hold various positive beliefs, may also be influenced by unconscious bias.

I have heard it said, that there are altered states where there are extrordiary feelings of flow. Many martial arts aim for this. But it is not the same. This is not about hidden meanings or feeling special. On the contrary it happens when egoic involvement is reduced.

Likewise gamblers talk about winning streaks and knowing you can't lose or miss. (for them the trick is knowing ahead of time when it's about to be over - before it ends) - but again they don't look for hidden meanings - or care about being special - if they pocket profits that's enough.


from wiki:

"Ideas of reference and delusions of reference describe the phenomenon of an individual's experiencing innocuous events or mere coincidences[1] and believing they have strong personal significance.[2] It is "the notion that everything one perceives in the world relates to one's own destiny."[3]

In psychiatry, delusions of reference form part of the diagnostic criteria for psychotic illnesses such as schizophrenia,[4] delusional disorder, or bipolar disorder (during the elevated stages of mania). To a lesser extent, it can be a hallmark of paranoid personality disorder. Such symptoms can also be caused by intoxication, especially with hallucinogens or stimulants like methamphetamine."


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Re: Synchronicity involving LSD [Re: laughingdog]
    #23728665 - 10/11/16 03:43 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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laughingdog said:
also interesting to consider that the symptoms of 'classic' paranoia are essentially perceiving synchronicity or connections where there is/are none.

like wise folks who hold various positive beliefs, may also be influenced by unconscious bias.

I have heard it said, that there are altered states where there are extrordiary feelings of flow. Many martial arts aim for this. But it is not the same. This is not about hidden meanings or feeling special. On the contrary it happens when egoic involvement is reduced.

Likewise gamblers talk about winning streaks and knowing you can't lose or miss. (for them the trick is knowing ahead of time when it's about to be over - before it ends) - but again they don't look for hidden meanings - or care about being special - if they pocket profits that's enough.


from wiki:

"Ideas of reference and delusions of reference describe the phenomenon of an individual's experiencing innocuous events or mere coincidences[1] and believing they have strong personal significance.[2] It is "the notion that everything one perceives in the world relates to one's own destiny."[3]

In psychiatry, delusions of reference form part of the diagnostic criteria for psychotic illnesses such as schizophrenia,[4] delusional disorder, or bipolar disorder (during the elevated stages of mania). To a lesser extent, it can be a hallmark of paranoid personality disorder. Such symptoms can also be caused by intoxication, especially with hallucinogens or stimulants like methamphetamine."





"from wiki"

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Re: Synchronicity involving LSD [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #23744234 - 10/16/16 11:30 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

On DMT i had a chain reaction of synchronicities take place which was focused on a specific idea and i had voices in my head talking to me and coaching me through these concepts and ideas.

Im really interested in accounts of psychedelics effecting synchronicity.

My personal experience was much too complex and poetic to be ALL delusions of reference i strongly feel, although i was experiencing pattern detection problems from an overdrive of patternicity so i was seeing patterns in noise but most of that was just psychosis-type jumping to conclusions. But i cannot deny that the peak of the experience and episode had some sort of meaning.

it was as if i was seeing some higher dimensional symmetry in events which seemed random but were clearly linked.

I understand if it is just one coincidence, but multiple ones which were all connected to narrating voices to keep my mind on a specific path and the creepy realization that if any one of the events happened differently at all then i would not have stayed thinking the things i did.

Call me delusional but i think it is a mistake to discredit synchronicities from psychedelics to all be delusions of reference without actually studying it.

surely to god we can develop an interactive experiment to study this.


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Re: Synchronicity involving LSD [Re: Rhizoid] * 1
    #23744267 - 10/16/16 11:55 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Rhizoid said:
Synchronicities are by definition nothing more and nothing less than meaningful coincidences, and they happen all the time. If you are smart, you take notice of such coincidences and learn from them why they caught your attention. If you are not so smart, you may go down the road thinking synchronicity is a great reason to waste your time figuring out things like casinos, dating sites, horoscopes, metaphysical quantum spirituality, etc.

And yes, all of my major LSD and shroom trips so far have been associated with lots of synchronicities both before and after the trip itself. It's still a weird experience, but after a while those aspects of it began to be something familiar and anticipated actually.




When I experience synchronicity, I suspect that it was already out there, I just merely wasn't paying attention because I was in my own humdrum trance.  Everything significant to me was ripe for the picking, it's only when it became a discovery to me that it suddenly started appearing all over the place.


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If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care.

It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence.

I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too.  If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.


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