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Lipa Kreepa
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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: MoonFarmer]
#25275178 - 06/17/18 07:18 PM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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MoonFarmer said: Isn't the Rifat clone Thai in origin, and the Bumblebee came from Vietnamese seed?
Ive heard similar. BB was my first and its still my favorite. Though idk, this year the rifat has really earned my respect. Gotta do some trannys soon! I feel like im missing valuble time here, waiting once my check comes in this week, whatever money is left after bills, is going to get a big garbage bag full of perlite from the hydrostore. I tranny'd a tomato plant earlier w just FF and coco and it just didnt feel the same. Had good drainage and was loaded w ammendments, but still it made me cry a little :eternalsadness:
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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: Lipa Kreepa]
#25275714 - 06/18/18 01:59 AM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yeah the story of the Rifat clone is that french/swiss biologist Claude Rifat brought seeds back from Thailand for Torsten at SAB. He harvested the seeds on a tree that grows in the Chulalongkorn University.
Once the seeds were brought back to Australia, Torsten asked Darklight to work on germinating the seeds in vitro and do tissue culture work with it to mass propagate. Germination rate was low and only one sprout survived and was succesfully micro-propagated, and this is the current Rifat clone.
Full story by Darklight: http://www.shaman-australis.com/forum/index.php?/topic/45112-endedgiveaway-fresh-kratom-seeds-from-malaysia-mitragyna-speciosa/&do=findComment&comment=556285
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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: MeanGreen]
#25276208 - 06/18/18 09:08 AM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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Was wondering what size my seedlings should be before trying to transplant. A lot of them have just got their second leaves.
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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: Psilosion]
#25276238 - 06/18/18 09:33 AM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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Psilosion said: Was wondering what size my seedlings should be before trying to transplant. A lot of them have just got their second leaves.

Id let them go a little longer. Youll know when. They are still too small.
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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: ferrel_human]
#25276258 - 06/18/18 09:50 AM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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Makes sense, they are so tiny. I'll wait another couple weeks.
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Micaele
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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: Psilosion]
#25276435 - 06/18/18 11:52 AM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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What strain are those, Psilosion? You can probably wait another 2-3 months before you touch those. It's not too hard separating those even if they're growing really close to one another. Touching them right now won't do them any good, except making it easier for you later on.
I replanted these ones today from 2x2" pots. I should probably have replanted them quite some time ago, but they seem to be growing fine still
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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: MeanGreen]
#25276443 - 06/18/18 12:00 PM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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MeanGreen said: Yeah the story of the Rifat clone is that french/swiss biologist Claude Rifat brought seeds back from Thailand for Torsten at SAB. He harvested the seeds on a tree that grows in the Chulalongkorn University.
Once the seeds were brought back to Australia, Torsten asked Darklight to work on germinating the seeds in vitro and do tissue culture work with it to mass propagate. Germination rate was low and only one sprout survived and was succesfully micro-propagated, and this is the current Rifat clone.
Full story by Darklight: http://www.shaman-australis.com/forum/index.php?/topic/45112-endedgiveaway-fresh-kratom-seeds-from-malaysia-mitragyna-speciosa/&do=findComment&comment=556285
Thats where i read it, was so long ago now i thought it was Bumblebee but i remembered wrong then. Wasn´t Bublebee the first clone to be cultivated and grown outside of their native areas?
It´s quite clear that the years growing outside of SE Asia has made both Bumblebee and Riafat more hardy and cold resistant.
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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: Psilosion]
#25276449 - 06/18/18 12:05 PM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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Psilosion said: Was wondering what size my seedlings should be before trying to transplant. A lot of them have just got their second leaves.

You don´t need to transplant until crowding starts to be a problem. But you can transplant when they are about 2cm between leaf edges if you want put them in a soilmix with little fertlizer in it. After they reach that size they grow fast and need a pot for each seedling.
Micaele, your Mitragynas seem to grow good outside in the greenhouse. I have most of mine indoors but have put a few Riafats in the greenhouse as well. The Riafats in the greenhouse seem to get very small red dots on the leaf and they also get a hardgrown look. I hope the red dots isnt going to become a problem. Little strange they only get those outside in the greenhouse, it cant be a soil issue. Maybe temp or humidity related.
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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: Micaele]
#25276459 - 06/18/18 12:20 PM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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Could likely be a temperature issue. I had troubles sleeping tonight (Didn't actually sleep a single minute) so I went out to the greenhouse a couple of hours before work, at 03.00 and the temperature in there was only 12°C and the heater was running. It's running when the temperature is below 13-14°C inside the greenhouse. So I guess it could've been probably 10°C in your greenhouse which is a bit on the low side
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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: Psilosion]
#25276469 - 06/18/18 12:27 PM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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Psilosion said: Was wondering what size my seedlings should be before trying to transplant. A lot of them have just got their second leaves.

On the left is Thai Red Vein, and the right is Green Malay. Sounds good on waiting a while to separate them. I put 2 drops of superthrive in a spray bottle and have been misting them every few days with it.
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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: Psilosion]
#25276506 - 06/18/18 12:52 PM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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Malaysian Red/Thai red vein and Green Malay seems very popular to grow from seeds nowadays. That is quite strange, or what do you think Micaele?
 
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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: Mateo]
#25276572 - 06/18/18 01:26 PM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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Purely a coinkydink.
I forgot to say. During this replanting, I put half of them in a much lower pH than the rest. I don't have a pH meter but going from the soil mix I did, I'd say one is about 5.0 and the other one 6.0. When I sow them, I've used a pH of 5.5 with great success, let's see if 1pH makes any difference when bigger. I guess it's hard to say when there's a limited amount of plants, but there's about 20 plants in each soil mix.
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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: Micaele]
#25276676 - 06/18/18 02:24 PM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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You might can see a trend in that one of the groups grows little faster or have other differences as darker, more healthy looking leafs.
It´s tests like this that can make us better mitragyna growers. Be sure to write about any findings you discover Micaele.
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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: Micaele]
#25276697 - 06/18/18 02:31 PM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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Micaele said: Purely a coinkydink.
I forgot to say. During this replanting, I put half of them in a much lower pH than the rest. I don't have a pH meter but going from the soil mix I did, I'd say one is about 5.0 and the other one 6.0. When I sow them, I've used a pH of 5.5 with great success, let's see if 1pH makes any difference when bigger. I guess it's hard to say when there's a limited amount of plants, but there's about 20 plants in each soil mix.
Glad to have you back buddy. Another fine European in our midst.
Whats with the change in ph? An adjustment? Just to shock? Seems something cool. I just go total acidity. Spread coffee grounds and water in. My bumble be loves it.
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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: ferrel_human]
#25276745 - 06/18/18 02:50 PM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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Micaele said: Purely a coinkydink.
I forgot to say. During this replanting, I put half of them in a much lower pH than the rest. I don't have a pH meter but going from the soil mix I did, I'd say one is about 5.0 and the other one 6.0. When I sow them, I've used a pH of 5.5 with great success, let's see if 1pH makes any difference when bigger. I guess it's hard to say when there's a limited amount of plants, but there's about 20 plants in each soil mix.
Glad to have you back buddy. Another fine European in our midst.
Whats with the change in ph? An adjustment? Just to shock? Seems something cool. I just go total acidity. Spread coffee grounds and water in. My bumble be loves it.
Thank you for the nice words 
I'm moving across country in a August, and won't be able to bring tons of plants, I thought I'd try it out to see if I would notice any difference. I've heard from one source, fairly reliable, that they like their pH around 5.0, but on the other hand I've seen plenty of people growing it in slightly less than 7. Just wanted to know how to maximize my growth after I'm moving into a small apartment. I'm going to try to bring 1 Rifat, 2 Green Malay and 2 Red Malay, and the rest I'll just flog.
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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: Micaele]
#25276826 - 06/18/18 03:26 PM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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Damn man wish there could be somebody close so as not to let the rest of those babies go. Goodluck with your trip and dont forget about us.
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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: ferrel_human]
#25278297 - 06/19/18 07:25 AM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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I think they can tolerate quite different PHs. But the more acidic, the easier it is for them to take up certain important compounds that they need for good growth.
Too bad to discard all those lovely ethno plants. Don´t you have a friend nearby that share your botanical intrest and that you can give them to? Im too far away and don´t have a car now. And it´s already full in my house and garden.
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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: Mateo]
#25278355 - 06/19/18 08:04 AM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yeah, it feels a bit sad to have to throw them away, but luckily I've got plenty of seeds to regrow them. I've asked my friends earlier if they would be interested in any plant and I've gotten the response "Will I have to water them each week?". My plants deserve better. I'll cook some tea out of my homegrown kratom leaves now. Though dosage discussion isn't really supposed to be done in this forum, I'll reply with dosage and effect in a bit. When will you get a car Mateo?
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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: Poison Drink]
#25279011 - 06/19/18 03:05 PM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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Poison Drink said: One of my Kratom cuttings suddenly lost three of its lower leaves in one day. Not sure what could have caused this. They were moved from the mini greenhouse in a window sill to my grow tent.
.. So they probably got infested with spider mites, like the rest of the plants in my grow tent. They are difficult to notice with the naked eye, when they're not building their webs yet. I might need to buy a magnifying glass for this purpose. The Krat's are still chugging along though. They could use a repotting shortly, I'd say.
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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: Poison Drink]
#25279040 - 06/19/18 03:19 PM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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Poison Drink said:
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Poison Drink said: One of my Kratom cuttings suddenly lost three of its lower leaves in one day. Not sure what could have caused this. They were moved from the mini greenhouse in a window sill to my grow tent.
.. So they probably got infested with spider mites, like the rest of the plants in my grow tent. They are difficult to notice with the naked eye, when they're not building their webs yet. I might need to buy a magnifying glass for this purpose. The Krat's are still chugging along though. They could use a repotting shortly, I'd say.

Yeah yeah buddy they need a transplant. Very nice again. You're doing a great job with all of them.
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