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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: Psilosion] * 1
    #25111540 - 04/03/18 04:41 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

Why might that be?


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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: pinedownpioneer]
    #25111559 - 04/03/18 04:47 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

I would make a clone of a cutting if I ever ran into one. :tongue:


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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: Psilosion]
    #25111583 - 04/03/18 04:58 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

How about buy or trade for a cutting?
Or buy/trade for seeds?


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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: Mateo]
    #25111674 - 04/03/18 05:35 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

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Trades and "hookups" are not allowed here.





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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: Psilosion]
    #25111745 - 04/03/18 06:06 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

No trades or hookups allowed in this forum. Read our rules if you haven't. Thanks.


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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: karode13]
    #25111758 - 04/03/18 06:12 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

We have a marketplace where you can look or post.


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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: Mateo]
    #25111771 - 04/03/18 06:20 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

Sorry about that, I didn't mean for it to look like I was trying to trade on here. I do plan on going to the Marketplace.


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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: Psilosion]
    #25111801 - 04/03/18 06:35 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

It's all good. We're not too draconian in this forum. Welcome!


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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: karode13]
    #25112300 - 04/03/18 09:52 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

Bumble bee is coming out of dormancy real nicely now. Had a really bad aphid infestation for a while.


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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: ferrel_human]
    #25113063 - 04/04/18 08:03 AM (5 years, 9 months ago)

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Bumble bee is coming out of dormancy real nicely now. Had a really bad aphid infestation for a while.





Thats awesome to hear its doing well ferrel, I can't believe I haven't had issues with aphids.  Every plant every year would be at risk, always keeping neem on hand, but the kratom plants?  I can count how many aphids I've see on my kratom plants over years, I don't know why but they seem more interested in my peppers then my kratom.  My biggest bug problem was caterpillar's for a while but not so much anymore, I still get one here and there but I spent hours taking many off once.  My bumble bee is doing nicely to, growth from established branches has resumed and I can count over 35 new tips coming out all over, even some of the really thick hard wood at the trunk.  Heres a pic of one of the many new tips, so fragile looking, & one of the branches that split into 3 this spring, you can see the red rim/spots are not present on the new growth.


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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: Canharo] * 1
    #25115949 - 04/05/18 01:30 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

@Canharo
That trichotomous split is nice. My largest Rifat has done a dichotomous split. I'm guessing yours is plenty bigger than mine, how old is it?

@shmizzle
Very well growed!
Did you grow it from cutting?


@ferrel_human
Just like Mateo, I'm jealous of you people who have the climate to grow your plants outside


My seed tray has been looking awful the past week. It's been looking like this


Decided to move around bunch of plants in my growing room and found a good spot for them. So a few repots later I ended up with this


I would like to repot more of them, as there are still a few pots with ~50 tiny mitragynas in, but there's just no space for them. I'll just keep them and see what happens for now.

Checked in with the repotted plants 10 hours later to see how many I killed
Lookin' good! Slow down!


Noticed this incredibly red growth on a specimen. Too much light is my best guess, I'll have to shade them a bit. Looks cool though


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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: Micaele]
    #25116130 - 04/05/18 02:58 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

For folks that live in zones 9b (I'm around northern/central california), long hot summers and cool winters with temps typically bottoming out around 27f to 30f during just a handful of nights through out the winter, what's the general plan or course of action for growing out these trees?


I'm assuming I'd never be able to put it in the ground permanently or keep it outdoors during the winter?...Or is it even hardier than I think? If the tree was able to survive for several years, what would one do as the tree starts to become bigger?.....Is turning it into a relatively short/bushy bonzai in a large pot a possible route?


I really want to grow some kratom, this leaf is my medicine and I dread the day it becomes banned....I know folks have said kratom can withstand some cool temps pretty well, but for those of you that live in a climate similar to mine (or one that's even colder during winter) what is your long term plans/course of action for growing out these trees? Or for those with knowledge about growing out this tree, could you maybe suggest basic long term plan for growing this tree in my climate?







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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: Micaele]
    #25116188 - 04/05/18 03:24 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

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@Canharo
That trichotomous split is nice. My largest Rifat has done a dichotomous split. I'm guessing yours is plenty bigger than mine, how old is it?

@shmizzle
Very well growed!
Did you grow it from cutting?


@ferrel_human
Just like Mateo, I'm jealous of you people who have the climate to grow your plants outside


My seed tray has been looking awful the past week. It's been looking like this


Decided to move around bunch of plants in my growing room and found a good spot for them. So a few repots later I ended up with this


I would like to repot more of them, as there are still a few pots with ~50 tiny mitragynas in, but there's just no space for them. I'll just keep them and see what happens for now.

Checked in with the repotted plants 10 hours later to see how many I killed
Lookin' good! Slow down!


Noticed this incredibly red growth on a specimen. Too much light is my best guess, I'll have to shade them a bit. Looks cool though





Thanks Micaele your plants are looking great, this particular bumble bee cutting is a probley around a year and a half old & yeah its happening all over this spring so I'm hoping this is the year things take off, my big Rifat never recovered a year ago so I just got bumble bee now.  I'll aquire another soon, theres a guy about two hours away with beautiful trees and cuttings for sale.  Between the branching & all the new shoots coming the base of the trunk it looks like a new tree.  I'll take a pic in another week or two and post the picture of it & one after I repotted it at the start of spring, its been hot & humid here and she's loving it


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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: Canharo]
    #25116257 - 04/05/18 03:59 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

Openmind I live in zone 9b. This year we had two bouts of abnormal freezing weather. It snowed 3" or 4" one night and another front brought freezing rain/ice, 20+mph wind, and low-mid 20 degree weather and below freezing for 48hrs. I took measures to save my plants. I wrapped blankets and pipe insulation around the trunks, huddled all my plants in tubs around the in ground trees and made a small wind break that was only 5ft high and did not cover the canopy but completely circled the huddle of plants, I placed two 'oil-filled radiant heaters' inside the wind break turned them on high and prayed. My biggest trees died back to stumps all the way to where they were protected with blankets. I lost some small 6" clones and a couple 2ft tall ones that had chlorosis prior to winter. Overall it was a major success. I was sure the ice storm was going to kill all of them.

Buy your oil filled radiant heaters, pipe insulation, plastic sheeting, and T posts now to those of you growing kratom outside without a green house.

Make sure to correct any nutrient or bug problems ASAP especially before they start to go 'dormant'/growth slows down.

Micaele that seedling looks great. All my trees grow red veins then transition to green/white as the leaf ages. All my trees growing back from the freeze have incredibly dark leafs veins and all. But they are happy and healthy as ever. I only worry when I see my leafs starting to lose that dark green color turning to a lime green then yellow if the chlorosis gets to severe.


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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: pinedownpioneer] * 1
    #25116307 - 04/05/18 04:31 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

Looking great Micaele! The red tip is normal in my experience, absolutely nothing to worry about I wouldn't shade them. New leaves always start super red and green-out as they emerge. And the little part that covers new growth usually stays red then dries out. All my Rifats are like that (or were, in their glory days...).


While genetics don't necessarily dictate vein color it definitely plays a role. Check out how red my Red Indo gets:


Today I noticed a couple of my Rifat stumps I cut back throwing new growth, but unfortunately I think the 2 bigger ones are a lost cause :frown:


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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: MeanGreen]
    #25116980 - 04/05/18 09:03 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

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My seed tray has been looking awful the past week. It's been looking like this


Decided to move around bunch of plants in my growing room and found a good spot for them. So a few repots later I ended up with this


I would like to repot more of them, as there are still a few pots with ~50 tiny mitragynas in, but there's just no space for them. I'll just keep them and see what happens for now.

Checked in with the repotted plants 10 hours later to see how many I killed
Lookin' good! Slow down!


Noticed this incredibly red growth on a specimen. Too much light is my best guess, I'll have to shade them a bit. Looks cool though





Overgrown are we? I love them all. Thabks for the gift..



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Looking great Micaele! The red tip is normal in my experience, absolutely nothing to worry about I wouldn't shade them. New leaves always start super red and green-out as they emerge. And the little part that covers new growth usually stays red then dries out. All my Rifats are like that (or were, in their glory days...).


While genetics don't necessarily dictate vein color it definitely plays a role. Check out how red my Red Indo gets:


Today I noticed a couple of my Rifat stumps I cut back throwing new growth, but unfortunately I think the 2 bigger ones are a lost cause :frown:





Love the red buddy. Sorry about the rifatss.

On another note, ill make this quick and simple. I work 14 days straight and rest for 14 days. So if my comments are short and to the point, ita because im at work and have very little time to myself. Have a great day amd i love you all. :heart:


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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: pinedownpioneer]
    #25118952 - 04/06/18 04:49 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

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Openmind I live in zone 9b. This year we had two bouts of abnormal freezing weather. It snowed 3" or 4" one night and another front brought freezing rain/ice, 20+mph wind, and low-mid 20 degree weather and below freezing for 48hrs. I took measures to save my plants. I wrapped blankets and pipe insulation around the trunks, huddled all my plants in tubs around the in ground trees and made a small wind break that was only 5ft high and did not cover the canopy but completely circled the huddle of plants, I placed two 'oil-filled radiant heaters' inside the wind break turned them on high and prayed. My biggest trees died back to stumps all the way to where they were protected with blankets. I lost some small 6" clones and a couple 2ft tall ones that had chlorosis prior to winter. Overall it was a major success. I was sure the ice storm was going to kill all of them....






Right on!...Cool to hear this tree can withstand some relatively harsh conditions (given that they're protected a bit).


Where I live we never get weather anywhere near that harsh...it doesn't snow here other than some random flakes falling briefly once every 10+ years. During any typical winter we have a few dozen frosty mornings and an occasional freeze but even when we get sub-freezing temps it's only for a few hours during the late night/early morning hours. Everything thaws out shortly after sunrise, it's rarely at or below freezing for more than 10 hours over night, usually just a few hours of frosty/freezing temps.










What I'm wondering about, though, is the long term.....and these questions are for anybody in the thread....Ultimately what is your plan with your trees? As they get larger it'd become more difficult to cover and protect them from freezing temps, so what do you plan on doing as your trees grow large? Are yours planted in the ground? Do you plan to put them in the ground? If your trees survive, where will they be in 5 to 10+ years?  Can these trees be kept in super large pots/containers?



Do young/small trees produce any alkaloid? Or do they have to become larger & more mature before the leafs are rich?



Since I see my self moving at least once or twice over the next ten years, if/when I do get some kratom trees growing I can't put them in the ground anywhere any time soon...I have this basic idea of having a few kratom trees in very large pots/containers on my back porch, keeping them relatively small/moderate in size so I can cover them easily during winter and move them around relatively easily when ever I move somewhere else, growing them into more of a bush/shrub/bonzai if possible...I'm wondering if this tree can be kept in a container/grown like that and if it will produce alkaloids?







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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: Micaele]
    #25119067 - 04/06/18 05:24 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

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Noticed this incredibly red growth on a specimen. Too much light is my best guess, I'll have to shade them a bit. Looks cool though





The red growth is normal.
It sometimes looks like that, it can be even more red.

Red vein strain have much of the very red growth sometimes.


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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: openmind]
    #25119187 - 04/06/18 06:03 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

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What I'm wondering about, though, is the long term.....and these questions are for anybody in the thread....Ultimately what is your plan with your trees? As they get larger it'd become more difficult to cover and protect them from freezing temps, so what do you plan on doing as your trees grow large? Are yours planted in the ground? Do you plan to put them in the ground? If your trees survive, where will they be in 5 to 10+ years?  Can these trees be kept in super large pots/containers?



Do young/small trees produce any alkaloid? Or do they have to become larger & more mature before the leafs are rich?



Since I see my self moving at least once or twice over the next ten years, if/when I do get some kratom trees growing I can't put them in the ground anywhere any time soon...I have this basic idea of having a few kratom trees in very large pots/containers on my back porch, keeping them relatively small/moderate in size so I can cover them easily during winter and move them around relatively easily when ever I move somewhere else, growing them into more of a bush/shrub/bonzai if possible...I'm wondering if this tree can be kept in a container/grown like that and if it will produce alkaloids?







-OM


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Container grown plants are rich in alkaloids. You don't need big trees to obtain this. Getting a cutting/clone from an already mature plant will ensure the alkaloid profile is strong. Clones carry the mother plants chemical profile. Kratom can be cut back to help keep the plants manageable. Probably wise to renew the plants from cuttings every 4-5 years, this will help with not having massive pots to move around and will keep the growth vigorous.


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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: karode13]
    #25119263 - 04/06/18 06:35 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)



repoted my seedling. been dropping the older leaves but seems to be getting faster at putting out new leaves, also sprouted a basal offshoot.


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