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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: Micaele]
#25042548 - 03/06/18 10:03 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yup super saturated worm castings is the key to high success no maintenence cloning. I've had cuttings sit in a tub of saturated worm poo for months and they loved it.
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Your seedlings are looking very big and healthy Micaele. I can´t understand how you get them this big so quickly. Maybe it´s that LED of yours that they like. I have mine under a 200W blue spectrum CFL bulb.
I got a new 1200W LED and soon also a 450W dual spectrum CFL that im going to use for cactuses. I might try stick some mitragynas under these also to see if they like it more.
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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: Mateo]
#25043215 - 03/06/18 02:42 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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I follow the growers advice and what I'm reading on the interwebs. What soil are you using? I'm using this one, it works great for cacti and Mitragyna seedlings
 For you none-swedish speakers, this is a propagation soil with pH 5.5-6.5
When they've grown to a few inches I'm adding some if this. The ratio, I would say is about 60/15/15, propagation soil/sour soil/Urn soil. That seems to work
 
The seedlings are quite far away from the 300w (114 real watt) lamp. About 60cm below and 30cm to the side, so they don't get that much lightning. I would like to move them a bit closer, but the tomato, bell pepper & jalapeño needs the light more for now. 1200W, seems insane, I'm guessing you're going to put them far away from that. By the way, I talked on the phone to the Malaysian grower yesterday, sent him pictures of your Mitragynas that had some marks on them. He said the following
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its seems like lack of light and its must be humid enough
Next time I move I'll definitely get some more light. I'm quite happy with the 300w Mars, but it doesn't cover enough area.
It may be possible to see in the RM pot, but I tried grinding the soil through a fine strainer, to get that extremely powderish soil. I think that's the reason it took so long for the seeds to sprout. Everyone else who've grown the Red Malay from that batch seems to have gotten sprouts within a week where as it has taken quite some time before something happened to me. Live and learn I guess
I'm tempted to put my big Rifat (bought as plant, not cutting though - seed grown), which is about 30cm high in a hydroponic system. But I wouldn't want to screw that one up.
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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: Micaele]
#25043267 - 03/06/18 03:11 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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I use seedling/kaktus soil too but i don´t think mine has any added fertilizer as yours do. Maybe thats the key to your nice growth. I think i had some kind of bugs or sickness in that one mini greenhouse with the mitragyna seedlings. The reason i think this is that my other tray with TRV or RV is growing very nicely just beside the the other mini greenhouse. And in the RV tray they are growing very good under same conditions. And i don´t think it´s too little light, maybe too much. They are placed 40-50cm from 200W CFL, directly under the bulb with reflector. So maybe too much light, garanteed not too little. Maybee it´s heat, I got about 32-34 degrees C if i now can trust that cheap analog temp meter. But i got 2 and both show this temp.
Maybe i try add some fertilizer in the water, like a half dose or something and see if it makes some difference.
By the way, that 1200W LED is a cheap china LED, draws 135Watts. so it aint no 1200Watts superlight. Probably little stronger than your 300W Mars LED, thats all. It´s a shame those LED selling scums lie about the output power. But it was cheap so i pretend it said 150W LED and hope it works OK. I have thought of getting some 1000W HPS but it will get warm.
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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: Mateo]
#25047253 - 03/07/18 07:53 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Micale, very nice photos before. That drenched tray of malaysians is very sexy indeed i see by the purple light that you are using LED lights. May i ask what the wattage is and how far away you hang it from the garden?
As for our current climate... i still think its too soon, its suppose to get 47F tonight im tempted to bring in my last plant w leaves :nailbitting:
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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: Lipa Kreepa]
#25057666 - 03/12/18 04:25 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Lipa Kreepa said: Micale, very nice photos before. That drenched tray of malaysians is very sexy indeed i see by the purple light that you are using LED lights. May i ask what the wattage is and how far away you hang it from the garden?
As for our current climate... i still think its too soon, its suppose to get 47F tonight im tempted to bring in my last plant w leaves :nailbitting:
Thanks. That is a good observation, I'm using LED lights with about 110-120W at a distance of slighlt less than 1 meter. I would like to have it a bit closer to the mitragynas, but I've got to accommodate to the needs of the other plants.
The Mitragynas keep growing really quick and they've soon outgrown their new pots. I guess I shouldn't have put 4 in each container.
  
The one that I'm experimenting in hydroponics seems to be doing fine. I can't really tell if she's growing quicker or slower than the other ones yet. Time will tell

On the newer leaves, they have started to gain their characteristic veins on the underside. Makes me happy
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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: Micaele]
#25057693 - 03/12/18 05:08 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Micaele, your mitragyna seedlings look aewsome. They really look healthy and big. You must be doing everything right.
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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: Mateo]
#25057711 - 03/12/18 05:33 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Thank you. I have no idea what I'm doing right but it's working. The largest is now about 8cm from tip to tip When the temperature gets a bit warmer here, we could meet up and I could give you a few. I have too many
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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: Micaele]
#25057750 - 03/12/18 06:22 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Lipa Kreepa said: Micale, very nice photos before. That drenched tray of malaysians is very sexy indeed i see by the purple light that you are using LED lights. May i ask what the wattage is and how far away you hang it from the garden?
As for our current climate... i still think its too soon, its suppose to get 47F tonight im tempted to bring in my last plant w leaves :nailbitting:
Thanks. That is a good observation, I'm using LED lights with about 110-120W at a distance of slighlt less than 1 meter. I would like to have it a bit closer to the mitragynas, but I've got to accommodate to the needs of the other plants.
The Mitragynas keep growing really quick and they've soon outgrown their new pots. I guess I shouldn't have put 4 in each container.
  
The one that I'm experimenting in hydroponics seems to be doing fine. I can't really tell if she's growing quicker or slower than the other ones yet. Time will tell

On the newer leaves, they have started to gain their characteristic veins on the underside. Makes me happy
Beautiful seedlings Micaele. 
They do grow veey fast when thwy get going. They always have those long thin leaves when young and then they get the more kratom,look older. Im impressed buddy.
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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: ferrel_human]
#25058186 - 03/12/18 11:55 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Micaele, great plants buddy 
You should have less issues transplanting plants if you keep that set of roots more attached soil soil and covered. Use on or two spoons of appropriate size for this and scoop out a the part of soil that you believe contains the rootball as intact as possible.
I did a tiny version of that with 2 small green malay seedlings because I am expecting my germination tray to get a little overgrown and anticipate those same problems you had with entangled roots. They didn't flinch.
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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: Solipsis] 1
#25058292 - 03/12/18 12:57 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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This is how my mitragynas look now. Quite different from yours Micaele.
 The TRV/Malaysian red tray. About 1 to 1.5 cm wide maximum.
 These are a few i rescued from the infected mini greenhouse. Riafats, also 1 to 1.5cm wide.
This is the GM tray. It has some bug or fungus that affects the seedlings.
 They have totaly stopped growing and are turning brown, 5mm wide only when stopped growing. They looked so good from the start, germinated in high numbers. Soon they die and become soil again as the other mini greenhouse. It could be spridermites but it doesnt really look that way, maybe a fungus or algae.
Well i hope the larger ones make it. I will try sow some more and try again but i shall arrange another growarea so i dont have same problems again.
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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: ferrel_human]
#25058453 - 03/12/18 02:19 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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@Ferrel Thanks! Yea, I've heard. I've got a seed grown one (didn't sow it myself though), it's probably almost 1 year old and still have those pointy leaves. I guess they'll get more round come summer.
@Solipsis Thanks, I'm proud of 'em. Yea, I'll probably do that. Running out of space though, so I'm not sure how I'll solve having each plant in a different pot. Got some pictures of yours?
@Mateo Your Red Malay are bigger than mine are. I've got probably about 10 of them now though. So it's just a waiting game from now on. The container you have your Rifats in, do you have holes in the bottom? They're looking healthy with the exception of maybe one, that's a bit yellowish. All in all, they look good. Do your GM receive too much light perhaps? If I remember correctly you have about 30°C in the mini-growhouse? So the humidity should be good. It looks wet aswell. Don't know what's wrong really.
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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: Micaele]
#25058607 - 03/12/18 03:26 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Its some fungus or bug or similar, nothing to do with other parameters, im quite sure of that now. As one pot or tray can thrive but the one beside it stops grow and just dies. And everything is the same, it must be a bug, pest, sickness, mold, algae or similar. And the pots in the mini greenhouse where all mitragyna seedlings died, now some old mitragyna seeds have germinated in same pots and they look green and healthy again. Quite a case for sherlock holmes to look into. Maybe spray/soak everything with pyrethin spray to kill every bug around. Might not help with fungus though but worth a try. Dont think pyrethin damages seedlings. Maybe a soap water spray with some essential mint oils can be a milder but effective idea also. I wish we had neem oil here.
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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: Mateo]
#25063198 - 03/14/18 02:52 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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I've got to say. The hydroponic kratom seedling seems to be doing great. It's outgrowing the other seedlings that was in the same size as it was when it was transplanted from soil to kratky. I'll have to figure out how to do a good container that can hold more than mitragyna plant. I'd like to try to put atleast 10 more in hydroponic to see the difference
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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: Micaele]
#25063529 - 03/14/18 05:26 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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If you just use a bigger container with many holes in the lid for the glasswool and seedlings. And just fill with water + nutrients and an akvarium bubbler stone. And the airpump + hose.
I bet they grow at 3-5 times the speed of soil seedlings.
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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: Mateo]
#25064579 - 03/15/18 02:55 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yea, aerated water really helps when doing hydroponics. However, spacing is the problem. I'd like to have enough space to have a regular mini-greenhouse sized container with a clear plastic lid that I could put them in, but I'm already out of space. I'll have to wait untill I can move out the tomato plants to the greenhouse
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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: Micaele]
#25091836 - 03/26/18 12:17 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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A good buddy sent me a care package! Thank you so much

My clones got out of hand last year and my labelling wasnt as strong as it shouldve been... but im pretty sure this is a bumblebee making a come back the others are still in limbo... but at least theres this one 

My rifat that i over wintered is coming on strong started added calmag to my RO water and it seems like its helping to keep the veins green on my plant here.... just like it can help do w pot. So itll be interesting to see if it does better somehow this season w that potential deficiency covered 
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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: Lipa Kreepa]
#25091960 - 03/26/18 01:08 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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My rifat bit the dust. All dry so i took the stump out and planted a big cactus cut.
The bumble bee is growing all over the place . doing real well and i got several seedlings of green malay and red vein thai.
Yours look good buddy. Goodluck with them.
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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: ferrel_human]
#25092024 - 03/26/18 01:37 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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my condolences on the rifat man.
The future holds bright things. Think if the day when we're ALL rocking huge krat trees. I hope we get there
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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: ferrel_human]
#25092055 - 03/26/18 01:45 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Cool getting seeds Lipa , & agreed sorry to hear that Ferrel, I told you guys how devistating it was for me to lose my big rifat to last winter. I'm glad to say my bumble bee too is doing well since the transplant to the 45 gallon container & giving it a good feeding. All of the red rimming and red spots are not coming up on the newest growth, they're all but gone except a few that haven't been taken off yet. The new growth is extreamly hearty and healthy. Its putting put new shoots every where and splitting into three shoots all over. I'll take some pictures tomorrow when I'm in the garden
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