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Micaele
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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: Mateo]
#24982653 - 02/10/18 12:41 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Great news Mateo! I’m on the train, just passning your hometown as I write this. Hopefully some of my red veins will have sprouted when I get home. If we’re lucky you’ll also have a new strain of kratom within a month.
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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: Micaele]
#24984327 - 02/10/18 09:59 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Well said Karode. Nature shall prevail 
You guys you guys! Im impressed at the direction this thread has turned. For the longest time it was just clones and general maint of plant... i want to say that no one ever covered the germination/yungin phase of things. Thank you for your contribution. Sounds like yall have some good breeds to play around w
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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: Lipa Kreepa]
#24985157 - 02/11/18 08:04 AM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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None of the Red Malay has sprouted yet. Sowed a new batch today. The other Mitragynas are growing like crazy
Rifat
  The largest of those Rifats is at least 2cm from leaf tip to leaf tip and probably 1.5cm high. These were sown late October, so the growth rate has been really slow.
Green Malay
  These are about one month old, and are almost outgrowing the Rifats. At the top, the largest is around 1.5cm wide and some of them looks to be almost 2cm high. They gained all this length during the past few days when I was away from home. Do you think I can wait untill their fourth leaf set before I repot? They are currently at their second leaf set with some of them just starting to develop the third.
@Lipa Kreepa Yes, it's really nice that there is a large amount of seeds in circulation right now. Especially for us in Europe, since there's only been Rifat here for quite some time.
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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: Micaele]
#24985191 - 02/11/18 08:38 AM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Lovely seedlings, Micaele
Mine are not that big for sure. I wonder if the growth speed are this uneven or they favored some condition when you where away. Some of mine have begun looking little yellow, not that healthy green color. I wonder if letting the pots stand is some water is good in the long run. I will look at them this evening. What lightcycle are you using?
I think i will start preparing for some transplantation so they get an own mini pot. It´s probably easier do it sooner than later.
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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: Mateo]
#24985202 - 02/11/18 08:49 AM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Thank you Mateo!
My pots are almost standing in water. I'll fill it up .5-1cm in the tray, and a few days later when all the water is gone from the bottom of the tray, I refill. Maybe I've been lucky or maybe it's a good idea. I've heard from the grower that the key to success is lots of water, high humidity and good sun. He often points out that it's a swamp tree and that it likes to stand in water.
I have a theory about why they grew tall when I was away - Etiolation The ones who was going to take care of the plants said that they would turn on the light (why don't I just get a timer?) in the morning and turn it off in the evening. However, when I came home the lights were off and they felt cold as if they hadn't been on for atleast the past hour.
The lightcycle I use is - light goes on when I wake up, about 08.30 and turn them on (love the student life), and turn them off about 23.00, so it's about 14.5h of light each day.
Show some pictures of the seedlings. I probably have no idea what's wrong but maybe someone else knows.
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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: Micaele] 1
#24985426 - 02/11/18 10:46 AM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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So i just checked my seedlings. In the tray with both Riafats and GMs, the one where pots are standing in little water, some GM´s dont seem doing well. They arent healthy green and when looking closely the leafs aren´t smooth and you can tell their sick or something. I lifted the whole tray and saw a few dead mini flies in the water. I also saw a small white mold thing floating in the water. I discarded water and rinsed tray with water then sprayed with pure isopropanol alcohole. I also sprayed underside of pots with iso and wiped off. Now the tray stands without water for a day or so. My 3% peroxide seem to be too old, no fissing with bicarbonate so i will get new and spray seedlings with dilute, maybe 1% h2o2. Here are pics.
  The GMs that not look healthy
 Green Malays
  Riafats
 The new GM tray
 The new Red Vein, got about 15 now
 My first sowed Riafat The others are bigger even though this one is older.
You think it´s OK to spray some 3% peroxide (H2O2) on the seedlings or i go with lower %?
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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: Mateo]
#24985712 - 02/11/18 12:51 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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I think you should dilute the 3% about 4 times IIRC so the 1% sounds about right and i would really try to apply it differently in a less direct way on the seedlings themselves if possible.
I believe I have applied peroxide this way only once or twice because of gnats and it was fairly easy to avoid spraying the plant itself (1 big one vs many kratom seedlings)
Also it seems best to try it on a small patch first before you potentially harm them all.
It's amazing how small the kratom plants start!
Fortunately I have most of my pest / disease issues well under control at the moment, very happy about that! (Only some possible mild malnutrition here an there I think) Spent a lot of time on my plants lately...
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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: Solipsis]
#24992229 - 02/13/18 07:51 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Hey guys! You were all right. Today, after like 3 months of stagnation, I noticed new leaves starting to come out of their stipules! I'm very excited…
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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: Mateo] 1
#24992233 - 02/13/18 07:51 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Holt shit that's amazing.
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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: Plazmotech] 1
#24992921 - 02/14/18 03:05 AM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Okay. It was time to repot some of my Green Malays, as it had turned into a jungle. They're still fairly tiny, some about 2cm in diameter and about 2cm tall. The root system is incredibly tiny, as will be shown in a picture. I used a toothpick in order to get in between the stems, trying to scoop up the soil around 1-2 plants at a time.
This is how good the plants were looking before the operation

Carefully prying up the plants, this is how incredibly tiny the roots are. You can barely even see a transparent root on the top one.

Fresh soil, and a bit more space. Plant fits perfectly into the predigged hole
 
Even in this short time, I noticed the leaves starting to cave in. I replanted a total of 10 Green Malays as I suspect plenty of them will die. Lesson learned, spread the seeds out more.
Even the ones in the pot, where I dragged out the plants from, got their roots disturbed, which can clearly be seen if you compare it with the first picture.

The untouched Green Malays (from another pot)

At this point, I feel pretty sure that the ones that has been moved are gonners.
Rifat

Twenty minutes later Their're all up and running again, no more bent or hanging leaves. Amazing recovery speed. I'll let them sit for a few days and if they've still survived untill then, I may replant a few more in order to create some space for them to grow in.
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Plazmotech said: Hey guys! You were all right. Today, after like 3 months of stagnation, I noticed new leaves starting to come out of their stipules! I'm very excited…
My largest Rifat was really messed up for about the same length of time. But when I gave it a light source and a tee bit more water, it's started producing leaves again and even new branches. And it's barely even been a month where it's gone from a stick with about three tired leaves to what it is today. It's still not great, but a lot better.
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Mateo said:
 The new Red Vein, got about 15 now
What are you doing right? I've done the exact same thing with my Red Vein Thai/Red Malay as I did with my Green Malay, but not a single one has sprouted yet 
I've noticed that seedlings from fresh seeds, tend to be A LOT better to stand themselves up, compared to seedlings from older seeds, which tends to end up on the side, laying down. Is this just a coinkydink or is it any logic behind this?
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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: Micaele]
#24993800 - 02/14/18 12:20 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Looking very good Micaele
Yours are soo big compared to mine. At least doubble, probably more. I think the transplants will make it. I must also transplant mine soon. Im looking for some suitable pots or something to move them into. Getting crowded under my lights.
Strange your Red vein didnt sprout, try another batch if you have seeds left. Older seeds do seem to have bigger tendency to end up sideways and dont stand up. Mine never recover if like this.
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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: Mateo]
#24996194 - 02/15/18 10:45 AM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Finally one Red Malay has sprouted! Too tiny to show yet though.
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#25015568 - 02/23/18 09:47 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: ferrel_human]
#25018033 - 02/24/18 09:34 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Tiny log of what's happened with time stamps Some of these pictures have been posted before - sorry about that. Thought it'd be nice for people who's getting into growing kratom from seed to see the progress of the first days
Green Malay - Sown 15/1-18
Day 6 (21/1-18) Seeds are just starting to sprout

Day 7 (22/1-18) Even more seeds have sprouted

Day 10 (25/1-18) After 10 days, a few of the seedlings started to show development of their first real leaf set

Day 14 (29/1-18) - Two weeks since sown Plenty of the seedlings has started come a long way in the development of the first real leaf set

Day 21 (5/2-18) - Three week mark Third leaf set has started to grow on a few of them. They've been under the same condition since the start. Temperature about 27°C (80.6°F) and in constantly wet soil. At this point algea started to develop in the soil. I got worried about the algea and tried removing as much of it as I could. But I've heard since from a professional Kratom grower
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Grower said: If u have some algae at your kratom that's mean your kratom is in good condition.
I don't know if this is true or not

Day 27(11/2-18) During the past 6 days, they've mostly grown in height and I decided to replant a few of them as it had started to become a jungle in the pot
 
Day 30 (14/2-18) They survived being replanted

Day 40 (24/2-18) They're growing really quick. It's turned into a jungle in two of the pots again. Time to replant them again
   
Replanting at day 40 (24/2-18)
Pick out a few plants that are fairly large and that you'll be able to get hold of
 With the use of a small tool - in my case a tooth pick stick it underneath the plant you want to remove
 Pry it up carefully and lifting the plant on its' leaves - not the stem. The stem is incredibly weak. Quote:
Lose a leaf - sad but doesn't matter. Break a stem - sad and matter
 Somtimes you'll get an entire cluster of plants when trying to pick up one. What I do is that I seperate the largest from the group, repot it the new pot and stick the other ones back into the original pot. They're still tiny enough to stay in there.
 I found this one that seems to be a freak with only one top leaf. Don't know if it was born this way or if I ripped the leaf off.
 Best part - stick them into a new pot, making sure they got some space inbetween them.
 
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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: Micaele]
#25018415 - 02/24/18 12:24 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Thats is a very nice log. Should be useful for others trying out Mitragyna from seeds. Good work.
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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: Mateo]
#25018562 - 02/24/18 01:29 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Indeed. Excellent post Micale
And hell yeah Ferrel! Looks like the sun is shining hard in your neck of the woods keep us posted homie 
Heres my only krat w any leaves left. If you look close, you'll see a new tip emerging
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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: Lipa Kreepa]
#25018769 - 02/24/18 03:04 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Lipa Kreepa said: Indeed. Excellent post Micale
And hell yeah Ferrel! Looks like the sun is shining hard in your neck of the woods keep us posted homie 
Heres my only krat w any leaves left. If you look close, you'll see a new tip emerging

Looks good bro.
I dont think my rifat is gonna make it it. First harsh winter since i can remember. I cut it back to the stump. I willl monitor it closely.
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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: ferrel_human]
#25018861 - 02/24/18 03:51 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Rifat and bumble bee
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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: ferrel_human]
#25018982 - 02/24/18 04:38 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Dude this winter was a bitch. It was short on my end, but damn did it come in strong. I havent seen any new growth on my boys yet. That bumblebee is looking good though man looks like shes ready for the next round. As for the rifat, hang in there. As long as that bottom stump is still vascular it might be standing on a strong leg. Goodluck bro
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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: Lipa Kreepa]
#25018988 - 02/24/18 04:43 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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The bumbble bee is plagued with aphids right now. Still good but they suck. Been spraying with insecticidal soap. Seems to help but it has a ways tp go.
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