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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: pinedownpioneer]
    #24852427 - 12/17/17 06:58 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

The plant in that link bloomed in the Southern Hemisphere's Summer, if you were wondering.


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Put it in the ground, they loves it!





If it were an option my entire collection would be in the ground. :weirdeyes:    :sun:


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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: karode13]
    #24852933 - 12/18/17 01:09 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

I remember this thread Lipa, great read and awesome pics in there.
I also remember that new user posting that he had Maeng Da seeds available, I contacted him but he never got back to me

To you guys's knowledge is anyone in the community growing a horned species of kratom? There was one displayed in the viceland documentary in Thailand. Really wish I could get my hands on one of these.



We might need to organize an expedition to Indonesia to bring back many different genetics of kratom seeds and cuttings. Now we know kratom flowers in Autumn there, we know when to go. Now we just need to know where because Indonesia is vast.

If anyone has info on where exactly the kratom forests and farms are located in Indonesia I'd be interested.


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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: MeanGreen]
    #24853131 - 12/18/17 06:53 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

I bet I could get the hook up on if no about where it is and isnt. My company's home baseis in Thailand.


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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: pinedownpioneer]
    #24853626 - 12/18/17 12:24 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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I bet I could get the hook up on if no about where it is and isnt. My company's home baseis in Thailand.



Awesome! Well apparently in Thailand the only place left where kratom grows wild is at the very south, on the west-coast, near the Malaysian border in the Satun province (around the city of the same name). Most likely in the Thale Ban National Park.

Everywhere else the wild trees have been cut down either by the smugglers or by the government... And apparently the area of the national park where kratom grows is not friendly at all, complete with armed guards, homicides and spiked traps in the ground left by gangsters.

Some people grow their own trees in their backyard elsewhere but they're very secretive about it because of the policy on kratom there.

That's why I think Indonesia is the way to go. Apparently kratom doesn't grow in Borneo nor in Java so that reduces the perimeter a bit.


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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: MeanGreen]
    #24856911 - 12/20/17 02:30 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Hi guys.

My seedling is suffering from being indoors this winter. Some leaves are falling and new ones appear to be weaker and growth is drastically slowed down.

I harvest the fallen leaves since I have this plant and I'm left now with almost two grams of bone dry leaves.

Erowid states that two grams is a threshold. Mean green told me that three or four grams would be a dose for an opiate naive.

I just can't wait to try it :omgawesome:


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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: Argyreia]
    #24862031 - 12/22/17 12:17 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)


Rifat, bumble bee, pink indo in the blue pot.


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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: impaired420]
    #24862043 - 12/22/17 12:34 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

They are looking very healthy impaired420.


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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: Psilosion]
    #24863535 - 12/23/17 09:59 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: Argyreia]
    #24866450 - 12/24/17 06:35 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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Erowid states that two grams is a threshold. Mean green told me that three or four grams would be a dose for an opiate naive.

I just can't wait to try it :omgawesome:





If the leaf has decent potency, or about average compared to all the kratom I've ate over the years, 2g should be plenty for one that's opaite naive with zero tolerance.


I've been taking kratom more or less daily for over 5 years now....

...2g is still my standard dose (2 to 3 times a day), even after years it still works for me just fine at that dose :shrug: . 4g at once is almost too much for me. Anything beyond 5g is def too much for me and mostly dysphoric/uncomfortable. Around 1g is threshold for me.








Just found this thread....thought I'd post randomly mostly just to follow it. I'm curious to see how these trees grow for folks in different areas and follow the chit chat about it.


I haven't even skimmed through the thread yet...but I'm in northern California, about zone 9b (coldest nights of the year are usually in the upper 20s...but most nights are 35 to 45). Assuming this is far too cold for the tree to grow? The summers in my area are pretty damn hot with low humidity too (typical highs of 90 to 100, 100+ not uncommon).

I would love to grow this tree though, some lovely medicine it is :yesnod: .






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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: openmind]
    #24866758 - 12/24/17 09:27 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

I'm in the same boat as you open mind for dosing. I've been taking 2g-3g 3x daily for a few years now and works great for pain. Anything above 5g for me is no good.

I'm in zone 9a/b(with very high humidity) and my trees do just fine. Small ones need to be protected when it gets around freezing. We got snow the other week(rare). Several trees lost all their leafs but are still alive. Its apperant that a few of the small clones I have going are probably going to die. But for the most part they faired better than expected for not having any protection.

Also some varieties tolerate the cold better than others. Bumble bee and rifat tolerate cold better than my Green Malaysians.


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Re: Ok to transplant? [Re: pinedownpioneer]
    #24867704 - 12/25/17 12:51 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

So these things are so fragile I'm not sure what I should do. The two are too close together so I think it would be good to separate them but I don't want to kill them so I though I'd ask. They are not so small now but not that big either.



I'm also not sure about the red or browning at the tips of the leaves. This one in a different pot is all green.



Any advice is greatly appreciated.


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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: openmind]
    #24869088 - 12/26/17 10:00 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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Erowid states that two grams is a threshold. Mean green told me that three or four grams would be a dose for an opiate naive.

I just can't wait to try it :omgawesome:





If the leaf has decent potency, or about average compared to all the kratom I've ate over the years, 2g should be plenty for one that's opaite naive with zero tolerance.


I've been taking kratom more or less daily for over 5 years now....

...2g is still my standard dose (2 to 3 times a day), even after years it still works for me just fine at that dose :shrug: . 4g at once is almost too much for me. Anything beyond 5g is def too much for me and mostly dysphoric/uncomfortable. Around 1g is threshold for me.








Just found this thread....thought I'd post randomly mostly just to follow it. I'm curious to see how these trees grow for folks in different areas and follow the chit chat about it.


I haven't even skimmed through the thread yet...but I'm in northern California, about zone 9b (coldest nights of the year are usually in the upper 20s...but most nights are 35 to 45). Assuming this is far too cold for the tree to grow? The summers in my area are pretty damn hot with low humidity too (typical highs of 90 to 100, 100+ not uncommon).

I would love to grow this tree though, some lovely medicine it is :yesnod: .






-OM


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Ive been growing my in zone 8b climate, althought theyre inside right now.

You could grow them in your climate all year, but until the trees become more hardened youd probably not want it outdoors during winter.


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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: impaired420]
    #24871133 - 12/27/17 09:46 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

These tiny boys are about 2 months old.
They should probably develop their next set of leaves soon, right?


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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: Micaele]
    #24871591 - 12/27/17 01:42 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

I would very much like to have one (or a few) Kratom plant to grow in my home.
I used to have several some years ago.
I could buy myself a Kratom plant or a rooted cutting but i have to wait for spring and higher temps for that.

I read an old thread where it is said kratom seeds are viable quite long time and its not true that the seeds looses their viability so quickly.
This was news to me.
This got me going and i remembered i had a seedpod that was many years old in a box somewhere.
So i tried sow them just for fun knowing it is probably impossible to get this old seeds to sprout.
But then i figured that i might try get som fresh seeds, so i now have ordered some Kratom seeds from a vendor.
It´s probably a big chance the seeds bought from vendors arent viable but i can try for fun.
If is dont work i can always get some Kratom plants when the temp go up and it is always fun to try some seed sowing.


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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: Mateo]
    #24871632 - 12/27/17 02:12 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Ok. Before we get into a spelling bee its "lose their leaves" not "loose their leaves". I get so upset when my wife uses loose instead of lose.

Sorry guys. Ive seen this mistake lately and no,matter how much you correct someone they never like to,correct it


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Re: Ok to transplant? [Re: Shunyata]
    #24872125 - 12/27/17 06:20 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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So these things are so fragile I'm not sure what I should do. The two are too close together so I think it would be good to separate them but I don't want to kill them so I though I'd ask. They are not so small now but not that big either.



I'm also not sure about the red or browning at the tips of the leaves. This one in a different pot is all green.



Any advice is greatly appreciated.



Great looking seedlings :thumbsup:
You could try to separate them now, but be very gentle. The roots should already be pretty deep at this point. I would take a large spoon to try and lift the plants from below, then maybe rince the roots to see how you can untangle them.

You could also let them grow like this but I know from experience the smaller one will grow much slower and eventually be shaded by the bigger one.
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These tiny boys are about 2 months old.
They should probably develop their next set of leaves soon, right?




They seem a bit small for 2 months, what kind of lighting do they have and what temperature are they growing in?
They definitely look healthy though so no worries. How big are the pots? It could be they're focusing on making roots.

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Re: dosage, I definitely agree with you guys that 2 or 3 grams of commercial kratom could be enough for an opiate naive to feel something, depending on body weight. But keep in mind at least for those of us harvesting from seedlings that the alkaloid levels are probably a bit lower than older trees grown in their natural habitat.

I also feel like if you only were able to gather 2 grams so far it would be a shame to consume them only to be disappointed by the effects, that's why I recommended 4 grams. This way you can take 2 grams and if you feel you could go for a bit more you can eat the other 2.
I have a pretty big kratom habit though, so I might be biased. I'm around 15 to 18g daily these days, down from 30+ a few months ago.


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Re: Ok to transplant? [Re: MeanGreen]
    #24872911 - 12/28/17 08:23 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Bumble bee on the left Rifat on the right.


Seems like the bumblebee can take colder temps than the Rifat. My dear friend and o.p. of the thread confirmed this too and he lives in way colder temps than i do. His is still alive too.

Mitragyna hirsuta is delicate to those cold temps as well.


Currently 6 celcius or 44 fahrenheit here.


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Re: Ok to transplant? [Re: MeanGreen]
    #24873025 - 12/28/17 09:11 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

They're in fairly large plastic pots 2x2" inside a humidity dome standing on a heat mat. Temperature ~27°C & humidity fairly high. Perhaps it's too much water in the soil. As I've lost plenty of krat seedlings to drought, I tend to have the soil slightly above moist at all time


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    #24873123 - 12/28/17 09:52 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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They're in fairly large plastic pots 2x2" inside a humidity dome standing on a heat mat. Temperature ~27°C & humidity fairly high. Perhaps it's too much water in the soil. As I've lost plenty of krat seedlings to drought, I tend to have the soil slightly above moist at all time




Ive noticed too wet soil not to be a problem for kratom seedlings.

When i had west borneo seedlings they were in wet soil too. They because of too much moving around not because of wet soil. You should be okay Micaele.

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Re: Ok to transplant? [Re: ferrel_human]
    #24876344 - 12/29/17 03:35 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Got my M.Speciosa seedpods today..  :smile:
It was just a few days since i ordered them, fast delivery indeed.
I sowed probably 100 seeds or something similar as soon as i got them.
Now i just hope some germinates, it was Riafat strain.
Really looking forward to grow some Kratom again...

When i was at it, i sowed some T.Bridgesii, L.W. Casa Grande, L.W Hippolito and some  Ephedre Viridis.
Found some more seeds in the seedbox that i want grow also.
Piper Auturum, Acacia Confusa, Mimosa Hostillis, some poppy varietys.
But that i will do another day, now im so happy for the Mitragyna seeds...


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