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Re: Mitragyna Growers Unite! [Re: naum]
    #24107473 - 02/21/17 07:42 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

I have a couple of cubic meters of whole dried leaf from this years harvest sitting in cardboard boxes taking up a lot of space.

I'd love to hear some tips on storing and processing home harvested kratom leaf from anyone with significant experience, maybe some of our vendors who lurk in these parts with lots of experience. Worldseedsupply? Kadakuda?

What's best for long-term storage and/or ease of trade, whole vs. crushed vs. powdered? What type of container works best? For whole leaf, how tightly should I pack it, etc.


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Re: Mitragyna Growers Unite! [Re: naum]
    #24108184 - 02/21/17 12:35 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

Personally, I would just powder it all and a coffee grinder and then store it lightly packed in an airtight jar like a mason jar. Then bump it after a while to allow any build-up humidity to be released. How effective would you rate it?


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Re: Mitragyna Growers Unite! [Re: naum]
    #24108206 - 02/21/17 12:42 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

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I have a couple of cubic meters of whole dried leaf from this years harvest sitting in cardboard boxes taking up a lot of space.

I'd love to hear some tips on storing and processing home harvested kratom leaf from anyone with significant experience, maybe some of our vendors who lurk in these parts with lots of experience. Worldseedsupply? Kadakuda?

What's best for long-term storage and/or ease of trade, whole vs. crushed vs. powdered? What type of container works best? For whole leaf, how tightly should I pack it, etc.





If you have that much leaf, you may wanna try this... Get a paint bucket with a lid. Or just any bucket with a good lid. The round, multi gallon bucket from the hardware stores are the ones that I'm thinking of. Then get a piece of wire mesh, or plastic, rice burlap fabric, or even tin foil cupped up like a bowl... Then layer the bottom with an inch to an inch and a half of desiccant (damprid)... Lay whatever material, mentioned above, along the top of the desiccant. Then load up loosely the dried leaves. Put on the cap and store. When new leaves arise, dry them out in the air, or on the bookshelf or whatever, then when crispy, add to the bucket. Then when needed, blend and store as a powder in a vac sealed bag or jar for immediate use.

I've never harvested such a large amount of leaves, so that was More of a vision that any how to from person experience. I use this method in a quart cup with a lid and it works great. Once it fills up really good, to where I can't fit much more in there, I pour into coffee mill, ground it fine, and store in a mason jar. Works great.


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Re: Mitragyna Growers Unite! [Re: Lipa Kreepa]
    #24108223 - 02/21/17 12:51 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

Another thing to be careful of with too much humidity in an indoor grow space with kratom,is fungus gnats. They like to lay eggs in the soil bed and their larvae gnaws at the roots. They suck. If you are unfortunate enough to have them as a guest in your home, switch asap to a wet dry cycle, cut back or eliminate misting, and buy a fan to blow direclty over your garden. Once it dries out for the first time, let it go as long and you can w out hurting the plants... Then water and repeat. A weekly misting of BT and a separate batch of neem + other EO's will do you right :grin::thumbup: I also like to go a bit further and, once it starts to dry up, hit it with a good dusting of diatomacious earth.

Fungus gnats.
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Re: Mitragyna Growers Unite! [Re: Lipa Kreepa]
    #24110257 - 02/22/17 07:58 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

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Another thing to be careful of with too much humidity in an indoor grow space with kratom,is fungus gnats. They like to lay eggs in the soil bed and their larvae gnaws at the roots. They suck. If you are unfortunate enough to have them as a guest in your home, switch asap to a wet dry cycle, cut back or eliminate misting, and buy a fan to blow direclty over your garden. Once it dries out for the first time, let it go as long and you can w out hurting the plants... Then water and repeat. A weekly misting of BT and a separate batch of neem + other EO's will do you right :grin::thumbup: I also like to go a bit further and, once it starts to dry up, hit it with a good dusting of diatomacious earth.

Fungus gnats.
  :facepalm:





Mix 3 1/2 table spoons of Neem cake into a gallon of fresh water let in soak for a few hours minimum while shaking/mixing it up when ever you think about it but dont let it soak any more than 24 hours (or else it will start to ferment -Stinks!-) I let mine soak for 24 hours and water your plants with this kind of mixture for a couple to a few weeks depending how bad the fungus gnat infestation is or use as a soil drench for same amount of time and this kills the gnat larvae.

Scale these ratios up or down depending how much water your plants take.

I got this from a Youtube video and it works great.

The larvae are the real problem since they eat the roots so it vital you kill them!

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Re: Mitragyna Growers Unite! [Re: ThUmB pRiNt]
    #24110571 - 02/22/17 10:17 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

Nice tip... And yeah neem is stinky as is, I don't wanna think about it fermented :tongue: nice write up... Tho the only thing I'm confused about is the neem cake. What is that exactly? I've only used the golden oil


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Re: Mitragyna Growers Unite! [Re: Lipa Kreepa]
    #24110656 - 02/22/17 10:53 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

Yo :sun:



Humidity dome was making me have trouble handling and watering my baby. Furthermore, it was making these fucking gnats thrive.
So I decided to put some porous lava rocks top dressing to keep humidity high (they stay wet for more than a day, even with fans on !) and to discourage adult gnats going in the substrate. I have never had gnats thriving in pots where I put a 2-3 cm rock top dressing.

So what I'm gonna do now is stopping waterings until leaves will start to wilt because the soil is really really wet. I'll keep on misting the lava rocks once a day.

Anyways, new leaves are badly curled, as usual :banghead:


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Re: Mitragyna Growers Unite! [Re: Argyreia]
    #24110959 - 02/22/17 01:10 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

I'd go by the dryness of the soil more than anything. The good news is that those square pots dry up quick w a fan. I'd remove the rocks, and !et the fan do its thing. I wouldn't water until the top of the soil is drya d the weight of the container is much lighter. I wouldn't mist or anything. Plus some BT spray and so e EO spray alternating between treatments will help too. I'd start w BT and fan, then the next day or so hit it with EOs, then let it dry out. Wait until its lighter in weight and yes when leaves droop. No worries though man, you can literally watch them sprig back to being perky once watered. They're tough and can handle the dry spell. Then just repeat until they're gone. To check just dig up soil surface s little and look for the larvae. Which are small but def visible w a close inspection. E larvae only lives on the top two inches of soil, so that's a good thing.

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Re: Mitragyna Growers Unite! [Re: Lipa Kreepa]
    #24110983 - 02/22/17 01:21 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

I don't think the curled leaves and the gnats are linked. Anyways, I'll eradicate them and we'll see. I think my baby also needs real fucking sunlight and not these shitty CFLs.
I'll put it outdoors in april with no gnats and in a bigger pot with a nice soil and we'll see.


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Re: Mitragyna Growers Unite! [Re: Argyreia]
    #24112695 - 02/23/17 06:10 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

Naum, let us know if you figure out what to do with all of that leaf. I was faced with the same issue last Fall, and only ended up harvesting just a small amount of leaves. A coffee grinder obviously isn't going to do it. How did you go about drying that much? I laid mine out on large screens inside, I put some in cardboard boxes and put it in my car which I left out in the sun. Did you harvest throughout the year, or did you do it all at the end of the season? I did a little of both. I was planning on a big end of season harvest because I knew they would drop most of their leaves anyway, but scrapped that plan when I realized how much work it would be and how much space it would take.


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Re: Mitragyna Growers Unite! [Re: JizzMasterZero]
    #24114238 - 02/23/17 06:32 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

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How did you go about drying that much?



Just in cardboard bags/boxes inside with constant rotation. With the A/C and heat on in the winter, they dry out quite quick. Someone who was one of the earliest growers of kratom in the US and first forum experts told me about this method.

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Did you harvest throughout the year, or did you do it all at the end of the season?



I've been trying for flowers on my trees so I don't typically harvest throughout the year unless I happen to take a branch or branches for cloning purposes. I did it all at the end of the season this year after a sudden freeze came through. Woke up the next morning and harvested all of the leaf I could reach with a ladder while it was still green and they dried just fine that way. Picking all of them was a work out.

As for bulk preparation, I've found even a plate-style grinder will powder the leaf very well and allow one to seive out the stem. You can powder those separately. A commercial super high-speed blender works very well too. I sent a sample out to a kratom conniseur and will update with a report if I get one.


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Re: Mitragyna Growers Unite! [Re: Argyreia]
    #24118025 - 02/25/17 05:26 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)

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Nice tip... And yeah neem is stinky as is, I don't wanna think about it fermented :tongue: nice write up... Tho the only thing I'm confused about is the neem cake. What is that exactly? I've only used the golden oil




If Im not mistaken Neem Cake is the already pressed Neem seeds. (Neem oil is pressed out of the seeds)

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Yo :sun:



Humidity dome was making me have trouble handling and watering my baby. Furthermore, it was making these fucking gnats thrive.
So I decided to put some porous lava rocks top dressing to keep humidity high (they stay wet for more than a day, even with fans on !) and to discourage adult gnats going in the substrate. I have never had gnats thriving in pots where I put a 2-3 cm rock top dressing.

So what I'm gonna do now is stopping waterings until leaves will start to wilt because the soil is really really wet. I'll keep on misting the lava rocks once a day.

Anyways, new leaves are badly curled, as usual :banghead:



Quote:

Argyreia said:
I don't think the curled leaves and the gnats are linked. Anyways, I'll eradicate them and we'll see. I think my baby also needs real fucking sunlight and not these shitty CFLs.
I'll put it outdoors in april with no gnats and in a bigger pot with a nice soil and we'll see.




I think the curling leaves most likely are from the Fungus Gnat larvae because I had Fungus Gnat Larvae in my Sally D's really bad and the leave where curled and deformed then I did the Neem Cake remedy I mentioned above for a few waterings and now my Sally are beautiful as can be, no more deformed, curled or gnarled leaves.

Here it is one more time in case you missed it...

Mix 3 1/2 table spoons of Neem cake into a gallon of fresh water let in soak for a few hours minimum while shaking/mixing it up when ever you think about it but dont let it soak any more than 24 hours (or else it will start to ferment -Stinks!-) I let mine soak for 24 hours and water your plants with this kind of mixture for a couple to a few weeks depending how bad the fungus gnat infestation is or use as a soil drench for same amount of time and this kills the gnat larvae.

Scale these ratios up or down depending how much water your plants take.

I got this from a Youtube video and it works great.


Once you do this Im almost positive the baby will get better 10 fold.


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Re: Mitragyna Growers Unite! [Re: ThUmB pRiNt]
    #24118197 - 02/25/17 08:28 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah went out today and my bumblebee is belly up. Damn I had such high hopes for it. I think the lack of leaves did it in. Or maybe it was too cold for it. I don't know. Regardless it died. But my green Malaysian is awesome right now.


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Re: Mitragyna Growers Unite! [Re: ferrel_human]
    #24118286 - 02/25/17 09:07 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)

Mi green Malaysians are rocking, bumble bee is coming around, rifat is doing its thing. My bumble bee arrived last fall in terrible health but it's coming around after being cared for through these past couple months indoors.  The green malys really seem to outgrow all my others.


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    #24118601 - 02/25/17 11:26 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah the the green Malay is outgrowing the rest too. The rifats are still in shock I guess from the transplant but I trust they will be fine.


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Re: Mitragyna Growers Unite! [Re: ferrel_human]
    #24127790 - 03/01/17 05:45 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)

Heres a little porn before I re-potted them. The bigger one is a Rifat & the smaller on is BB.





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Re: Mitragyna Growers Unite! [Re: ThUmB pRiNt]
    #24139556 - 03/05/17 06:49 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

New leafset is huge and a nice nice green. But I just saw fungus gnats. What do I do.


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Re: Mitragyna Growers Unite! [Re: ThUmB pRiNt]
    #24139822 - 03/05/17 08:41 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

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Heres a little porn before I re-potted them. The bigger one is a Rifat & the smaller on is BB.








They look great man. Glad to see you got all the issues worked out. Meh, seems like I have over thought things. Me it happens.

Awesome stuff thumbprint .:grampofapproval:


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Re: Mitragyna Growers Unite! [Re: ThUmB pRiNt]
    #24140696 - 03/06/17 09:19 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)

Is it just me or do all or pretty much all krat plants main stems start to bow at some point?

Evey single one Ive had so far, which isnt many, have started bowing at some point, my first one is bowing drastically now, when I first got it it wasnt so bad but at that moment I thought it was just that plant so I left it alone but every plant since then has started to show signs of the same thing happening.

If you guys do experience this how do you guys counter the bowing?

Jizzmaster did you initially have this problem with that tree you posted that the main stem was just about as thick as a beer bottle? If so how did you fix the bend?

Please help me out fam I cant stand crooked plants specially when Im trying to grow them into huge trees.

Ive planted root balls pretty much sideways to try and counter this but they just keep bending in the wrong direction.

What you guys think?

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Re: Mitragyna Growers Unite! [Re: Plazmotech]
    #24140744 - 03/06/17 09:42 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)

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New leafset is huge and a nice nice green. But I just saw fungus gnats. What do I do.







Plazmotech check this out, I posted it before...




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Lipa Kreepa said:
Another thing to be careful of with too much humidity in an indoor grow space with kratom,is fungus gnats. They like to lay eggs in the soil bed and their larvae gnaws at the roots. They suck. If you are unfortunate enough to have them as a guest in your home, switch asap to a wet dry cycle, cut back or eliminate misting, and buy a fan to blow direclty over your garden. Once it dries out for the first time, let it go as long and you can w out hurting the plants... Then water and repeat. A weekly misting of BT and a separate batch of neem + other EO's will do you right :grin::thumbup: I also like to go a bit further and, once it starts to dry up, hit it with a good dusting of diatomacious earth.

Fungus gnats.
  :facepalm:





Mix 3 1/2 table spoons of Neem cake into a gallon of fresh water let in soak for a few hours minimum while shaking/mixing it up when ever you think about it but dont let it soak any more than 24 hours (or else it will start to ferment -Stinks!-) I let mine soak for 24 hours and water your plants with this kind of mixture for a couple to a few weeks depending how bad the fungus gnat infestation is or use as a soil drench for same amount of time and this kills the gnat larvae.

Scale these ratios up or down depending how much water your plants take.

I got this from a Youtube video and it works great.

The larvae are the real problem since they eat the roots so it vital you kill them!

Love, Light & Happy Trails






This completely took care of the problem for me.

As a preventative measure I also make sure to use a very well draining soil mixture.

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