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Plazmotech
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Re: Mitragyna Growers Unite! [Re: Argyreia]
#24066475 - 02/05/17 01:18 AM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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I think I'll try that. Maybe I'll make a mini RH chamber.
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Re: Mitragyna Growers Unite! [Re: Plazmotech]
#24069065 - 02/06/17 04:00 AM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Plazmo tech your good your Rifat doesnt need more humidity.
Post a picture so we can see it just to make sure.
I doubt it needs it though because it was good without a humidity chamber before you got it.
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Re: Mitragyna Growers Unite! [Re: ThUmB pRiNt]
#24083126 - 02/11/17 08:05 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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After much struggles, I decided to get rid of all the soil, wash the roots very well and transplant them into fresh soil.

Look at my poor bumblebee. No leaves at all. You all should see kactus brand's bumblebee. So much awe. His plant is absolutely gorgeous and growing so well.
I used ecoscraps potting soil. I used it on my green Malaysian Kratom and that one is doing rather well. Not great but good enough and growing. I am missing something and that something is a pH meter. I bought so much fertilizer at cheap prices, I think I went overboard on many of my plants.
Hope this helps me out. I was getting desperate.
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JizzMasterZero
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Spring is getting close, just don't throw out your plant if it looks dead. I've had some pitiful plants that I was sure were dead come back in the spring. Just have faith that next winter will be better when your plants are larger. Larger plants tolerate winter much better. If your Bumble Bee doesn't make it, I'm almost positive there will be some clones going around in June.
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My Rifat seems to be having trouble adjusting to the climate here, even kept indoors. I'm worried that the light levels aren't regular enough for it or something.
It's very bottom leafset is dry and crispy at the tips, something I've read is symptomatic of underwatering, but I give it like a cup or two of water almost every day in addition to misting daily. Is this enough water from a kratom plant this size or does it really need more?
I've been hesitant to pour cups and cups of water on it because as you can see in picture 2, the top-most leaf on the left is starting to curl slightly, and there's a very slight and sparse edge-browning on most of the leaves, which I've read is symptomatic of overwatering. It's companion leaf on the other side has some lightly crispy edges from sitting a little too close to my 35W fluorescent.
The very top of the growth tip is slightly brown and dry, not like the perfect green it was when I first saw it.
In comparison to some I've seen here, this plant appears healthy, but it's not as healthy as it was when I received it.

Yesterday I removed it from it's small 3x3 plastic pot, (the roots seemed a bit crowded,) and potted it with Fox Farms soil in a much larger pot. I also fed it with a diluted mix of liquid seaweed and bat guano, the same stuff my cannabis grower friend uses to make his plants so huge. My fingers are crossed that the feeding helps it bounce back.
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ferrel_human
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JizzMasterZero said: Spring is getting close, just don't throw out your plant if it looks dead. I've had some pitiful plants that I was sure were dead come back in the spring. Just have faith that next winter will be better when your plants are larger. Larger plants tolerate winter much better. If your Bumble Bee doesn't make it, I'm almost positive there will be some clones going around in June.
I'm confident it will come back to life. At the nodes there is tiny little growth. The soil change should have helped.
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WeAreMushroom said: My Rifat seems to be having trouble adjusting to the climate here, even kept indoors. I'm worried that the light levels aren't regular enough for it or something.
It's very bottom leafset is dry and crispy at the tips, something I've read is symptomatic of underwatering, but I give it like a cup or two of water almost every day in addition to misting daily. Is this enough water from a kratom plant this size or does it really need more?
I've been hesitant to pour cups and cups of water on it because as you can see in picture 2, the top-most leaf on the left is starting to curl slightly, and there's a very slight and sparse edge-browning on most of the leaves, which I've read is symptomatic of overwatering. It's companion leaf on the other side has some lightly crispy edges from sitting a little too close to my 35W fluorescent.
The very top of the growth tip is slightly brown and dry, not like the perfect green it was when I first saw it.
In comparison to some I've seen here, this plant appears healthy, but it's not as healthy as it was when I received it.

Yesterday I removed it from it's small 3x3 plastic pot, (the roots seemed a bit crowded,) and potted it with Fox Farms soil in a much larger pot. I also fed it with a diluted mix of liquid seaweed and bat guano, the same stuff my cannabis grower friend uses to make his plants so huge. My fingers are crossed that the feeding helps it bounce back.
It still looks good regardless. Watering it frequently is good but what screwed me was the water. Too much rain water. RO water is better. I like your plant man. It looks good. Way better looking than mine.
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Argyreia
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I don't think your kratom plant is thirsty.
When my baby was thirsty leaves were dehydrated. Yours look perfectly turgid.
Misting is useless. They need permanent high RH (around 90%) and fresh air. You may want to try putting it in a SGFC with a fan running in the same room. And don't take my words too seriously. It's just my experience as I raised a kratom baby from seed. It might be slightly different from cuttings. I do not know.
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Re: Mitragyna Growers Unite! [Re: Argyreia]
#24084804 - 02/12/17 01:06 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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The babies Freshly planted 
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ferrel_human
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Re: Mitragyna Growers Unite! [Re: Argyreia]
#24085758 - 02/12/17 07:03 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Argyreia said: They need permanent high RH (around 90%) and fresh air.
I don't totally agree with this. Yeah they need fresh air but can be in relative humidity. I live in Texas and summers are brutal here. I had my huge tree outside in the sun and in RH. It took well to over 38 Celsius.
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MadBotanist



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They do just fine in low humidity, it's definitely overblown how important it is.
Edited by MadBotanist (02/12/17 08:01 PM)
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ferrel_human
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Re: Mitragyna Growers Unite! [Re: MadBotanist]
#24085990 - 02/12/17 09:04 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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MadBotanist said: They do just fine in low humidity, it's definitely overblown how important it is.
Qft.
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Argyreia
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Just to show you how my baby reacted when I finally decided to put it in a humidity chamber :

The shitty looking set of leaves are when the baby was out of humidity. The new dark green lushy growth is when I started puting it in a humidity chamber.
The dark green part grew within a month but the other part grew in 6 months.
Now you could still say that they do fine in low humidity... I don't say for a big old mama tree but for little plants.
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Re: Mitragyna Growers Unite! [Re: Argyreia]
#24087680 - 02/13/17 04:28 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Wrird you should say because my west borneo seed grown were out in my texas humidity. I once thw seedlings were big enough i took that humidity dome right off. You have kept them in high humidity for too long as to replicate their natural environment, which they are not in. Good luck trying to ween them off that high humidty. Alls im saying man.
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Plazmotech
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Hey guys, just a little update on the weird bizarre red and purple plant! New leaf set starting to come out.

Some of you guys say it needs more humidity, some say it's fine. But it's not dead yet and I don't see any burning on the newer leaves so fuck it. I have also been watering with dilute Fox Farms Grow Big like once every two weeks even though some of you guys said not to, just cause it doesn't seem to be negatively affecting the plant in any way.
It is getting warmer now so maybe we'll see if the color is a result of the cold.
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Re: Mitragyna Growers Unite! [Re: Plazmotech]
#24089143 - 02/14/17 06:56 AM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Color is affected by the cold. My biggest plant stays outside or gets moved into garage on cold days/nights and it's color is different. But its still growing, no dormancy. Going to be a great spring
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ferrel_human said: Wrird you should say because my west borneo seed grown were out in my texas humidity. I once thw seedlings were big enough i took that humidity dome right off. You have kept them in high humidity for too long as to replicate their natural environment, which they are not in. Good luck trying to ween them off that high humidty. Alls im saying man.
Ya I agree.
IMO once they roots are developed enough the dome can come right off.

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Re: Mitragyna Growers Unite! [Re: ThUmB pRiNt]
#24104024 - 02/19/17 09:17 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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My mean green malaysian doing good.
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Ferrel...
Wait until spring bro. Krat bounces back, damn near every time. I dunno about most strains of krat, but bb is very sensitive to cold weather... Even just a few nights here and there. All my outdoor mothers are either fully leafless or damn near. I'm not sweating it tho, cuz I've seen it before and I remember how kind the spring can be nice Malay homie, that's def a strain I want for my collection una dia... And yeah man I've had similar issues w trying new ferts w krat. Seaweed damn near ruined my krat but my tobacco loved it its all in the learning process as Krat's a unique beauty.
And I'm w thumb on this... You don't need to go overboard w humidity. I have mine on a wet dry cycle and I haven't been misting much at all... They're all doing just fine. Krat is tolerant and it likes moisture yet it simply doesn't need to be on a slip and slide every day. It can tolerate hot dry heat Como un jefe... As long as it gets water when it needs it. In age you'll be very surprised how tolerant these plants can be.
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Re: Mitragyna Growers Unite! [Re: Lipa Kreepa]
#24107338 - 02/21/17 04:40 AM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Lipa Kreepa said: Ferrel...
Wait until spring bro. Krat bounces back, damn near every time. I dunno about most strains of krat, but bb is very sensitive to cold weather... Even just a few nights here and there. All my outdoor mothers are either fully leafless or damn near. I'm not sweating it tho, cuz I've seen it before and I remember how kind the spring can be nice Malay homie, that's def a strain I want for my collection una dia... And yeah man I've had similar issues w trying new ferts w krat. Seaweed damn near ruined my krat but my tobacco loved it its all in the learning process as Krat's a unique beauty.
And I'm w thumb on this... You don't need to go overboard w humidity. I have mine on a wet dry cycle and I haven't been misting much at all... They're all doing just fine. Krat is tolerant and it likes moisture yet it simply doesn't need to be on a slip and slide every day. It can tolerate hot dry heat Como un jefe... As long as it gets water when it needs it. In age you'll be very surprised how tolerant these plants can be.
Kratom. Tough as nails.

Mine like Fish Emulsions!
Hopefully that helps.
And a good thing is that the bottle only says to use it once every three weeks so you dont have to be on top of it. 
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Re: Mitragyna Growers Unite! [Re: ThUmB pRiNt]
#24107470 - 02/21/17 07:37 AM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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+1 on waiting until Spring/Summer are in full swing before making any drastic decisions. I've also had some very frozen and dead looking plants or stumps miraculously come back to life sometimes from a thicker trunk and sometimes from underneath the soil.
Too much humiditiy in the cooler months can be detrimental especially after a freeze because kratom is especially prone to rot then.
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