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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: Plazmotech]
#24004537 - 01/12/17 03:37 PM (7 years, 18 days ago) |
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Plazmotech said: Hey guys! If any of you use Reddit, I'd love to start a community at the Kratom Garden Subreddit. I just became a mod there, and we're trying to get a bit of content before releasing the subreddit to /r/Kratom. Lets see if we can get some growers there? 
That's a great idea man, I just subscribed. My username is the same as it is here
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Very noice arg, what strain is that?
Seeds were labelled as rifat strain.
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Re: Mitragyna Growers Unite! [Re: Argyreia]
#24006915 - 01/13/17 11:35 AM (7 years, 17 days ago) |
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Cool. It looks like something interesting with those wavy edges really cool amigo
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I dont know, this plant doesn't look amazing. Not sure what's wrong. I've added a 24 watt LED grow light by TaoTronics. It has very good reviews for the price, and I'm keeping it about 1 foot away from the top of the plant. I don't know if maybe the light is causing them to change colors? It looks like the very bottom leaves are a little sun-bleached but the new leaf does not look sun bleached at all. The middle set of leaves is just turning purple which is weird. The veins have definitely turned red. I think i've heard somewhere that the kratom veins turn red the more sun they're given? I also did give my plant one watering of Fox Farms Grow Big. I feel like it's started growing faster after that and the light.
Yeah all in all i don't know. The other leaves look terrible but the new leaves looks good despite the purple color. I don't think it could be a phosphorus deficiency because I gave my plant a good flush of pH'd water to get rid of any salts that could be blocking the roots and then watered with nutrients the next day. I've also been foliar feeding every once in a while with diluted nutrient water.
Idk tbh I've looked up everything I can and the only thing I can see on purple leaves is phosphorus deficiency
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Re: Mitragyna Growers Unite! [Re: Plazmotech]
#24008577 - 01/14/17 12:35 AM (7 years, 17 days ago) |
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Krat has a Tendency to push toward sporatic redding and even "purpling". The lower ones are bleached you say? Does it resemble chlorosis? Perhaps it just really needed that fertilizer you just gave it. How rootbound is it in the pot?
If the new growth looks good, it seems to be going at a good rate and theres no edge burning going on... You're prob in good shape. How tall is it... And how many leafsets are we talking here? Some of the OG leaves are lost in the rooting process and the early days. It can be pretty common. Red veins and purpling is just a part of growing kratom. Don't sweat it.
A pic would get the point across better than a sentence or two.
Back to the lighting... In never used that light or much LED, but I do have an bulb LED on top my Thai ATM... I also have a Spiral floro on the lower half of the plant. The floro section of the plant is blowing up good whereas the LED is going tortoise slow. I'm no expert but I'm leaning toward floro being a better light for my set up and will soon do away with the LED completely. That's just a thought and an observation, not a statement declaring that LEDs suck and won't work 
Best of luck to you.
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Mighty sexy Rifat you got there!
Wonder who you got it from...? 
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Re: Mitragyna Growers Unite! [Re: kingbovril]
#24010656 - 01/14/17 07:44 PM (7 years, 16 days ago) |
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You wouldnt be damaging it...
Take a cutting just under the second node from the top down and root that cutting, then you main shoot will sprout 2 shoots and youll have 2 plants. 
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Plazmotech said: I dont know, this plant doesn't look amazing. Not sure what's wrong. I've added a 24 watt LED grow light by TaoTronics. It has very good reviews for the price, and I'm keeping it about 1 foot away from the top of the plant. I don't know if maybe the light is causing them to change colors? It looks like the very bottom leaves are a little sun-bleached but the new leaf does not look sun bleached at all. The middle set of leaves is just turning purple which is weird. The veins have definitely turned red. I think i've heard somewhere that the kratom veins turn red the more sun they're given? I also did give my plant one watering of Fox Farms Grow Big. I feel like it's started growing faster after that and the light.
Yeah all in all i don't know. The other leaves look terrible but the new leaves looks good despite the purple color. I don't think it could be a phosphorus deficiency because I gave my plant a good flush of pH'd water to get rid of any salts that could be blocking the roots and then watered with nutrients the next day. I've also been foliar feeding every once in a while with diluted nutrient water.
Idk tbh I've looked up everything I can and the only thing I can see on purple leaves is phosphorus deficiency
I personally think your over babying it which is normal for a newbie papa.
I would flush the soil out a few times by slowly poring about..., a little less than half a gallon of fresh water through the soil to get rid of the excess ferts in there.
I think you fertilized it to much to soon, remember the soil I used is Fox Farm Ocean Forest and it already has ferts in it. Plus the cutting is extremely new. Those ferts are enough for a good while. You could still use ferts if you really wanted too but considering the plant is so young and the soil already has food in it you should have only used half or less, tops, of the concentration the bottle recommended.
Dont sweat the small stuff, those first few leaves really doent matter at all, theyll fall off before you know it.
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Lipa Kreepa said: Krat has a Tendency to push toward sporatic redding and even "purpling". The lower ones are bleached you say? Does it resemble chlorosis? Perhaps it just really needed that fertilizer you just gave it. How rootbound is it in the pot?
If the new growth looks good, it seems to be going at a good rate and theres no edge burning going on... You're prob in good shape. How tall is it... And how many leafsets are we talking here? Some of the OG leaves are lost in the rooting process and the early days. It can be pretty common. Red veins and purpling is just a part of growing kratom. Don't sweat it.
A pic would get the point across better than a sentence or two.
Back to the lighting... In never used that light or much LED, but I do have an bulb LED on top my Thai ATM... I also have a Spiral floro on the lower half of the plant. The floro section of the plant is blowing up good whereas the LED is going tortoise slow. I'm no expert but I'm leaning toward floro being a better light for my set up and will soon do away with the LED completely. That's just a thought and an observation, not a statement declaring that LEDs suck and won't work 
Best of luck to you.
Lipa his plant got sent out on the same day as yours and they are about the same size so its not root bound. I spoke to him through and we sorted out a couple other things he could do different. He was over caring for them then and Im 99.9% that he is over caring for them now. Its a great thing we're all here to help each other out. She Lipa your already used to growing these and that why you had no hick ups but he's a new papa bear so he's over concerned.
Plazmotech after you flush the ferts out of the soil try forgetting about Donny for 2 to 3 days at a time and just water it once the top layer of soil is dry and and youll see him get much better real quick!
If you want to repot him soon you can do it in a week or so but make sure the soil you put him in drains very well. I use Fox Farm Ocean Forest and I still add extra perlite to that.
Hope this helps.
And dont worry so much, soon youll be purposely neglecting (Tough Love!) Donny to toughen him up.
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Lipa Kreepa said: Krat has a Tendency to push toward sporatic redding and even "purpling". The lower ones are bleached you say? Does it resemble chlorosis? Perhaps it just really needed that fertilizer you just gave it. How rootbound is it in the pot?
If the new growth looks good, it seems to be going at a good rate and theres no edge burning going on... You're prob in good shape. How tall is it... And how many leafsets are we talking here? Some of the OG leaves are lost in the rooting process and the early days. It can be pretty common. Red veins and purpling is just a part of growing kratom. Don't sweat it.
A pic would get the point across better than a sentence or two.
Back to the lighting... In never used that light or much LED, but I do have an bulb LED on top my Thai ATM... I also have a Spiral floro on the lower half of the plant. The floro section of the plant is blowing up good whereas the LED is going tortoise slow. I'm no expert but I'm leaning toward floro being a better light for my set up and will soon do away with the LED completely. That's just a thought and an observation, not a statement declaring that LEDs suck and won't work 
Best of luck to you.
Does not look like chlorosis. As far as the roots go, I think they're still pretty small. They were just poking out of the rockwool when I transferred it from the plastic travel container it was in to the clay pot. He's still tiny, only about 6 inches, three leaf sets. And I did mean to post a picture, but I rambled on for so long I forgot!

See how the lower leaves look like absolute shit but the new leafset looks relatively fine besides the coloring? You can also see the sunbleached spot in the lower leaf in the back (out of focus). I might get a fluorescent too and use both, as I also have an orchid that needs more light…
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Yeah I've been giving him a little less attention recently since I got two mice and have been dedicating all my free time to taming them. But honestly his condition has deteriorated since he got here. It hasn't really gotten worse since I fertilized it like a week ago and the new leaf set is growing pretty damn fast (or at least I think, I don't have anything to compare it to). And yeah, when I repotted him I did Fox farms ocean forest with perlite. Check out the picture I posted in the last post and let me know what you think. Thanks for your help!
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Edited by Plazmotech (01/15/17 12:02 AM)
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Re: Mitragyna Growers Unite! [Re: Plazmotech]
#24011920 - 01/15/17 11:13 AM (7 years, 15 days ago) |
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Here are my babies.

still battling pH problems but I will in the coming months buy me a pH meter.
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ferrel_human said: Here are my babies.

still battling pH problems but I will in the coming months buy me a pH meter.
What kind of soil are you using?
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Re: Mitragyna Growers Unite! [Re: kingbovril]
#24012441 - 01/15/17 03:29 PM (7 years, 15 days ago) |
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Just coir and perlite but is over fertilized. And have not buffered the soil til just recently. It will get better buts gonna be slow going.
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Re: Mitragyna Growers Unite! [Re: Plazmotech]
#24013136 - 01/15/17 08:50 PM (7 years, 15 days ago) |
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Plazmotech said:
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Lipa Kreepa said: Krat has a Tendency to push toward sporatic redding and even "purpling". The lower ones are bleached you say? Does it resemble chlorosis? Perhaps it just really needed that fertilizer you just gave it. How rootbound is it in the pot?
If the new growth looks good, it seems to be going at a good rate and theres no edge burning going on... You're prob in good shape. How tall is it... And how many leafsets are we talking here? Some of the OG leaves are lost in the rooting process and the early days. It can be pretty common. Red veins and purpling is just a part of growing kratom. Don't sweat it.
A pic would get the point across better than a sentence or two.
Back to the lighting... In never used that light or much LED, but I do have an bulb LED on top my Thai ATM... I also have a Spiral floro on the lower half of the plant. The floro section of the plant is blowing up good whereas the LED is going tortoise slow. I'm no expert but I'm leaning toward floro being a better light for my set up and will soon do away with the LED completely. That's just a thought and an observation, not a statement declaring that LEDs suck and won't work 
Best of luck to you.
Does not look like chlorosis. As far as the roots go, I think they're still pretty small. They were just poking out of the rockwool when I transferred it from the plastic travel container it was in to the clay pot. He's still tiny, only about 6 inches, three leaf sets. And I did mean to post a picture, but I rambled on for so long I forgot!

See how the lower leaves look like absolute shit but the new leafset looks relatively fine besides the coloring? You can also see the sunbleached spot in the lower leaf in the back (out of focus). I might get a fluorescent too and use both, as I also have an orchid that needs more light…
Honestly that kratom plant looks fine to me. The lower leaves are a tad bit burned on the edges but it doesn't look bad. How cold does your grow spot tend to get?
Also how much have you fertilized him? I've had mine about a month, maybe not even, and havent fed once. The soil has been doing its job nicely and the plant hasn't asked for food yet
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The leaves were already burned when I got them, and they haven't burned any more under my supervision (if they have, it's been very little). I only fertilized once because I thought that the purple was a sign of phosphorus deficiency. Occasionally I give it a foliar feed of a very dilute solution of fertilizer. I keep him indoors, so at the coldest it gets around 17ºC at night. I'm glad that you said it looks fine, I cant find any photos on the internet of a plant that purple.
Edit: actually now that I think about it it did burn a bit while I had it. But more dramatically the bottom leafset got sunbleached I think, from having it in close proximity to my grow light.
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Edited by Plazmotech (01/16/17 10:52 PM)
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I was inspecting my garden because Ive been seeing mealy bugs in all my plants and I saw bugs flying out of the dirt on one of my sallys.
Im assuming theyre fungus gnats because they came from the soil.
Ive seen people use some stuff I think was called mosquito bits or something like that to kill the gnats larva.
Do you guys know if this stuff harms the beneficial microbes in the soil?
Also how do you guys get rid of and prevent mealy bugs from getting in your gardens?
I was just picking them off when ever I saw them and things were looking better for a little but now Im seeing them more.
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I don't know about that pest bro, sorry. Good luck with that 
my Thai gave me a scare this morning.I went to check on it and saw that a few of the leaves were cupped and strangely Burned on its edges it wasnt dry or ligh burned looking where it was brown and crispy. it Was just a few leaves tho and I'm thinking it was one of three thongs: that I put a fan on it for the first time, that I changed the light to something stronger or that I was working with some vinegar to do some heavy cleaning in that area. So I dunno. Stopped the fan, raised the light a few Inches and obviously next time I clean like that, I'll move it somewhere not ridden with a cloud of acid live and learn ehh? I'm just hoping its just from that stuff and not the start of a wave of despair :yikes:
The aftermath...

Still looking okay but it was quite the hit...
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Did anyone ever figure out what red spots on the leaves is and how to fight it?
2 Of my plants were doing just fine and now Im seeing these red spots popping up.
Someone else on here posted some pics that looked the same and I also posted pics of the small Rifat with the same condition.
What scares me is that I got my first 3 from the same person and the Rifat came with those spots on the leaves and that plant never grew anymore than when I got it and a set of leaves came out healthy once and they later got covered in those dreaded spots.
Now the 2 bigger plants are showing the symptoms. FUDGE!!!!
Help Please!!!
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I see em on all the krat plants I've grown. Dont know what causes them, but im leaning toward it being just a characteristic of the species more than a symptom of sickness. They've never seemed to cause any harm. I'm thinking maybe its from environmental conditions changing... But that's just a guess. Cooler temps seem to cause it I've noticed... But in warmer climates I've seen in them come about too... So I dunno...
Kratom herpes?
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Honestly now my plant is just fucking with me. All three leafsets are completely different colors. One's a pale green, the other is a vibrant purple, and the last is like a pale white purple. Wtf
I mean look at how purple that shit is. Unbelievable tbh. Still haven't figured out what I'm doing wrong.
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