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Lipa Kreepa
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The one I described does just that. Its just a normal lamp with a regular plug and the bulb screws on like an incandescent lightbulb. Its really cheap and easy.
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Re: Mitragyna Growers Unite! [Re: Lipa Kreepa] 1
#23855457 - 11/21/16 07:50 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Mitragyna Growers Unite! [Re: TheTortoise]
#23856138 - 11/22/16 01:36 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Lipa Kreepa
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Damn tortoise, that's what's up. Beautiful brother 
  
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Re: Mitragyna Growers Unite! [Re: TheTortoise]
#23856304 - 11/22/16 05:08 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Mitragyna Growers Unite! [Re: TheTortoise]
#23858816 - 11/22/16 09:25 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Mitragyna Growers Unite! [Re: ThUmB pRiNt]
#23859092 - 11/22/16 11:43 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hey tortoise what strain Are those trees?
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Re: Mitragyna Growers Unite! [Re: Lipa Kreepa]
#23859646 - 11/23/16 06:35 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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First one is Rifat and the other is Axis of Evil (AOE)
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Re: Mitragyna Growers Unite! [Re: TheTortoise]
#23859694 - 11/23/16 07:06 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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TheTortoise said: ....and the other is Axis of Evil (AOE)
Nevwr heard of it. Is it a seed grown?
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TheTortoise

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I had forgotten the origin so I had to dig this up. Thanks to naum for the historical infoQuote:
naum said: AOE = Axis of Evil / axisofevil.
It's named after a ethno-focused forum member who grew it from seed from "red vein thai" seeds sold by h*v*ly ext*r*ts circa 2006. The seedling was gifted/traded to the man responsible for propagating the majority of the clones in the US sold by vendors at the time. A fair amount of the RVT that got passed through that channel may actually be AOE.
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Re: Mitragyna Growers Unite! [Re: TheTortoise]
#23868756 - 11/26/16 11:51 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
TheTortoise said: I had forgotten the origin so I had to dig this up. Thanks to naum for the historical infoQuote:
naum said: AOE = Axis of Evil / axisofevil.
It's named after a ethno-focused forum member who grew it from seed from "red vein thai" seeds sold by h*v*ly ext*r*ts circa 2006. The seedling was gifted/traded to the man responsible for propagating the majority of the clones in the US sold by vendors at the time. A fair amount of the RVT that got passed through that channel may actually be AOE.
There's a Youtube video of a guy showing off and describing the different traits between all the different kratm strains and he has a AOE RVT. But the one in the video has really dark/redish leaves, on top and on the underside of the leaves.
But on different videos only the undersides of the leaves are all red.
Which of the 2 do your plants resemble more?
I cant really tell from the pictures.
Great trees though!
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Re: Mitragyna Growers Unite! [Re: ThUmB pRiNt]
#23869554 - 11/26/16 04:23 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Right on tortoise. I've heard of the AOE RVT before, mostly from the guy in those utoob videos. Don't know much about it otherwise. Had no idea that's what it stood for either, pretty funny 
Well again, beautiful trees brother man
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Re: Mitragyna Growers Unite! [Re: ThUmB pRiNt]
#23870618 - 11/26/16 09:46 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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To answer your question I'll first drop this golden information from kada.Quote:
kadakuda said: the many varieties sold dry on webshops are almost always not varieties but different processing types, or at best different locales. the species is all over SE Asia, i collect plants from many different countries and one thing i can say with absolute fact is that all countries produce all color forms. often we see "XYZ color" vein. vein color is variable and surely there is some dominance to pigments in certain plants but all countries produce all color veins. i have plants that produce all the vein colors on a single plant at the same time, its nothing strange. I have said it before but i dont think people want to hear it cause it makes less money, but there is a very important difference in processed material variation compared to plant variation. for example i can make easily 6+ different types of very good quality kratom that people claim to have different effects from a single plant. this is dried product variation. that is to say all the vein color types you see can come from a single plant and is simply an age, environment, weather, or harvesting difference. It is a real different but it is certainly *not* a different variety of plant. Then we see the different locales, ie borneo, thai, malaysia etc. these too are important factors, but perhaps mostly for their relation to cultivation not so much use. as thai and borneo, for example, can be exactly the same in effect and also be miles apart, its about harvesting and the specific area. Borneo is huge, and i have collected plants there. Thailand the same. they both overlap in effects and environmental conditions etc. there are so many variables so its hard to really nail down until real lab test depict honest collections, which is very hard to do believe it or not...too much $ in it. the kratom "industry" is so flawed mostly because its based on unreliable bioassay type shit which no one can confirm in any kind of reliable manner. so i would argue the best way is to buy from a single source you like because it is more likely to stay consistent (note it often changes from stores to whomever sells it cheaper at acceptable quality). My main trees, which are all clones, are different effects due to geographic location. meaning on my farm here in the south they have a far different feeling (according to bioassay, again not at all reliable) than the exact same plants of same age grown in east and northern locations. Could be a million differnet reasons as soil, temperature, humidity, UV, rain, accompanying flora/fauna/mycoflora, + a billion other factors.
I guess if anyone wants to really focus on breeding quality, we must first get the chemicals needed right, and have an affordable way to test for said chemicals because its only the farmers and/or harvesters which have the access to get the material for selection. Same as every other bio product available, just kratom is not very popular compared to things like coffee, mangoes, pork or weed....
in the end with niche products which have a relatively low usage level, like kratom, the best bet is to have a farmer/grower that is sticking to his own land to select because then we can at least narrow down some of the variables as the climate/weather/soil etc will be fairly similar. comparing 1000 square km over there to 1000 square km over here is going to be fairly useless for finding any kind of facts, in this regard its more of a marketing/popularity contest it seems. This is where good vendors, who do not constantly change suppliers on alibaba (or whatever) are probably worth theior weight in gold, because there is at least some kind of consistency with their product.
as for plants themselves, i'm unaware of any true varieties, just marketing schemes. perhaps the horned type could qualify, but i have seen many a plant go horned and revert back and forth fairly commonly. so maybe a strictly horned type that never reverts could be described by someone. but then i find it interesting how many locale types of kratom also have a horned variant...this kind of points out the obvious that its a common trait amongst the species, not a separate variety. anyway, this discussion comes up a lot among various different plants species, its not unique to kratom. vegetable/fruit production is famous for it. people on this site might be more familiar with the term "pollen chucker" with weed and how every seed grown plant is unique, but doesnt qualify as a variety. we can use this mind set in kratom, just cause a person grows a unique seed grown plant, doesnt make it any more special until they have the lab results to prove it.
Looking at the video the guy is comparing two small clones. I bet if he planted them in the ground and let them both grow up they'd be much more hard to tell apart, but that's just my thought.
Vein color is so variable even with a particular clone from season to season
The differences between Rifat and aoe that I have noticed are
Fresh Rifat leaves feel thinner when rubbed between your fingers (but this could be because it's in much more shade)
AOE gets horned leaves like this
 Especially once it grew over 7 feet tall. The new growth all has slight "horns" And I've yet to see the Rifat do the same although it might when it's older?
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Lipa Kreepa
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Re: Mitragyna Growers Unite! [Re: TheTortoise]
#23871443 - 11/27/16 09:30 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Excellent read
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Re: Mitragyna Growers Unite! [Re: Lipa Kreepa]
#23871469 - 11/27/16 09:40 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I gotta ask... What do you like to feed your babies? They're trees so idk how hungry they every really get (never had a cool tree of my own... Well nothing that size... Just a couple feet tall)... And if you don't feed em now, how about in the past? I know I don't feed my plants enough and am still on quest to find a couple good food sources for them. Thanks to a few awesome members here I'm starting to see the world of used coffee grounds... But not yet on my krat trees. I guess you could say I'm doing some practice runs with some other plants ATM right now. I normally use the liquid organic stuff like the earthjuice brand. You're plants look super healthy, so again I gotta ask
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Re: Mitragyna Growers Unite! [Re: Lipa Kreepa]
#23871573 - 11/27/16 10:25 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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In containers/pots they get root bound really quick. So potting up with fresh soil was their main feeding.
I had the AOE in a big 25-30 US gal pot and within one growing season it had filled out the pot with roots and stalled out on growth and the leaves were starting to yellow.
A generous heaping (several large handfuls) of used coffee grounds, top dressed, gave it a new flush of growth and the dark green color returned within a few weeks. Coffee grounds are great. I can get big trash bags of the stuff from coffee shop near me. Sometimes I don't even ask and I'll just raid their dumpster
Compost, fish emulsion, guano, worm castings, coffee grounds, chicken manure - any of those will be much appreciated by kratom. But I usually only feed when it looks like it really needs it.
Now that they are in the ground they don't need me to bring them food but I still pile horse manure at their bases when I can get some
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Re: Mitragyna Growers Unite! [Re: TheTortoise]
#23872689 - 11/27/16 04:35 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Let me start by saying I love this thread and appreciate everyone's continual contributions!
My first post was a few weeks ago regarding a small rooted clone that snapped in half during shipment; I got some extremely helpful replies (THANK YOU Lipa Kreepa and ferrel_human). I tried to save the top and bottom halves. It took me two tries to get the top stable; my first try ended up rotting 1cm worth above the cut, so I cut it again, dipped in Clonex, stuck in Rockwool, set it next to pond fogger, and placed it under a 150 watt equivalent led light. The stem is now bulging with white "pre-roots" (I think)...! Sadly the bottom half deceased.
Here's the before and now, not great but better than dead!

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Re: Mitragyna Growers Unite! [Re: TheTortoise]
#23872699 - 11/27/16 04:38 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Tortoise, your share is awesome!
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Re: Mitragyna Growers Unite! [Re: Dr. Plant]
#23872760 - 11/27/16 05:00 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Anyone have any thoughts on what may be causing chlorosis, plus other problems? This is a hydroponic grow btw. Does this look like:
PH starts at 6, but shoots to 7,8 within a few days. Temps are 68-75, indoors only. In front of south facing window, supplemented with 150 equivalent, full spectrum LED General Hydro 3 part nutrients. PPM starts at 250, but increases to 450 during the week. Hydroton with a handful of perlite. Hydro constant drip.
I've done some research and I'm thinking my ph may be too high. But what's weird is that out of three strains in the same conditions, one plant is doing great, but two look sad, but sad in different ways???
Pic 1 plant below, (named Captain) seems to be doing great in these enviro!

Pic 2 plant below, (named Crunch) is brittle and crunchy. More water, too much light, to little?

Pic 3 plant below, (named Spoon) looks like it has nute burn marks, but that doesn't make sense with the ppm being 400 or less?

Or maybe all of this is due to too low of nutrients/ppm and they're just hungry... I was just starting low as they're young.
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Re: Mitragyna Growers Unite! [Re: Dr. Plant]
#23873244 - 11/27/16 07:57 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I dont know too much but in my opinion the third plant doesnt look too bad at all.
The 2 new leaves look pretty healthy.
If I were you I would pick off the 2 first leaves (the unhealthy ones) so that the plant doesnt use up so much energy trying save the unhealthy leaves.
Thats just , I always pic off unhealthy leaves.
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